SCP - Secure, Contain, Mafia [GAME OVER]

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Right so that's interesting.
I'm inclined to believe Hunter and GmK however that means bad news for me as stated by Hunter.
I don't know myself how I survived night 2 unless I was blocked myself or Hunter is lying to get Sam killed or something completely different happened night two.

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this is acceptable, though I still want erik5456 to claim
also, myuser, investigate me tonight to confirm whether guilty=inno and to also confirm dess was sanecop
You're claiming a third party that kills every role that visits it. yet you're trying to get investigated by the cop? The role you are claiming has no reason to want the cop dead. However, this quote implies differently. Either you wanted the cop dead(in this case your lying about your win condition) or your role doesn't kill everyone who visits you. Either way your lying about your role or your win condition and I don't particularly like the idea your lying about either. I don't trust someone who's desperate enough to lie about being third party.

It's not just this. Like I've said earlier your siding with me despite there being obvious reason to doubt the idea I was even a cop. You've countered this by stating you knew dessern was a fake, however, you claim you know dessern was a fake because they died visiting you (despite not providing any logical reason mad could've visited you instead and dessern being the mafia kill last night) on top of that I'm certain I've seen you siding with me while Dessern was still alive.

I have no doubts your lying and honestly keeping you in this game is taking too much of a chance. You've played with a style outing every role you possibly. to be honest, there's no reason a third party would be controlling the game as much as you have. If you'd been honest about your win condition you wouldn't need to control the game, you'd stay out of the way to avoid getting night killed before completing your win condition.



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Okay people beat me too it thanks to an ill timed game of Counter Strike but yeah, bascially hunter has been lying to us all game, using risky strageties for the town to further his own cause, and now is trying to have it both ways with being both town and third party? I don't remember who said it but someone said that if our Rogue kills on days without lynches than maybe our slenderman kills during nights with lynches... either way I have 0 trust for hunter and think we should just be rid of him while we have the chance, lest he weasel out some magnicifent bastard moment.

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To be honest, I've been thinking along the lines of Road_to_ruin myself, but I wanted to see what others would say about Hunter first, since it would be the first vote I ever sent in the entire game. I just can't find myself trusting Hunter, whether he's actually the SCP or not.

Myus' post convinced me to do this. I don't know how you see it in your eyes, but in mine? Everything considered, Hunter's either third party or mafia.

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Once again you guys try to go after the TPs instead of scumhunting.

I might have outed Hunter (but only due to the fact I didn't want to lose, just as much as Hunter didn't want to ^^) but that also means I ruined some of his fun in the game. So I don't know where the hostility is coming from, especially if we have two frigging likely TPs that help the town keep their numbers up against scum!

One thing I am thinking is, that the wagon on Hunter might be driven by scum (because it's a good opportunity, and second place is nice too, aye?) which would fit my suspicions:

Road (suspicious TP claim)
Tim (since one of the VT claims i assume is certainly scum)
77 (unproveable and now potentially unlikely town blocker claim)

I didn't read everything perfectly sunce I just got up, so these are my first thoughts.
 
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Once again you guys try to go after the TPs instead of scumhunting.

I might have outed Hunter (but only due to the fact I didn't want to lose, just as much as Hunter didn't want to ^^) but that also means I ruined some of his fun in the game. So I don't know where the hostility is coming from, especially if we have two frigging likely TPs that help the town keep their numbers up against scum!

One thing I am thinking is, that the wagon on Hunter might be driven by scum (because it's a good opportunity, and second place is nice too, aye?) which would fit my suspicions:

Road (suspicious TP claim)
Tim (since one of the VT claims i assume is certainly scum)
77 (unproveable and now potentially unlikely town blocker claim)

I didn't read everything perfectly sunce I just got up, so these are my first thoughts.
I disagree, Hunter is dangerous. Let's be frank here, I think this whole role claim extravaganza has in my opinion been a handicap to the town because now all targets are on the table, our cop is exposed as is the whole 05 council and their spotter, and we have no doctor to back it all up. The town is effectively crippled if you ask me and we have hunter to thank; compound on to that hunter has been totally dishonest (In a game of mafia? Oh my stars!) and we have no reason to trust that he even is the "slenderman", as he is effectively protected against the mafia at night by his claim and at day if we let him roam. If he is indeed the "slenderman" than we still lack a way of confirming that he is a granny role. I don't trust hunter at all and I think passing on this opportunity to eliminate him as a threat before he does more damage is idiotic. As for the mafia our closest bet would be looking into the 05 council but that is a threat that can be dealt with at night, hunter is not...
 

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I disagree, Hunter is dangerous. Let's be frank here, I think this whole role claim extravaganza has in my opinion been a handicap to the town because now all targets are on the table, our cop is exposed as is the whole 05 council and their spotter, and we have no doctor to back it all up. The town is effectively crippled if you ask me and we have hunter to thank; compound on to that hunter has been totally dishonest (In a game of mafia? Oh my stars!) and we have no reason to trust that he even is the "slenderman", as he is effectively protected against the mafia at night by his claim and at day if we let him roam. If he is indeed the "slenderman" than we still lack a way of confirming that he is a granny role. I don't trust hunter at all and I think passing on this opportunity to eliminate him as a threat before he does more damage is idiotic. As for the mafia our closest bet would be looking into the 05 council but that is a threat that can be dealt with at night, hunter is not...
Lynching a Third Party would be best for the mafia right now, not the town. While Hunter is dangerous, we can now vote him off at any time or even just let samlen 'magic missile' him as hunter so nicely put it. But right now we must end this day with a mafia lynch.
 
