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if ooglie is mafia, his power role is arguably the most detrimental to town, so i wanted to get that out of the way first
what was the deal with 77 again? was it just his claim conflicting with myu's, or was there something more
JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
Sorry, I stopped getting notifications a few pages back.
Yeah, 77 hasn't exactly come up with an explanation past the "don't trust myuser/I can save people with my powers(?)" claim, has he? Unless I've missed it, of course. I feel like he should explain himself, because not doing so is just suspicious and doesn't help the town not mislynch.
On the topic of 77 and potatoes though, I have a theory which I just came up with now without remembering all of what's already been said:
So there's the potato-farmer's inn, right? Which 77, Cat, Sam, and 1 other person (has that person revealed themselves yet?) are apart of.
Ooglie and cat say there was a bag of potatoes that turned out to be stolen(?) last night(?) right?
And that the bag was found to be full of lethal potatoes or bad potatoes or something.
I'm curious, because I feel certain there's probably at least a representative from both Mafia factions in there (Sam was one because he was in that Mkhedrioni group), and since Sam was the "potato poisoner" and we don't know exactly what that means, probably something pertaining to that potato bag...
...What if, in Sam dying, since he was "poisoning" the potatoes, now that it's been stolen, someone else in the Inn stole that bag of potatoes and is secretly holding onto them? And that person is Mafia?
Because there must be something bad about the potatoes, like are they things used to kill people? (since we all eat potatoes)
It seems strange that the bag would just up and disappear.
I personally feel maybe we should lynch someone from that potato inn
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I still don't trust Moogs or Myuser that much, especially myuser because I just feel its too similar to Priz's serial killer role, and since I sort of was one of the leaders in killing off Priz before he could convince everyone, it makes it kinda personal so that lends to my suspicion. I mean, sure it's a "doctor" role, but why would a town doctor need to kill people who visit?
Oog, I feel could be town, but censor definitely feels strange (though I feel with the theme it may work, with Duffie being the Curfew Enforcer and etc.), but I wouldn't really say I'm certain enough to vote him.
But either of those 2 are essentially at a gridlock which neither will be lynched today, as far as I can tell.
I don't like voting unless I'm certain/have a strong gut feeling and I'm not certain of anyone at this time x)
Yeah, 77 hasn't exactly come up with an explanation past the "don't trust myuser/I can save people with my powers(?)" claim, has he? Unless I've missed it, of course. I feel like he should explain himself, because not doing so is just suspicious and doesn't help the town not mislynch.
On the topic of 77 and potatoes though, I have a theory which I just came up with now without remembering all of what's already been said:
So there's the potato-farmer's inn, right? Which 77, Cat, Sam, and 1 other person (has that person revealed themselves yet?) are apart of.
Ooglie and cat say there was a bag of potatoes that turned out to be stolen(?) last night(?) right?
And that the bag was found to be full of lethal potatoes or bad potatoes or something.
I'm curious, because I feel certain there's probably at least a representative from both Mafia factions in there (Sam was one because he was in that Mkhedrioni group), and since Sam was the "potato poisoner" and we don't know exactly what that means, probably something pertaining to that potato bag...
...What if, in Sam dying, since he was "poisoning" the potatoes, now that it's been stolen, someone else in the Inn stole that bag of potatoes and is secretly holding onto them? And that person is Mafia?
Because there must be something bad about the potatoes, like are they things used to kill people? (since we all eat potatoes)
It seems strange that the bag would just up and disappear.
I personally feel maybe we should lynch someone from that potato inn
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I still don't trust Moogs or Myuser that much, especially myuser because I just feel its too similar to Priz's serial killer role, and since I sort of was one of the leaders in killing off Priz before he could convince everyone, it makes it kinda personal so that lends to my suspicion. I mean, sure it's a "doctor" role, but why would a town doctor need to kill people who visit?
Oog, I feel could be town, but censor definitely feels strange (though I feel with the theme it may work, with Duffie being the Curfew Enforcer and etc.), but I wouldn't really say I'm certain enough to vote him.
But either of those 2 are essentially at a gridlock which neither will be lynched today, as far as I can tell.
I don't like voting unless I'm certain/have a strong gut feeling and I'm not certain of anyone at this time x)
JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
Not necessarily true.
Sure, hypothetically if we lynch Ooglie (I doubt itll happen at this time but if...)
And it turns out he was telling the truth about his role being censurer but turns out to be Mafia, we can probably deduce some players who are likely to be town, and thus, get us closer to killing off the mafia by decreasing the pool of potential people.
Like cat. Since Ooglie has watched cat both nights, we could conclude (though not completely certify) that cat is probably town/third-party.
if 77 is the same mafia as samlen, that fact plus the fact she had potatoes PLUS the fact that she has contributed the least out of all players warrants at least considering a lynch
JKangaroo samlen used the potatoes to poison, not the other way around
JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
I honestly thought Watermelon had less contribution since water hasn't really talked much (unless water got replaced like tim and jivvi have replaced players?).
