Trouble in the West: Pirates vs Cowboys [Finished]

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Alisha

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Vote Count Cuatro - Just a couple unvotes, but I'm a good person, so I'll do it as requested

Swate (3) - endersteve5, Samlen, HypeBurst[7 to lynch]
Old_Man_Oak_63 (5) - GmK, Sploorky, Duffie, Swate, Fiestaguy[5 to lynch]
GmK (1) - Old_Man_Oak_63[9 to lynch]
 

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Interesting turn of events. I'm still holding out on my suspicions and vote for now until I see what else happens with oak, otherwise, I'll decide after oak's 2nd/3rd posts where my suspicions have shifted or if they've shifted at all.
 

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You can offer your opinion on the current situation. What do you think about Swate, Fiesta or OMO?
Oh, sorry, was gonna bring it up. xD
Kind of addicted to Mabi.

Swate:
I feel as if Swate's just got a knack for saying the wrong things at the wrong time. As he said himself, it's as if everyone gangs up on him every time he opens his mouth... And, well, that's his fault.

I think Swate's probably innocent, even if he says the things he says. But, if he keeps it up, I doubt many will find him innocent for long.


Fiestaguy:
I feel as if Fiestaguy's in the same shoes as Swate, only he makes worse word choices. His wanting to know whether someone had an item or not was suspicious, but I feel as if he was just trying to add onto what Jivvi had already requested, which the sole purpose of that was to find out if this game is item-based or not.

I think Fiestaguy is innocent, even more than Swate, honestly. He just seems like the kind of guy who would slip on banana peels, whether for comical effect, or because he's clumsy.

Old_Man_Oak_64:
Well, I can honestly say I'm 50/50 with Oak here. Personally, when I first saw his "slip up" back in Day 0 about pirate chat, I didn't think anything of it. Of course, being the overly-trusting person I am, I looked over the people pointing fingers at him about it, and I thought it made sense... But, now, I can't really be sure.

I didn't believe you when you said that you proclaimed things in Day 0 because of a plan you had kept to yourself. I don't want to say I bandwagon voted, as I honestly felt I had reason to vote... But, I also kind of felt pressured, considering I don't usually vote. It's hard to when you trust most everyone.

So, in the end... I trust Oak more than Fiestaguy, to say the least. I believe he could be innocent, but... Well, I think I'm just a terrible detective. ;n;

~

... In the end, I feel like I just don't know, really. After looking it over, as I previously stated, I'm just gonna back off for now. Sorry, Oak, I'm too weak. :<

I'm gonna go back to my usual routine of only voting when I absolutely think they're evil. I may not vote often, but I'm definitely here, listening... As for my talking, sorry if I'm too quiet. xD

Anyway, removing my vote from Oak. I really hope you're on our side, dood. >, <

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I can certainly alleviate a lot of stress on you now Oak, thanks for confronting us finally, but I'm still gonna keep my vote on you for now. I don't know if unvoting *just like that* is such a wise idea, one of my problems is I vote and unvote too easily and I jump all over the place.
 

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I can certainly alleviate a lot of stress on you now Oak, thanks for confronting us finally, but I'm still gonna keep my vote on you for now. I don't know if unvoting *just like that* is such a wise idea, one of my problems is I vote and unvote too easily and I jump all over the place.
There's a difference between unvoting in order to vote someone else, and unvoting because solid evidence has been provided ;)
 

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Alright so this post will be talking about other people who I find suspicious, but either don't have the same concrete evidence to vote for and is mostly based on assumption.

So quite obviously this post goes out to answer who I might feel to be a pirate along with GmK.
The first person on this list is Sploorky, he has made it clear that he doesn't trust me, normally I would be fine with that, but many of his posts have been in an attempt to start a bandwagon, which for two days now have nearly succeeded, I still believe that some people are correct about Day 0, in that the pirates did not know who each other were. It's probably the reason why I was never lynched in Day 0 since the pirates couldn't effectively bandwagon me then without complete knowledge of who their partners were. It would also explain the small banter the two of them had in Day 0, you can find this on page 12 I think, it was stretched out between 2 or 3 posts somewhere in that region. No such banter has occurred between them this day, although all focus has been on the bandwagon on myself.

