I was putting it up as a SUGGESTION, then 45 minutes later retracted the idea. You know you can change your opinion?
Rick and Morty - The Non Canonical Mafia Game - Guess we're not getting to post 2000 :(
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Ok, I found the quote. I said about how many coincidences can there be before it's not a coincidence. This is another post laying suspicion at TWG's door and he didn't respond to it, even though he was pinged.
Bitch.
Still the same 3 reasons:
What?
Why would I wait, if he was going to be lynched anyway?
How is that beneficial for the mafias. Best case scenario is that Hunter gets killed day 2, and show innocent. Then I and Weak would die the following days. I earn nothing on it.
Something that a mafia probaby would have done to make him look more believable. I am not sure why this point is against me.
You pretty much say anything is crazy now do you.
No, I couldn't, and even if I lied you wouldn't know.
Please explain be how I even theoretically can be mafia? I really hope you don't bring up Rune's role name as evidence, because it had absolutely nothing to do with investigating, something the role name I gave out clearly had.
Also explain why I would benefit of backing TheWeak up, if we're both mafias. And don't bring up this again:
The best case scenario would be me and weak getting lynched the following days, after Hunter shows innocent today.
Ok, I'm going to put in bold and underline everything that I want answered. Because at the moment there seems to be a lot of confusion and the questions that are answered are being answered wrongly.
Your second point says "instead". We still had no reason to be sure that TWG would be lynched. If you were so enthusiastic about lynching Hunter then surely you should've exposed a mafia right at the start of the day.
Yeah, you could've died, but there was nothing stopping you from claiming later today. Then there would've been no worry of you dying and all the information being lost.
I don't think these points answer my question at all.
Why did you claim so early? 1. There was no way to be sure that TWG would get lynched. 2. Same as one but also if you claimed just to kill a mafia surely you should've done it even earlier. 3. This point is just irrelevant to my question.
Also, why were you so sure that TWG was going to get lynched?
I'm not saying that you should've claimed even earlier. I think the exact opposite in fact. But surely if you were thinking that you would send it early, why not send it earlier if it was important?
So basically, Rune was cop and you guys somehow learned this, so it would be impossible for anyone else to counter claim. Then somehow you made it appear that TWG would show inno when lynched and hunter made to look mafia when he was lynched.
Yeah I know, this is crazy, and coupled with the fact that no-one else has claimed cop yet pretty much confirms you are cop I think. This means that I am beginning to trust you and you are not that suspicious anymore. However, I would still like the bolded questions answered please <3
Now onto the other theory.
This theory involves that you are indeed cop but TWG is mafia. This theory is that TWG has a doppelganger ability. He's mafia but if he were to die or be investigated, it would appear that he was a townie depending on who he visited. Now, maybe he tried to act suspiciously on day one just to get investigated or maybe getting investigated was just luck. But now by getting the cop to claim on his behalf, he could get Hunter lynched and then when Hunter flipped town, there could be a valid excuse to lynch Unu, the cop, as people would think that he was lying. Then the mafia could kill someone else in the night aswell.
Now, this theory is unlikely, but not improbable. There could well be a dopperganger role in the game and TWG was lurking on purpose so he would get investigated. Remember, his justification for lynching for day one was that "he had nothing to add". Then suddenly, come day two, he becomes a lot more active. This is certainly weird. I think a lot of mafia planning would go into this scheme but considering how long it reportedly took the mafia to make a kill during night 0, it could well be possible.
The other option is that both of them are town. I find it extremely hard to believe that TWG is town however. He just seems so scummy and he has done such suspicious things. On the other hand, if TWG and Hunter were mafia, why would TWG want to kill Hunter? He could be a doppelganger third party role, possibly even the serial killer, but that's unlikely.
My vote remains on TWG for the time being as I don't know why a well-meaning town / third party would be acting so suspiciously. Please also answer my latest points as soon as you can Weak.
Also, can the lurkers please weigh in with their opinions? Please? I feel like this is going around in circles and that only a handful of people are actively participating at the moment.
It also may be coming up to the time for Hunter to claim his role, if the pressure on him continues.
Bitch.
But I'm not sure how these reasons link to why you claimed so early. Surely you could've waited to see if the TWG lynch train progressed or not. Someone else had the same amount of votes as TWG. There is no way that you could've known that TWG would've been lynched so point 1 in my opinion, is invalid.
Your second point says "instead". We still had no reason to be sure that TWG would be lynched. If you were so enthusiastic about lynching Hunter then surely you should've exposed a mafia right at the start of the day.
Yeah, you could've died, but there was nothing stopping you from claiming later today. Then there would've been no worry of you dying and all the information being lost.
I don't think these points answer my question at all.
Why did you claim so early? 1. There was no way to be sure that TWG would get lynched. 2. Same as one but also if you claimed just to kill a mafia surely you should've done it even earlier. 3. This point is just irrelevant to my question.
Also, why were you so sure that TWG was going to get lynched?