At least cat has people talking about them.
And ah, is that the case?
Mmk. Though the theory could still work. The bag could still be out there being used if all of them are poisoned
(I wonder, since it's a bag right? Maybe its a limited number, and acts like an item? Though I guess nothing up to this point has hinted at such a thing existing)yeah, the problem is she hasn't given input or responded to any questions in three days despite the majority of discussion being at minimum tangentially related to her role and/or claimsAt least cat has people talking about them.
hopefully she'll post before the deadline to clear things up or provide insight but i wouldn't count on it
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
Okay so through lynching oog we could look at who sided with him/who was against him and speculate but that's the same with lynching anyone, and deciding on who's mafia based on that seems to be pretty weak compared to knowing that 77 was being truthful about surviving myuser's patient visit, so we can be 99% sure that myuser is lying. Likewise, if 77 is Mafia we can presume myuser is Town and probably caff since she backed myuser's claim up. It just seems safer to make decisions based on the 77/myuser situation rather than what seems to be another lynch floating out on its own where we only have the voting results to go on, rather than actual role claims etc.
I do understand that if oog turns out to be mafia cat is, more likely than not, a Townie, but we could also kind of clear cat by lynching 77.
Idk, from where I'm sitting it just seems pretty clear that lynching oog isn't the way to go tonight, and lynching 77 is probably our best bet. \o/
If im the best lynch there's seriously something wrong. And why are people like thinking its strange that I was targeting myuser so hard? He got investigated as not town and then his roleclaim didnt fit with what i knew, therefore I thought it was a pretty good chance that myuser was mafia/third party. With people saying that there cant be two protective roles, my role can easily exist with a surgeon. Not sure what else to say here.
did you mean cat?
also infected the main thing is this
ooglie lynch:
- reliable reports
- most powerful anti-town ability is nullified
- low-mid risk (his role is next-to useless for helping town and is a liability), high reward (another overpowered maf down!)
- myu confirmed town/maf?
- inn might be confirmed as scum
- overall low risk (unlikely to actually be doc), mid-reward (information!)
You've said this several times now and it honestly annoys me every time. My claim is nothing like prizyms in the bloody masquerade.
The fact that a role has the potential to kill does not make it mafia sided, in fact if they kill mafia with it greatly helps the town. For example: vigilante and hunter are also roles that can kill people, yet if I'd claimed one of those you wouldn't be making this argument. Raxo pretty much claimed hunter, and yet you aren't making that argument against him.
Its not like I'm making a claim out of the blue either. Surgeon is already an existing role if you look it up on epicmafia, and its supposed to be very difficult to play. It is considered hard to play because you can accidently kill off townies, and because it requires one to be able to read who the mafia are likely to target as well as where the power roles are likely to hit so that the surgeon can take out as many mafia as possible. That said, those things are pretty impossible to read in a closed setup game so I can't understand why I was given the role of surgeon in a closed setup. My guess is that prizyms just liked the role because he was a fan of epicmafia.
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
Yeah I did mean cat woops sorry lol
And also:
77 could also be high reward if he's mafia.
I understand where you're coming from and I get why you're voting oog. If I thought there was equal chance of oog and 77 being town I'd probably vote oog too, but I don't. I really don't see oog as Mafia, and if I'm wrong I'm sorry but I just don't. Yeah, his role can be used negatively, but so can Notme's, so can Jivvi's item etc etc. But the benefits that oog's role could bring to town is also a great thing. And I think if oog was mafia, and a great mafia player as you've said, he wouldn't claim this role because of how people might treat it.
Sorry but for now my vote stays with 77thShad.
JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
...Except... we don't know that your role can exist with a surgeon?
...Since I don't believe we actually know anything about your role?
Even though I know you said you didn't want to give information since it just gives more stuff that anti-town can use, its kind of hard to convince the town using vague statements without any other explanations attached, and as far as I can tell, that's the main reason (or at least, the only reason I can see as reasonable) is because you haven't given much reason otherwise.
I do agree and think myuser is a better lynch mainly because of Notty's investigation and I feel Ooglie's deal is a bit too convoluted and I'm getting more town vibes from him. But explanations are important, and so far it doesn't exactly hold much water against myuser.
1) I was not aware there was an actual surgeon role. Now I feel there are more possibilities.
but 2) No, it's still very similar to Priz's role, in terms of base mechanics, the main difference involving flavour character names, and having a spin on an existing role would make sense in a game where roles are different from their main counterparts and unique roles/mechanics exist.
It's a comparison, and it's how I've viewed your role, because they are indeed similar.