By this sort of networking, my next suspect must lead me to swate, Sploorky made a post about him and I will quote it now:
POST #558 Page 23
Eh, I'm not sure about Swate. His actions are suspicious, but he doesn't really give off mafia vibes imo. I'll consider it.
END OF QUOTE

It's not much, but its the sort of short post I see Sploorky use a lot to try and defend other pirates/mafia I know playstyle should never be used as concrete evidence, but to me it certainly suggests that the possibility is there. There are a lot of other arguments that also seem to argue swate is guilty, but I honestly havent read too much into those. It's a small suspicion, but a suspicion nonetheless.

Alright so here is one that has been really grinding my gears: Fiestaguy. I'm not sure what he is up to, but its driving me up the wall.
POST #600 Page 24
Also. With my vote You're at L-2. Think hard about claiming OMO
END OF QUOTE
POST #638 Page 26

I've seen @Old_Man_Oak_63 watch this thread multiple times. We're still waiting for your claim.
END OF QUOTE
POST #647 Page 26

And Jivvs. It just happened that log came to mind since we're waiting for OMO's goddamn claim.
END OF QUOTE

I'll claim when I am bloody well good and ready and NOT BEFOREHAND, I'm not sure why you need to know my role SO BADLY, however ansoro made a point somewhere along the line, that you seemed to have a need to gather as much information as you can. I can agree with him on that, whether that is dangerous to the town I have yet to conclude. However something else now comes to mind as well, if I recall GmK had an argument against you that he seemed very sure of, where the heck did that go in that transition of Day 0 to Day 1, you could also be a potential suspect.

I think thats about it for now.
 

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.....I always anticipate people's posts....yet never know how to respond...
Last game I got called out at one point for "a lot of posts with very little content"...but now I almost feel like if I don't respond, I'll be called out for lurking....Why can't I find a bloody balance?! >n<

On a note actually related to the game, I'll post what I think about various players.

Fiesta: He keeps trying to get information that doesn't need to be revealed. First it was items. Then it was inn members (Digi also requested a list because she "felt a theory coming on"). Then there's his pressuring OMO to claim.

Oak: It may be that I'm too trusting of long posts, but I don't really feel any suspicion on OMO anymore...I mean, all he really did was say tat the pirates didn't know who each other were...I just kind of jumped on the bandwagon :s

GmK: Myeeehhhhhhh.....I'm lazy, just look at OMO's Infamous "Post One"

Swate:

I've lost my train of thought at this point....It's nearly midnight....I find Swate suspicious....I'm just too tired to write it down, basically the same thing for GmK ;-;
 

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I'll put my view on your 2 posts, oak. The fact that you've spent the time to come up with these arguments and your evidence show that you weren't just being idle, as it initially seemed. You seemed to have had some sort of plan that, from what it looks like, worked to some extent. On the other hand, you could be pulling this out of nowhere just to make it look like you've known what you were doing all along. Whether your plans are town or nefarious, you seem closer to town for now, and I'm certainly not going to vote for you until any stronger/reasonable arguments come out pointing out something I've missed. I doubt that I'll change my vote at all, though I find your posts interesting and I've made a note of them for sure.
 

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The discussion does seem to be getting a bit stagnant and I'm at a loss as to what to do. I don't trust Swate, nor do I trust OMO. Fiesta's causing all sorts of confusion.

Ugh.
Jivvi said:
Also, the mafia better be careful not to hit an Innkeeper, be there one this game.
@Jivvi again I ask, what does this mean? You've avoided this question at least twice.
Do you know something that you wish to not share? Why does this seem like a warning to Mafia to Be Careful. Or is it a threat?
 

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-quote was here-
@Jivvi again I ask, what does this mean? You've avoided this question at least twice.
Do you know something that you wish to not share? Why does this seem like a warning to Mafia to Be Careful. Or is it a threat?
Jivvi does seem to know more than he is letting on, at least, that's what it feels to me. A lot of vague threats and statements about roles we don't even know exist and other claims. Still want to know what his other business was about in my previous post addressing him, since it all just... doesn't really fit together unless the really simple answer "just making guesses/assumptions" is used. x) (even though he seems certain about some things, like in that sentence, with implies he knows more than he's letting on imo. :/)
 

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The discussion does seem to be getting a bit stagnant and I'm at a loss as to what to do.
Just realized that besides this being a heavy time involving exams over the course of past and oncoming weeks, it is also graduation season! I mean like, the entirety of the island of Oahu's high schools are all basically graduating in the next 3-4 days. I'm certain activity will be more sustained once the summer rolls in and all the end-of-school hubbub is over and done with.