This is actually a very good point that I didn't think of before. It makes me start to believe your claim but also has begun to make me think of another two theories, one of in which you're still mafia. However this certain theory is unlikely. The other is more credible.
Well, iirc, cop claims are normally more formal so I was using this point to show how weird this claim was, primarily weird by my other points. I guess in the end it doesn't matter how you claim but I mean, come on, "im a cop" is pretty damn casual. I agree though, this point is pretty irrelevant.
How is this is any way a good answer to my point. I was pointing out how it seemed strange how he could go from partially trusting you to instant distrust to instant trust. I mean, I mainly wanted TWG to answer this post, but if you're going to answer it anyway, you might as well put a little bit of effort into it.
But if you thought it was urgent and important to defend TWG and claim asap (which I still don't understand but hey, whatever), surely it would've been important to get it out as quickly as you could to stop more people becoming suspicious of him.
I'm not saying that you should've claimed even earlier. I think the exact opposite in fact. But surely if you were thinking that you would send it early, why not send it earlier if it was important?
Ok, yeah, these are good points. I mentioned earlier about two theories. The more abstract one that involves you being mafia aswell and which is extremely unlikely is as follows;
So basically, Rune was cop and you guys somehow learned this, so it would be impossible for anyone else to counter claim. Then somehow you made it appear that TWG would show inno when lynched and hunter made to look mafia when he was lynched.
Yeah I know, this is crazy, and coupled with the fact that no-one else has claimed cop yet pretty much confirms you are cop I think. This means that I am beginning to trust you and you are not that suspicious anymore. However, I would still like the bolded questions answered please <3
Now onto the other theory.
This theory involves that you are indeed cop but TWG is mafia. This theory is that TWG has a doppelganger ability. He's mafia but if he were to die or be investigated, it would appear that he was a townie depending on who he visited. Now, maybe he tried to act suspiciously on day one just to get investigated or maybe getting investigated was just luck. But now by getting the cop to claim on his behalf, he could get Hunter lynched and then when Hunter flipped town, there could be a valid excuse to lynch Unu, the cop, as people would think that he was lying. Then the mafia could kill someone else in the night aswell.
Now, this theory is unlikely, but not improbable. There could well be a dopperganger role in the game and TWG was lurking on purpose so he would get investigated. Remember, his justification for lynching for day one was that "he had nothing to add". Then suddenly, come day two, he becomes a lot more active. This is certainly weird. I think a lot of mafia planning would go into this scheme but considering how long it reportedly took the mafia to make a kill during night 0, it could well be possible.
The other option is that both of them are town. I find it extremely hard to believe that TWG is town however. He just seems so scummy and he has done such suspicious things. On the other hand, if TWG and Hunter were mafia, why would TWG want to kill Hunter? He could be a doppelganger third party role, possibly even the serial killer, but that's unlikely.
My vote remains on TWG for the time being as I don't know why a well-meaning town / third party would be acting so suspiciously. Please also answer my latest points as soon as you can Weak.
Also, can the lurkers please weigh in with their opinions? Please? I feel like this is going around in circles and that only a handful of people are actively participating at the moment.
It also may be coming up to the time for Hunter to claim his role, if the pressure on him continues.
Bitch.
mariosatr
Imperator Romanus Sacer
sorry I got back a bit ago, need some time to collect thoughts
but first thought is that the claim seems far too sloppy to be faked
...but wasn't that how ltin got away with it too last game?
the theory of a "framer" role isn't out of the question (it's a role in some online mafia games) but it seems pretty unlikely, also with a closed setup it's not something we can rely on in the slightest (as it's not a common role, whereas we could guess that there was almost certainly a doctor role or some variation for example, and we're pretty sure that a cop *does* exist, even if it's not necessarily unu) another crazy (but super unlikely) theory: maybe unu and hunter are *both* mafia and unu is outing his mafia buddy to gain a perfect camouflage in a closed setup? but just as I'm typing this I realised that this is even less likely, it might have been a working strat if doc will still alive but certainly not as unu surviving two+ days would raise suspicion. just throwing out some thoughts to provoke some discussion/ideas at this point
to me TWG still comes off as scummy though
also a comment on the janitor role: it seems to have the ability to clean up lynch role reveals too? seems complicated, since first day we got role names, and second day we got (vague) role descriptions
but first thought is that the claim seems far too sloppy to be faked
...but wasn't that how ltin got away with it too last game?
the theory of a "framer" role isn't out of the question (it's a role in some online mafia games) but it seems pretty unlikely, also with a closed setup it's not something we can rely on in the slightest (as it's not a common role, whereas we could guess that there was almost certainly a doctor role or some variation for example, and we're pretty sure that a cop *does* exist, even if it's not necessarily unu) another crazy (but super unlikely) theory: maybe unu and hunter are *both* mafia and unu is outing his mafia buddy to gain a perfect camouflage in a closed setup? but just as I'm typing this I realised that this is even less likely, it might have been a working strat if doc will still alive but certainly not as unu surviving two+ days would raise suspicion. just throwing out some thoughts to provoke some discussion/ideas at this point
to me TWG still comes off as scummy though
also a comment on the janitor role: it seems to have the ability to clean up lynch role reveals too? seems complicated, since first day we got role names, and second day we got (vague) role descriptions
Finally done with exams for this week.
