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- Thread starter Prizyms
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Please accept my heartfelt apology for any feeling I may have hurt of yours over the course of this game. I dislike the fashion in which you are posting because your posts alternate between attacking certain players for without evidence, and offhandedly dismissing the proposals of others. You're riding your counterclaim as far as you can, simply assuming that everyone else will accept it as truth purely because you invented a flavour name. (Problematically, a lot of people are.)
You can't just try and throw shade over Hunter because of his playstyle while vindicate Notty for exactly the same reason.
How many people could be lying? How many people could be mistaken? You can't know.
Regardless, in a game like this, while there will be a large number of bizarre roles, there's no way that the basic requirements will be absent - investigative roles, protecting roles, et cetera.
It's already been proven that these roles have vanilla names, and I highly doubt that the vanilla names are used as a close approximation, especially as there are likely a wide range of colourful roles that don't fit any stock descriptions. It's also unfair on the players. You can't have some elaborate role simplified down to 'cop' or 'watcher' in the kill notification. That would give misinformation and affect the rest of the game. For example, if the 'Curfew Enforcer' role was confirmed and died, you couldn't just tell players that a Doctor died, because they'd still be looking for the source of the role's other effects.
Something about how almost nobody else is questioning Duffie's counterclaim (which struck me as quite rushed, like Jolteon's has been called). Additionally, people are resisting diverting the thread to other topics (besides shitposts). I think you could find multiple mafia members in this group. It's like a tidal wave of throwing the same one argument at Jolteon (a poor one based around role names. didn't any of you learn from nita's assassin fiasco?) and keeping the thread on the same lynch-Jolteon topic for as long as possible, then beginning shitposts once you can't keep the bandwagon afloat. Barely anyone even mentioned Jolteon's poetic outburst, or its parallels with Notty's claimed rolename. She even stated that she didn't want to disclose the surname due to what it may reveal.
imo once you strip away the role name arguments (which shouldn't have any implications on their own) it's just a claim versus a counterclaim, which isn't being resolved properly due to never ending circles perpetuated primarily by Duffie.
vote Duffie.
Oh people questioned it alright. Mostly in forms of "...what?"
I'd like to see Jolt give an explanation for that.
And Jolt posting a poem written by a poet sharing a name with notty means nothing. What connection can even be drawn by that? Erik jumped straight to a "Notty must be mind controlling jolt!!1!1" which honestly is just absurd.
Im just trying to get somewhere cuz im sick and tired of just all the bullshit and 0 progress at this point. Like jivvi said it was two bandwagons that didnt happen so everyone resorted to shit posting to the point where the host had to remind us to stay serious to the game. Like seriously guys? I'm just trying to use logic here tim. And i didnt say must be although i do think something along the sorts may have happened simply because absolutely no reply from jolteon after that random shitpost while he already knew we thought he was suspicious. All i was trying to say is that the coincidence of notty's name and the poet doesnt seem like a coincidence. Besides tim i know youre panicking because notty may be like lynched and you dont want to lose whatever power it is you have. See im still curious to see literally any proof of that goddamn power of yours. All ive seen from you is posts showing how youre afraid of what mafia will do to you during the night and yet not wanting to give more info because of how you feel like youll "become" a target. And Caff whats not saying prizyms had this specific role and name in plan to see how the town would react? There are so many possibilities that i dont think you should simply disregard this one (although seeing as to how you seem to be valiantly defending notty it would make sense for you to try and save her). Also jivvi that is a long post and one thats hard to disect and understand. From what i get from it Duffie (and tim, caff, and notty) are disregarding other peoples posts while not validating other people questioning their own (referring back to my tim and caff arguments). Also 77 or infected could you guys offer some sort of help here? Didn't duffie mention to trying to roleblock one of you? (not sure which and too lazy to go back and check). And catgirl, watermelon, and raxo please, FOR THE LOVE OF POTATOES, contribute to this thread more and just help us out here (otherwise i will assume 1 or all 3 of you are mafia). I swear the end result of this day is either gonna in like a lynch on me for being overagressive or a no-lynch because no one can come to a consensus. (Im sorry if this offends anyone it really isnt the point and im off to bed nighty night o/)Oh people questioned it alright. Mostly in formsof "...what?"