Now, I would like to address Oak's defense and accusation "speeches," and in addressing them, I will say but one thing: they are... interesting, to say the least.
I will first admit that, I didn't think such a reply/defense was really necessary, but that's purely because I don't exactly have (or had have) you high on any suspicions list, and thus, didn't really need any more convincing, though it was good to defend against the other accusations.

It hasn't exactly changed my opinion of your role/stance/whatever... but the accusations were interesting... though I'm not exactly convinced either on GmK, though that doesn't necessarily mean I'm not suspicious, I just feel like at the moment, its not strong enough either for me to vote on him.
Here are my reasons why: Note, I may simply be misreading or misinterpreting due to how the post is laid out (using quotes/screenshots would be much neater to understand xD ) but I'm basing this on both your post Oak, as well as reading back to the pages where the quotes were pulled from, as well as their context.

Firstly, some of your arguments feel a bit... well, flawed, in some regards. Again, may be my misinterpretation, but from reading back, they don't exactly make sense.
Case A:

I had to go back many a time and reread your first post, and I couldn't wrap my head around what you were talking about here. At first, i thought you were referencing, in your notation found at the bottom of that picture ^^, of the quotes of GmK following your little notation, but even there it didn't make sense: you're notations feel out of place in between both quotes.

Out of both, the sentences boxed in orange, and the quote proceeding your notation after you're "end quote" (in red), the red, underlined section of your words don't necessarily make any sense. This is due to both not exactly having any reference, at all, that "2 people originally suggested that pirates may not have been able to talk to each other." His first sentence involving "vote based on information before him" doesn't exactly cut the cake for me on you're accusation either, seeing as this sentence implies moreso that Sploorky got his vote to vote you, Oak, from others, when that didn't exactly happen beforehand: Sploorky started the lynch.
NOT TO MENTION I see no hint of GmK actually implying or bluntly stating that it is misinformation / this is false???

I looked back and didn't exactly find anything of GmK saying it was "false," especially when it came to his vote on you toward the end of the day:

It's less of saying it's "false" (or whatever that means), and moreso just... well... following the bandwagon, like he basically was, and has still to this moment without really explaining himself. In fact it was also just following the bandwagon of "omg guise, lynching is better than not lynching guise, we should lynch, it's the best choice even with no information, bandwagan timez!" sort of mentality going on during that time on Day 0.

If anything I would say that is MORE suspicious that he hasn't exactly explained much and has simply gone back and forth, basically following Notty (or Notty following him) then changing votes; it is more suspicious here than say, with Swate, due to having significantly more experience than Swate (hosting 2 games and playing in some ain't no small feat!)

But even then, such a suspicion is small, and I've never liked that "Back and forth voting = scum" idea, isn't enough to really make me vote (though I do keep suspicions).
Plus, being... I believe basically one of the last to vote on you, which at that point, had essentially become a "lost cause" as I am certain very few of us would've changed our stances on votes at that point in time, and would have just let the deadline run its course, that a scum would simply take up a vote at such a volatile point in time, especially being one of the last players to vote on you're particular lynch.
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I do believe you're not anti-town Oak, at least for the time being, and I feel the arguments against you are too weak to really justify, in my mind, a vote. I also do believe you have good intentions in pointing suspicion at GmK, whom arguably, IS suspicious, but I just don't believe you're particular arguments are that strong either; Better, Yes!, but they don't really make sense, at least, not to me anyways.

I wouldn't say he's bad... at least not yet. He's been acting fairly strange/shady since Day 0 in my opinion, so I think simply "keeping an eye" on suspicions is a better idea in this case, unless you want to re-explain to me what I've gotten wrong in regard to your post (which I don't believe I have; I've tried to understand where you're coming from, but reading back it really doesn't make sense in places xD )

I may vote GmK should something be explained, perhaps in your 3rd installment post, but at the moment, not yet.
I'm more inclined to vote Jivvi; he's my personal FoS and my gut just says its a better choice. I'm still waiting for a good response from him (probably busy, don't want to say anything cause that's probably the case), but I just don't think he's telling us the whole story, especially after so many "hints" at things that don't make sense; random threats out of thin air over no reason, etc, etc.
Feels like a cover-up if you ask me, but no one really was, were they? x)

Now time for some "me" time. *woosh*
 

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Bleh, I apologise for not being rather active in the game these few days as I have been really caught up with real-life commitments (school holidays in June and they have decided to squeeze in every single activity they have thought of before the holidays!). I still am busy now, lots of work to be completed and after I finish what I plan to do for today I'll try to catch up on the posts and see if they require my input (or not, I've noticed game has been going pretty slowly).
 
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