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Try again ;)
I don't feel like elaborating on that just yet; I want to wait until others, or at least Endy sees this and see how they react (though I'll say it before then if I get impatient)

Right now though, there are other things I'd like to point out;

You're goading us. It absolutely feels like you're goading us at this point, what kind of person keeps insisting on Day 1 and during the evening council that we should go straight for autocracy and when that goes really badly say 'oh no what a shocker' with the most smug, infuriating meme picture in the first post of Day 2 if this wasn't your intention? I considered the idea that you might be the revolutionary but the revolutionary wouldn't put such a target on their back like this when all of their win conditions involve surviving to the last day of the game. You're planning on getting someone killed tonight through Acedia[/color=red], the granny role. Maybe through Ira, too, if you don't have the role yourself. You want someone to target their action on you so that they die.

I'd imagine that this is too suicidal a choice to take, even for mafia, but after last night, I see it otherwise. We were supposed to be able to lynch someone today, but we can't because of the system switch- now we have to elect another council. You are very much able to abuse the system to survive.
 

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So you want a democracy with yourself and the 3 most suspicious people? Not trying to sound accusatory or anything, just genuinely curious and want to confirm what you want to do considering you're the only person who's confirmed atm.
not necessarily. i admit i considered it for a second but we need three people to subpoena a person and who knows what those three suspicious people will do
 

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notty claimed citizen in council chat and likely told her mafia buddies to kill hunter in an attempt to frame me as the revo

also her behaviour feels a lot like tavern arcana day 2
I mean I'm claiming Revo right now so I don't think I'm framing you. Besides nothing is going to happen to me because the town is now even more depentant on my help and if you decide to lynch me tomorrow that means tonight 3 people die and tomorrow night 2 more while the town has still yet to get rid of 1 Mafia unless Ltin was one. Plus you'd need to put me in the council again in order to lynch me which I personally think is a very good idea
 

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I'd imagine that this is too suicidal a choice to take, even for mafia, but after last night, I see it otherwise. We were supposed to be able to lynch someone today, but we can't because of the system switch- now we have to elect another council. You are very much able to abuse the system to survive.
Told ya
But jesus, 4 people dead? None of them scum?
This went faster than expected.

btw here is the list of my intuitive suspicions:
everyone - suspicious

Expected something else? Too bad, wah
 

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I mean I'm claiming Revo right now so I don't think I'm framing you. Besides nothing is going to happen to me because the town is now even more depentant on my help and if you decide to lynch me tomorrow that means tonight 3 people die and tomorrow night 2 more while the town has still yet to get rid of 1 Mafia unless Ltin was one. Plus you'd need to put me in the council again in order to lynch me which I personally think is a very good idea
fair enough

i'd say we proceed with democracy with notty on the council so that we lynch her tomorrow, then we go from there
 

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I suggest that we go autocracy. We elect the 4 trusted townies(those 4 townies inffy claimed we can spare) and during the night they can choose a dictator, either one of them, or someone else. Notty(revo) will likely kill anyone she suspects could be the dictator, so I suggest that the council choose someone outside the council to be dictator(we might have to massclaim though). This will allow the dictator to execute a scummy player (*EHRM* like Scarble for example). If Notty actually kills the dictator tonight, it puts the mafia in a situation where they have to kill her, becaue otherwise Notty will steal the victory from them.
 

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i claimed in the council chat after she had
this confuses me. by outing yourself to the entire town as assassin, you're essentially saying you think notty's mafia (since mafia would then know who you are and there's no point staying hidden). this is contradicted by the fact that you confirmed your role instead of saying it was bullshiti suppose fali might have called you out, but she thinks notty's mafia and likely would have cottoned on (imo) and in any case i'm sure she would have respected not outing you as assassin to the mafia on the off-chance notty is innocent
 

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i can't make good plans. i hate being put in a position where i have to make hard decisions, which is why we near-unanimously elected hunter as the dictator- and since notty was suggesting me as the dictator because of how unexpected it is earlier in the thread, i figured the mafia would figure that we'd do that and try to kill me, so hunter would be less expected instead. but then, i'm the useless one. hunter would have been considered more dangerous no matter who ended up the dictator.