I'd like to see Jolt give an explanation for that.
And Jolt posting a poem written by a poet sharing a name with notty means nothing. What connection can even be drawn by that? Erik jumped straight to a "Notty must be mind controlling jolt!!1!1" which honestly is just absurd.
Panicking? What? ...You're right in that I don't want notty to die because I'll likely be affected, but panicking I am not. I'll do my best to keep notty from dying, but I'm not panicking in any way and I'm curious as to where you got that.
I already said that I am unable to prove it without a full claim, and that would not be good. Give me at least one more night.
I've said literally none of these things.
responding with retort =/= disregarding. I've responded to literally every question directed at me.
So tim you said claiming puts more townies out into the open (ie you or others which means investigative role or something idk since youve mentioned nothing once more) and then a page after say that you're already out in the open and saying youre not a PR wont make a difference. So you're saying you don't want to be thrown out into the open and yet you already are out in the open? Makes no sense to me please explain.
OH ALSO. As i was going through the pages looking for more information i came up on 2 very interesting posts.
Jolt makes a super valid point. Samlen i thought you said you werent in an inn? And samlen if you arent in an inn and youve seen other flavour text outside of todays which none of can be 100% proven doesnt that mean youre mafia? And samlen you then later dodge this as well as basically everyone else (as well as myself) who simply ignore it. Now then could you please reply to these accusations :D
Gonna make a post just hoping to be informative here, so please don't hate me by trying to suggest I'm pushing an agenda when I say this, but retracting a claim makes a lot of sense and is generally done in a more professional/competitive game. It works largely in games where everyone is playing competitively/strategically rather than emotionally. It's incomplete to think only scum has a reason to lie. The town has plenty of reason to lie as well (if their thinking tactically, but our games tend to be played emotionally) For example: would you claim doctor d1 because someone asked? if you somehow knew the name of a power role, but couldn't safely explain to the town how you came across the name wouldn't you fake claim an investigative role? Hiding information and lying aren't only scum moves, but are possible moves shared amongst all mafia players. Of course, lying and hiding information can't be ignored completely because scum are more likely to be motivated to do these things so their valid reasons to lynch, but should never be an auto lynch.
To this day, my proudest moment in a mafia game was when I claimed cop as a vanilla townie and told the town I had a guilty report on someone I felt certain was mafia. Obviously, I was a vanilla townie, but i completely lied, wasn't scum, and i took out a mafia. Of course, this is easily the most risky move a person can make, and I highly advise against it in 90% of situations unless you really know what you're doing.
But this is just something to keep in mind. Also, It's for this reason I'm strongly against any Lynch all Liars policy and instead follow LEWLAL (LYNCH EVERYONE WHO LYNCHES ALL LIARS)
i'm pages behind so this is probably massively out of context, but I just wanted to make a point.
Also if your gimmick is the same as notty's, and that removes a power from your role, then that would mean Notty would have a power removed if her trigger was flipped. Notty claimed not to have a power. Sounds suspicious, eh?
Also if you have the same trigger then it's extremely unlikely that you are each others' trigger unless I'm missing something. The way you two explained it, it seems as if you two have the same gimmick. Another unclaimed player, probably an inactive, likely activates whatever happens to you two upon their death.
That is a decent point, yeah.
But Notty didn't say that her power would be removed, just that she was fairly certain of what would happen.
I'm less certain of the actual effect and 95% certain that it's bad.
Timdood last time i checked notty didnt have a power. At least from what i know. Maybe something shes shared with the mafia scum that we dont know about? Or lemme guess you obviously said her power would be removed "out of context" and meant that you thought probably that she didnt say she wouldnt be able to "advise" and "carry out" her job right?
I never said her power (don't you dare try to say using the words "her power" is me saying she has one) would be removed, and I don't think she did either? I honestly don't even know what you're trying to say or why you're saying it to me instead of to notty.
Longing for spiritual springs,
I dragged myself through desert sands ...
An angel with three pairs of wings
Arrived to me at cross of lands;
With fingers so light and slim
He touched my eyes as in a dream:
And opened my prophetic eyes
Like eyes of eagle in surprise.