Golly, Unu, you're sure fixated on your role name being the best-fitting for an investigative role, considering you claim to be someone that doesn't even appear in the show. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out you just looked at a list of characters and chose one that sounded fitting for cop.
Unusual_Dood what specifically does your report say? Do you detect mafia vs not mafia, town vs nontown, or "able to kill other players" vs. not having that ability?
Hunter Considering that there are quite a lot of lurkers playing at the moment, I really think that you should claim now. Claiming tomorrow or even later today probably won't give you the time needed to defend yourself, especially considering that the lurkers need to read your defense and then decide on what to do.
Bitch.
Bitch.
Mooglie
The Local Cow
so i'm gonna be THAT GUY and not rly sure what's going on but
CAN SOMEONE MAKE A RECAP
SINCE IT REALLY IS TOO BORING TO READ IGGY'S CONSTANT LONG POSTS AND I DON'T HAVE THAT SORT OF TIME
UNU CLAIMED COP AND THAT HUNTER IS MAFIA BUT THEN I GOT BORED OK BYE
CAN SOMEONE MAKE A RECAP
SINCE IT REALLY IS TOO BORING TO READ IGGY'S CONSTANT LONG POSTS AND I DON'T HAVE THAT SORT OF TIME
UNU CLAIMED COP AND THAT HUNTER IS MAFIA BUT THEN I GOT BORED OK BYE
Fair enough, but I was hoping it'd be a surprise-
I'm a Giant Telepathic Spider, one of my kind that went off to explore the galaxy after a high-level AI brokered a peace agreement with the humans.
If I get nightkilled, I reveal the killer's identity (just name, not alignment or role) to the ship's inhabitants, but if I'm lynched I get to fully reveal the role of a player of my choosing.
Ugh, I'll try, but it'll probably turn into another long post which you will consequently also want a recap of.
-Unu claimed cop
Said he visited Hunter on night 0 and discovered he was mafia
Said he visited TWG on night 1 and discovered he was mafia
-At this stage, TWG was getting a lot of heat from me so unu tried to communicate to TWG that he was the cop subliminally, claiming that he and TWG had a chat during the night but that tactic didn't work as TWG immediately called bullshit. As a result, unu revealed himself. However, one source of conflict here is the fact that unu seemed to be so sure that TWG would be lynched when at the time he only had two votes out of the 8 required to be lynched. Someone else had that many votes aswell so there have been theories that unu panicked and jumped the gun to save a mafia teammate.
-At this stage, unu is soft proven cop but as I still believe(d) that TWG was scummy, I assumed unu was scummy aswell for defending TWG. I (and others) pointed out several points about TWG.
1. On day one he said he didn't want anyone to reveal themselves as that would reveal town PRs for the mafia to prey on. However on day 2 he suggested that we all claim, a theory that he later retracted. Inconsistency.
2. He seemed to make the connection between characters and factions with no proof. He was so sure of this fact that he was willing to lynch someone (he voted me because of my role in the TV show) when the game said "non-canonical" and at the time, we had no way of knowing to what extent it was non-canonical. In my opinion, the only way that he could've been sure of and made that connection would've been if he had some other names to reference off. Basically, I just think that that he and his mafia buddies made the connection.
3. He was lurking like mad on day 1 and now suddenly, he's very active. His justification is that he "had nothing to add" which is strange considering how much he has to say this day.
4. He also conveniently forgot to reply to two posts (one from me, one from hunter) laying a lot of suspicion at his door and I am currently still waiting for a response from him about my latest points.
5. I think those are the main points that I accused him of, also small stuff that could've been coincidences like seemingly supporting Arelic and his leaps of trust in unusual dude.
- I basically retracted my suspicion of unu after he made a very good point asking why he would cover a mafia buddy if in the best case scenario, hunter gets lynched, flips town and then both of them get lynched as well.
-However, I still have a lot of suspicion on TWG as I don't know why someone who is an innocent townie would be acting so suspiciously.
-Needless to say, people are voting for Hunter because of unu's claim and as no-one has counter claimed unu.
-Jolt had originally been under a lot of pressure for possibly being the janitor role but it seems that many people have forgotten about him since unu's claim.
- There are so many damn lurkers at the moment, who contribute virtually nothing.
The long posts by myself and unu have basically just been making point against point, quoting and bickering. It's pretty much finished now but it was going in circles for quite a while.
With just over a day until the deadline, it is looking like Hunter might get lynched but I see he's just claimed so who knows, things might get spicy.
Biiiiiiiiiiitch.