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Lynching a Third Party would be best for the mafia right now, not the town. While Hunter is dangerous, we can now vote him off at any time or even just let samlen 'magic missile' him as hunter so nicely put it. But right now we must end this day with a mafia lynch.
That assumes hunter is telling the truth about his role, I don't accept that he is.
 

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Lynching a Third Party would be best for the mafia right now, not the town. While Hunter is dangerous, we can now vote him off at any time or even just let samlen 'magic missile' him as hunter so nicely put it. But right now we must end this day with a mafia lynch.
You said it more eloquently than I did.


- We have no clue what the night Dess investigated Hunter happened. You all seem to forget what I wrote before, that it could also be that Dess, since he claimed Cop, was simply protected by a Doc that night. Which would explain him not dying. Ooglie might have visited and died, since he wasn't protected. 77's block, we don't know how that works, if it counts as visit. Or he might simply be a fakeclaiming mafia. (also, isn't there a gap in what Hunter says? Dess died one night later after N3, but he said he investigated during N2, I doubt he visited Hunter yet again during N3? Except if he was no cop after all...arghhh)

Too many variables in that situation which doesn't allow me, from that perspective, to put a vote on Hunter for the time being, as I require him alive for my "net of scum" I am trying to lay.

- We do know though for 100% certainty that one of the O5 is lying. Please everyone remember we do not talk about N2, where we have one uncounted vote and such, we do not know if a vote defaults to no if you miss a deadline as O5, or if it states "didn't vote" or whatnot.

We do talk about N3 though, that's the one important one, where each O5 states he voted, all three state they voted yes, and one of them is certainly not telling the truth. This is why I mirror OMO's thoughts on iggy so strongly: Jivvi and OMO both have another function whilst iggy doesn't. Combined with the other facts I will remain with my vote for iggy for now still, it is the one thing I have the most statistical/percentage of confidence in.
 

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The road to ruin

I understand your point, and yes Hunter is still shifty.

But, wouldn't you agree that it might be more useful to:

- Lynch someone like iggy during the day who might just as well be scum
- Let the remaining two O5 together with Jolteon decide if to kill Hunter at night? Since the O5 kill is not done by a single person, I guess it doesn't count as a visit and can go through?

The good thing about this: The O5 know already when the night starts if iggy was the lying O5 or if the other of them is (if it is OMO, Jivvi knows that when the night starts, and vice versa) This will enable their decision process to be even more correct!
 

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Actually, lol, why didn't I think of this earlier, now that I wrote it:

Lynching iggy at this point has only strong points. As soon as he is lynched, we all know that:

- Iggy was scum
- Or that of the remaining two O5 one is lying, a 50/50 knowledge.

- At that moment, if iggy turns out town, the one truthful O5 knows that his partner is lying. He can then control the O5 vote by not giving in to it, and let us know during the day of his finding.

In my mind, this is currently the safest route to get information, because everything else (Samlen vs. Hunter, Ltin vs. Road, 77, VT claims, blah) is in my eye too much guesswork this late in the game.
 
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I understand your point, and yes Hunter is still shifty.

But, wouldn't you agree that it might be more useful to:

- Lynch someone like iggy during the day who might just as well be scum
- Let the remaining two O5 together with Jolteon decide if to kill Hunter at night? Since the O5 kill is not done by a single person, I guess it doesn't count as a visit and can go through?

The good thing about this: The O5 know already when the night starts if iggy was the lying O5 or if the other of them is (if it is OMO, Jivvi knows that when the night starts, and vice versa) This will enable their decision process to be even more correct!
A fair stance but I worry that hunter may be some kind of serial killer. If this is the case than we will lose 1 (mafia) + 1 (Hunter) +1 (05) for a total of 3 kills leaving us with 15 tomorrow if we add in our lynch. With one verified mafia death and an educated guess of five or six mafia total this leaves us dangerously close to an endgame, however if we kill iggy at night/find the 05 scum that brings the total down to eight. Not as dangerous but I'd rather leave us with 16 players tomorrow instead of 15.

One other thing I notice that worries me, we have a double voter among the 05 councilmen. If that turns out to be the scum in the 05 fold than the mafia could kill the item giver (sorry, forgot who was who) leaving us with 1 on the 05 council and taking out an anti scum weapon.

On the matter of dealing with hunter at night we have three posibilites, killing him leaves no victims as nobody directly contacted him or he was a serial killer, he kills Jolteon as spotting may count as a visit and may or may not actually authorize a strike, or the whole 05 council dies! If we assume hunter and iggy are both threats than I fail to see the boon we gain by dealing with iggy sooner rather than latter.

Another possibility is to vote no candy so we can have samlen safely dispose of this matter safely while the 05 council deals with iggy.

Just thinking aloud here so I don't miss anything while I think, if I do I'm sure somebody will point it out to me.
 
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One thing I'd lime to point out in the iggy no special move thing . If he's telling the truth then I'd guess he was townie I think a mafia would probably have a special ability at night. I also don't think it's Jivvi because a double vote for a mafia would be massively overpowered and again he doesn't really have a special night ability.

In my opiniopinion this leaves 2 possibilities.
1) Iggy is lying and mafia.
2) OMO is mafia.
Also Fiesta since Jivvi has a double vote would it be possible to get a double-lynch if he votes on 2 different people who are on 9 votes?
 
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