He touched my ears in movement, single,
And they were filled with noise and jingle:
I heard a shuddering of heavens,
And angels' flight on azure heights
And creatures' crawl in long sea nights,
And rustle of vines in distant valleys.
And he bent down to my chin,
And he tore off my tongue of sin,
In cheat and idle talks aroused,
And with his hand in bloody specks
He put the sting of wizard snakes
Into my deadly stoned mouth.
With his sharp sword he cleaved my breast,
And plucked my quivering heart out,
And coals flamed with God's behest,
Into my gaping breast were ground.
Like dead I lay on desert sands,
And listened to the God's commands:
'Arise, O prophet, hark and see,
Be filled with utter My demands,
And, going over Land and Sea,
Burn with your Word the humane hearts.
Last thing im gonna post tonight before sleeping because im basically dead on the outside and ready to just fall over and sleep.
I decided to actually look over the links and jolteons post. I then got a translated version of the poem and lookey lookey what ive found.
It says that "god" (in this case lets shrink it down to a mafia PR) rips out the poor guy's tongue and replaces it with "wizard snakes".
It then goes on to say that his heart is ripped out and he is basically forced to do "god's" bidding.
Im gonna just go out on a limb here and try and guess that someone did this to jolt. Seeing as how he hasnt replied nor rated anything. In fact before the day ends lets do a little experiment. Jolteon if you can rate and or post anything then quote this post and/or rate it disagree.
If he does it im wrong thats too bad. (although "god" could always force him to do so"
But if not then lets just assume im right.
And Tim im just pointing out that you did in fact say the words her power which could mean a myriad of things while shes never mentioned a power which is why i was aggressively jumping onto you since i feel like someone whos under suspicion would be a little more careful then to use words not mentioned by others is all. One way or another im sure people will disregard this post so youre fine dw.
Alright i must sleep so expect no replys from me for at least 8 hours
I dragged myself through desert sands ...
An angel with three pairs of wings
Arrived to me at cross of lands;
With fingers so light and slim
He touched my eyes as in a dream:
And opened my prophetic eyes
Like eyes of eagle in surprise.
He touched my ears in movement, single,
And they were filled with noise and jingle:
I heard a shuddering of heavens,
And angels' flight on azure heights
And creatures' crawl in long sea nights,
And rustle of vines in distant valleys.
And he bent down to my chin,
And he tore off my tongue of sin,
In cheat and idle talks aroused,
And with his hand in bloody specks
He put the sting of wizard snakes
Into my deadly stoned mouth.
With his sharp sword he cleaved my breast,
And plucked my quivering heart out,
And coals flamed with God's behest,
Into my gaping breast were ground.
Like dead I lay on desert sands,
And listened to the God's commands:
'Arise, O prophet, hark and see,
Be filled with utter My demands,
And, going over Land and Sea,
Burn with your Word the humane hearts.
Last thing im gonna post tonight before sleeping because im basically dead on the outside and ready to just fall over and sleep.
I decided to actually look over the links and jolteons post. I then got a translated version of the poem and lookey lookey what ive found.
It says that "god" (in this case lets shrink it down to a mafia PR) rips out the poor guy's tongue and replaces it with "wizard snakes".
It then goes on to say that his heart is ripped out and he is basically forced to do "god's" bidding.
Im gonna just go out on a limb here and try and guess that someone did this to jolt. Seeing as how he hasnt replied nor rated anything. In fact before the day ends lets do a little experiment. Jolteon if you can rate and or post anything then quote this post and/or rate it disagree.
If he does it im wrong thats too bad. (although "god" could always force him to do so"
But if not then lets just assume im right.
And Tim im just pointing out that you did in fact say the words her power which could mean a myriad of things while shes never mentioned a power which is why i was aggressively jumping onto you since i feel like someone whos under suspicion would be a little more careful then to use words not mentioned by others is all. One way or another im sure people will disregard this post so youre fine dw.
Alright i must sleep so expect no replys from me for at least 8 hours
Ok so you were talking about me using the words "her power" this clears this up a bit.
She said her role would be affected.
If you want to attack me over the semantics of a madman's [myself] words after midnight then go right ahead.
In any case, sleep well.