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Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
i immensely dislike the way you base your reads on your nonsensical intuition every single game
i dislike the fact that you're usually right even more because it makes it so much easier for you to bullshit this stuff in our faces when you roll a maf role
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
We don't need to wait and see if we start to have too many nightkills in a democracy. We will. It's a given. You're wanting to waste time.
If I see one more person make a decision about what to do based on a 'general rule of thumb' I'm going to explode tbh
This isn't a Closed setup, we know the roles, we can figure out the realistic implications of our actions, we can work out whether a massclaim works or not. I mean just flashback to foggy's game where Notty figured out we could massclaim and we did and won instantly. Massclaims are usually not done since the setup is closed and there may be downsides to it that we can't forsee, or because that particular open setup makes a massclaim unfavourable, but this is not one of those situations. Saying 'mafia can use information!' is heuristically thinking, it's not thinking in depth and in detail about what the actual implications are, it's like using a mental shortcut to make a decision, and it's going to cost us the game if everyone keeps doing that.
w h y
You seem to be entirely missing the point of installing a dictatorship, and that's to use the dictator to try to get as many town-sided kills as possible because that's realistically the only way we're going to win. That would be pointless if we don't have a decent pool of suspects to go off of. Hence the massclaim.
I like this idea
It's not even nonsensical
you just don't SEE ITI mean oog agreed with me on my read on Notty last game so I'm not alone in some of my mental representations of people!
Speaking of my psychic vibes I don't think I modestly showed this off yet, for those of you who didn't know the roles
TRUST THE INTUITION
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
No I think it was my exam which I ran out of time in and my essay on whether children should be held morally accountable turned into a philosophical debate about whether anyone should ever be held morally accountable for my last paragraph and I didn't elaborate on it properly so it didn't make sense and I didn't have time to so I was about to cross it all out because it was dumb but they were like OK TIME'S UP PENS DOWN
we already have to elect five representatives and i have no idea who we should be voting in, there's no plan like last time
and the plan from last time was apparently made by the mafia? does that mean we should avoid that plan so whatever they planned to do doesn't happen?
but uh, anyways
massclaiming is bad
you see
the mafia will never claim their roles with 100% honesty. this is a given, especially with an open set up that explains role names and which side they are on to all participating
with that said, chaos can very easily break out the second everyone massclaims- especially on the first day, of all days
imagine, a conformist (town) claims their role honestly. a dissenter (mafia) decides to very loudly proclaim that the conformist is a liar, and claim the same role. if the conformist's role is a power role, the mafia will know exactly who to murder, as well. they will also know if poisoning is the better option if the claimed role happens to be bulletproof. they will also be able to provide 'proof' if the claimed role happens to be the counterpart to their own or have similar functions (such as toxicologist=avaritia and tracker=invidia why did the mafia names change). If the conformist's actions happens to be seen as more suspicious than the dissenter's, and the dissenter banks on this, it's basically a death sentence for the conformist (though doing this is a death sentence for the dissenter as well once they're outed upon the conformist's death, unless it's under dictatorship with the dictator being a mafia member who janitors the murdered conformist).
or maybe a conformist lies about their role, for one reason or another? maybe someone says they're bulletproof to to avoid being murdered even though they're not or the paranoid to avoid getting visited (even with the risk of getting murdered since the doctor can aim their action at that person) but the person who actually has the role sees it for the lie it is and calls them out on it and now that conformist faces suspicion even though the conformist just wants to avoid death
basically, chaos could break out, and i'm not keen on seeing things go topsy-turvy, since the mafia could take advantage of such chaos (unless they're overwhelmed by said chaos, which could happen, but that's not a chance i'd like to take)
and the plan from last time was apparently made by the mafia? does that mean we should avoid that plan so whatever they planned to do doesn't happen?
but uh, anyways
massclaiming is bad
you see
the mafia will never claim their roles with 100% honesty. this is a given, especially with an open set up that explains role names and which side they are on to all participating
with that said, chaos can very easily break out the second everyone massclaims- especially on the first day, of all days
imagine, a conformist (town) claims their role honestly. a dissenter (mafia) decides to very loudly proclaim that the conformist is a liar, and claim the same role. if the conformist's role is a power role, the mafia will know exactly who to murder, as well. they will also know if poisoning is the better option if the claimed role happens to be bulletproof. they will also be able to provide 'proof' if the claimed role happens to be the counterpart to their own or have similar functions (such as toxicologist=avaritia and tracker=invidia why did the mafia names change). If the conformist's actions happens to be seen as more suspicious than the dissenter's, and the dissenter banks on this, it's basically a death sentence for the conformist (though doing this is a death sentence for the dissenter as well once they're outed upon the conformist's death, unless it's under dictatorship with the dictator being a mafia member who janitors the murdered conformist).
or maybe a conformist lies about their role, for one reason or another? maybe someone says they're bulletproof to to avoid being murdered even though they're not or the paranoid to avoid getting visited (even with the risk of getting murdered since the doctor can aim their action at that person) but the person who actually has the role sees it for the lie it is and calls them out on it and now that conformist faces suspicion even though the conformist just wants to avoid death
basically, chaos could break out, and i'm not keen on seeing things go topsy-turvy, since the mafia could take advantage of such chaos (unless they're overwhelmed by said chaos, which could happen, but that's not a chance i'd like to take)
i sympathise with you on running out of time for your essayNo I think it was my exam which I ran out of time in and my essay on whether children should be held morally accountable turned into a philosophical debate about whether anyone should ever be held morally accountable for my last paragraph and I didn't elaborate on it properly so it didn't make sense and I didn't have time to so I was about to cross it all out because it was dumb but they were like OK TIME'S UP PENS DOWN
that happened way too many times when i was answering my papers
i need to work on my timing
also, what if the dissenters just
deliberately had their poisoner poison their fellow ally
and bank on people thinking that that person couldn't possibly be a dissenter since they were harmed by said people
... i'm sorry, i keep doubleposting, i think i'll stop now
deliberately had their poisoner poison their fellow ally
and bank on people thinking that that person couldn't possibly be a dissenter since they were harmed by said people
... i'm sorry, i keep doubleposting, i think i'll stop now
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
If someone CC's then we have a 50% chance of lynching anti-town on that day, and a 100% chance of lynching anti-town over the space of two days. Why do you not think this is good? None of the PR we have are valuable enough to warrant giving up these improved statistics. Add to that the fact that the Mafia potentially have 2/3 kills per night, and read Notty's post summing up the numbers each faction will have as the game progresses under optimal townie circumstances, and you must understand why massclaiming gives us far more likelihood of managing to pull through than not doing.
Nobody should be doing this because this would only lead to chaos, as you said, and since they're town they have no reason to do that.
Then that person either dies the next morning or is saved by the Mafia doctor and thus we know they're likely Mafia because why would mafia waste 2 doc/poison actions just to frame one person. And the town tox won't save them since they could die to the bus driver
I trust you enough as a person to have you in the council, and have faith that between you me aqua and ender, at least three are town.
Ender's pretty smart, aqua seems to be of a similar mindset, and tbh I view you as a potential voice of reason in this madness, as I respect you as the type to weigh things carefully before putting in a word.
Inf I believe to be dissenter or rev, and same with notty, but since we don't currently have three clears, there's no reason to put both on the council.
If the situation doesn't change by the end of voting, I'd like inf executed tomorrow with notty being slated for the same the day after. Council can decide on an investigation, or failing that, elect a dictator.