Anyone can attach weird elements to a role to assume its mafia, that bit doesn't suggest anything. Like if I wanted to I could just suggest a theory saying you're a mafia detective who uses their telegram sending abilities to get an investigation back on anyone you visit, and that you told us you aren't the ones making the telegrams because you wanted to abuse it to leak false information or generally turn the town against each other. ( in this case the theory is weak, but that doesn't make it any more or less true)
wifom!!! if he was a great mafia player he'd expect me to recognize his claim as mafsided in nature and expect the rest of town except jivvi to promptly disregard my outburst
seriously though what actually is his benefit to town
all he can do is
- get an idea of what role someone is
- render their report useless
- out their role to town???
now imagine for 1 second that oog is actually mafia:
what he can do is
- discover town investigative prs
- partially intercept their report
- render report useless
- possibly modify report
- claim townsided and out a falsified "censored" report to mislead the town
- get away with this in broad daylight
the only things it can possibly impact are investigative reports. no other type of role receives reports.
what use would a townsided player have for screwing with investigations?
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
And if he was Town, he could:
- discover mafia investigative roles (if they exist?)
- partially intercept their report
- render report useless
- possibly modify report
- use report to identify the roles of others, checking them off as Town/third party
- investigate a claimed role and know if they are being truthful or not (e.g. he visits mastersten and realizes he gets a message relating to how he has to say vodka x more times - dundundun, he's lying! idk, bad example but yeah)
lol
But if mafia investigative roles aren't a thing then never mind just ignore most of that lol
going by claims this is an investigation-based setup
and with the sheer number of cops and watchers and trackers and etc some reports are bound to be unreliable/conflicting
and frankly oog's role is op from a maf standpoint unless his maf group is really small and there's many town investigation prs, which would make sense because multiple mafias
which just so happens to be the case here
and with the sheer number of cops and watchers and trackers and etc some reports are bound to be unreliable/conflicting
and frankly oog's role is op from a maf standpoint unless his maf group is really small and there's many town investigation prs, which would make sense because multiple mafias
which just so happens to be the case here
JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
This is true, indeed, because like always, anything is a possibility in these games, since everything depends on what you believe to be true, and trusting in whatever alignment/roles you have will lead you in the right direction whatever your win condition is.
It's also why I think we should probably put more scrutiny on the current claims (since I believe nearly everyone has something claimed about them at this point) tomorrow because I'm certain the existing Mafia are hiding in plain sight right now. (or we can do it today, though I doubt we'd make it far with the deadline so near).
All I'm saying in regards to your claim is that you haven't convinced me. I'm still quite suspicious and skeptical but as I've said before, there is enough discussion/evidence/etc that is also suspicious that I'm conflicted and want to give the benefit of the doubt but keeping that skepticism intact because that's better than trusting someone outright, right? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I love it when I'm an idiot who is ignoring some data that's in the spotlight so that I can look for scum on the side. Hunter makes the most sense in the world if we look at it from a game balance point of view. Almost every town PR seems to some sort of report back (except block/protectors). Realistically this would be op with or without modifiers (since town would discover those modifiers at one point). Solution? Add someone to remove your information rendering you a useless townie while mafia slowly picks then off one by one. Whether ooglie is town or not, the possible detrimental effects and ability to cost town the game is not something we should mess around with. I know I've flipped vote quite a bit but once more it's because ive been trying to progress the game and look outside the spotlight for scum in this case though the spotlight is the perfect place to make our lynch
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Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
Or, maybe, actually, Priz put in the role of town journalist/cencorer because there are so many town roles that get reports back? That way the town has a slight drawback.
And like said before by people, it doesn't have to be a drawback it can also be used to verify if the one-shot roles are getting reports back. +more that people listed.
Mooglie
The Local Cow
or you know Priz has been hosting many Mafia games and would not out an OP role if Mafia into the game??
+ why is everyone ignoring the fact I could just use my ability on hunter or a one shot PR, all of the PRs (since they've claimed) would be able to tell you if I'm lying or not
+ why is everyone ignoring the fact I could just use my ability on hunter or a one shot PR, all of the PRs (since they've claimed) would be able to tell you if I'm lying or not
Aqua
Does anybody remember laughter?
I've just had a thought, since this is Soviet Russia and we have quite a few investigatory-esque roles... could we have some "KGB" roles (Russian version of the Gestapo, I think) as a 3rd party secret police force spying on the town as well as maybe an anti-potato club? with win conditions getting all potato club members lynched, to stop a potato-fuelled revolution?
I mean thinking about the roles Censorer, Notty's Chief of police etc.
Here's what I think so far would be in it:
I mean thinking about the roles Censorer, Notty's Chief of police etc.
Here's what I think so far would be in it:
- Notty: as the other cop role, with no connection to Timd00d it would make sense that Notty has some other agenda, and with the sketchy-ness of her back story on day 1, it could explain some of the contradictions/mistakes she made during her day 1 lynch battle with Jolt (AKA Captain Hook get it )
- Notty's Chief: If this is a role, since it's affiliated with notty, it would likely also be in this group.
- Ooglie: Censorship is something expected to be carried out by these groups, also to me Notty and Oog have been defending each other throughout the game.