Supernatural Hotel [Finished]

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GmK

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Sorry notty, I am not buying it. I am not convinced at all by your arguments why your plan is pro town and not quite anti-town in many ways (as explained above). And the explanations that followed, after I have confronted you, are getting quite a wild mix of "I just need to say something".

From my side, even if not sure if third party or scum, you tell quite strongly anti-town.

For now:

vote Nottykitten
 

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Okay well if the cop outs, I say that they tell us who they are going to investigate BEFORE they night they do it, so that if they die during the night, we have an idea of who the siren POSSIBLY could be. This has one flaw, they could have been killed by mafia (if doc doesn't protect them) and therefore the person that they investigated might be simply innocent.
 

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Sorry notty, I am not buying it. I am not convinced at all by your arguments why your plan is pro town and not quite anti-town in many ways (as explained above). And the explanations that followed, after I have confronted you, are getting quite a wild mix of "I just need to say something".

From my side, even if not sure if third party or scum, you tell quite strongly anti-town.

For now:

vote Nottykitten
You might not buy it, but I just made 4 people proven town. Even if I were mafia, in my eyes I still don't see why that is so bad.
 

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Also i'd like to add to my statement:
I am against the idea of Lynching random people untill we just get a Anti-Town lynched, There is no point, We'll be killing off innocents, Also there is the risk of losing an important person. Now this may sound farfetched but what if we accidentally Lynch our leftover cop, Or our Doctor, Or the SWAT? They're all 3 important roles. Just random lynching Townspeople would minimize our chances of winning, Not maximizing.
 

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Whoah whoah whoah.

Cop should 'not' investigate one of the guests. That's a complete waste of time, you can find if you are sane or insane through a more efficient way. If you investigate 3 people and they all turn up guilty, assume you are innocent and vice versa. If you want to out, investigate one of the innocents on the night BEFORE you out.

I just woke up so I skimmed over a lot of stuff. I had a vague FOS on notty based on how much power you had and the suggestions you made(making the cop investigate a confirmed inno next night/no lynching), but this really rang warning bells for me.

You might not buy it, but I just made 4 people proven town. Even if I were mafia, in my eyes I still don't see why that is so bad.
Completely not something I would ever imagine town nottykitten to say. There's obvious anti town motives to having everyone say if they are a PR or not. I'm not going to argue if the good outweight the bad on everyone claiming or not, but you are ignoring the bad parts like they are nonexistent. I feel like you have a lot of power right now, and you're trying to avoid the subject to keep that power in your hands.

I want to look this over a bit later, but my vote will probably be on notty.
 

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I'm gonna reply to the Mafia vs. Supernatural dilemma first: the Supernaturals pose little to no threat to us at this moment. The Siren has a very low chance of getting someone and even so, that someone can be another scum role. The Ghost wins with the town or when lynched. The Alien has lots of players to probe, so until later in the game, he's no threat to us either. That means we should focus on finding the mafia right now.

That said, I return to my FoS of notty. While he did manage to calm down my scumradar for a little while, although not completely, the arguments that GmK and myuser posted right after my last post bring up some damn good points.

Notty, in addition to the fact that you voted No Lynch, which in my eyes practically says "scum right here", you have been very eager to show us all the good things you've done for the town so far and how we won't really be losing anything because if the SWAT officer. And while I admit, the claiming idea was pretty good and will help the town a lot, it will also help the scum a lot. See, in Mafia there is no black or white, there's only grey. You can say you did it for the good of the town, but it's as possible that you did it for the good of some other faction.

The No Lynch will waste an opportunity that we could use to either narrow down the suspect list or get rid of some scum roles. And while I admit, lynching "in the dark" (although we have a pretty good level of suspicion going already) sounds pretty cruel, it works. Some town PRs will die, no matter what we do. The least we could do is give them a chance to defend themselves and perhaps narrow down the suspect list even more, so we'd have even better chances the next day.

You say that giving the town 4 confirmed would be pretty bad for the mafia, so you possibly couldn't be mafia. But you also gave the mafia a list of all the power roles, basically a kill list. And by saying you did something that's really bad for the mafia, you can also be trying to take down your own suspicion level, even if not for now, but for later in the game.

Right now, you've done a lot good for both the town and the scum, but I get the feeling that you're more likely to be scum than town. The best lies are the ones wrapped in truth and I'm sure that as an experienced player, you'd be willing to damage your own chances to improve your own chances, if that sentence makes any sense.

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Right now, you've done a lot good for both the town and the scum, but I get the feeling that you're more likely to be scum than town. The best lies are the ones wrapped in truth and I'm sure that as an experienced player, you'd be willing to damage your own chances to improve your own chances, if that sentence makes any sense.

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It does make sense, and I would in fact do that. I can't really argue that except me saying I didn't do it.

I'm not ignoring the fact that this gives the mafia a kill list, but I am saying that having 4 confirmed inno's is worth that.
 

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It does make sense, and I would in fact do that. I can't really argue that except me saying I didn't do it.

I'm not ignoring the fact that this gives the mafia a kill list, but I am saying that having 4 confirmed inno's is worth that.
But is it? What good can we really do? We cant win without the PR's anyway.
I dont think notty is mafia. But I dont think notty's town either
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But is it? What good can we really do? We cant win without the PR's anyway.
I dont think notty is mafia. But I dont think notty's town either
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The good is, the more proven people there are, the more chance we have of finding a mafia during the day. In fact during the late-game this can become really handy. I don't really know how to explain it well =S
 

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Actually, the mafia isnt really affected that much. They would want to get rid of confirmed so town has fewer people to trust, but they also need to get rid of PRs to win. I dont expect this to change the mafias tactics.
There was something else I wanted to say but I forgot it.
I am NOT defending notty with this post
 

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Actually, the mafia isnt really affected that much. They would want to get rid of confirmed so town has fewer people to trust, but they also need to get rid of PRs to win. I dont expect this to change the mafias tactics.
There was something else I wanted to say but I forgot it.
I am NOT defending notty with this post
If they get rid of the confirmed town: The PR's stay alive.
If they get rid of the PR's: Less suspects during the day, leads to a bigger chance the mafia gets lynched since the mafia is hiding in the group of PR's.
 

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While notty's plan did give us four proven innocents, it also tells the mafia who they can wait to kill. The 4 regular citizens really pose no threat during the night, can't investigate/kill/etc. So now mafia can save them for last, and take out all of the Power roles/Supernatural.

Notty's plan also gave her a lot of power, and I really do not think it is safe for one person to have so much power over the rest.

So,

Vote NottyKitten
 
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