do not say this. i do not want to hear anyone else say something like this. i said it to notty in the council, and i'll say it here; there is never only one way to win a game. notty's pure stubborness in believing that continuing with democracy will mean an automatic loss really exhausted me over the council, and then we all went for autocracy anyway. and now i'm hearing this again because of how badly it went? if i hear anyone iterate anything similar to this fucking sentence one more time, i am going to snap. last night went badly. it went really badly, and now we're already down one democracy and one autocracy. that is no excuse to start crying bitter tears that we've lost already. we still have 4 systems to go.
Thing is, this is a human made game

If I want I can make a setup in which it is literally impossible to win as town and setup the game and have people sign up and watch them suffer

Not saying Priz did this on purpose but Mafia get at least 2 kills every night while they have an assassin + possibly more with the Granny role too, and we also have a revolutionary

I don't want to make you snap but I just don't see us realistically winning this

You can call Notty stubborn all you like but she, and everyone else supporting her plan, had reasons for supporting what they did, and nobody has ever managed to prove us wrong, so for everyone constantly saying we're stubborn I think they might be the stubborn ones

no. i refuse to go with this plan again. did you not see how badly it went last night?

the whistleblower, especially, must not be outed. that kind of role is best kept hidden, because the mafia will either avoid them or kill them while the info they might hold is still mostly useless.

and the other useless pr role? which one, protester or subversive? because both are far from useless, it's just that they can only do what they can under specific systems, and as has been proved very clearly last night you never know when the system is going to switch. also, bad stuff happens to both the second they represent in court (and don't you dare say 'don't let them subpoena', with this kind of plan you never know what two of the council members are going to be and they may just kill the only confirmed council member that can go to court)

and if the mafia themselves consider these roles useless compared to others, who can say they don't go for people who aren't in the council? when certain roles are separated from others, it makes the candidate list for other roles clearer. we still have a toxicologist, an assassin, a bunch of investigative roles. roles that are useful in nature and no doubt something the mafia want gone

there are still six or seven dissenters, depending on whether ltin was one or not. they can still murder people very easily. whose to say that they don't do what they did last night and kill a good deal of the conformists in the council?

you want to know what i want to do? vote based off our suspicions and beliefs. that's it. it may leave more room for uncertainty in the town, but it also leaves room for uncertainty in the mafia. unless they really like living on the edge, they don't want a game over just as much as we do. this admittedly doesn't sound very wise, though, so it would be nice if someone made a better plan than that. just please, god, do not go with the same plan from last night.
It went badly but we were expecting dictator to be killed, tonight.

If we went with democracy we'd be in the same situation except Ltin would be alive (although I did town-read Ltin it's possible he was Mafia) and if Caff was killed by assassin, she'd be poisoned instead.

It also went wrong because we didn't elect 5 uncc townies like we were supposed to do ideally and so Mafia/Rev had 1/3 chance of guessing it correctly

If we do democracy now on the basis of "look how badly autocracy went" we're jumping in lava because the water was too cold, in my opinion, unless we manage to miraculously kill the poisoner in the next couple of days then we simply get out numbered, just the way Mafia goes, people die and you lose if you don't keep up with the death toll

no. i refuse to go with this plan again. did you not see how badly it went last night?

the whistleblower, especially, must not be outed. that kind of role is best kept hidden, because the mafia will either avoid them or kill them while the info they might hold is still mostly useless.

and the other useless pr role? which one, protester or subversive? because both are far from useless, it's just that they can only do what they can under specific systems, and as has been proved very clearly last night you never know when the system is going to switch. also, bad stuff happens to both the second they represent in court (and don't you dare say 'don't let them subpoena', with this kind of plan you never know what two of the council members are going to be and they may just kill the only confirmed council member that can go to court)

and if the mafia themselves consider these roles useless compared to others, who can say they don't go for people who aren't in the council? when certain roles are separated from others, it makes the candidate list for other roles clearer. we still have a toxicologist, an assassin, a bunch of investigative roles. roles that are useful in nature and no doubt something the mafia want gone

there are still six or seven dissenters, depending on whether ltin was one or not. they can still murder people very easily. whose to say that they don't do what they did last night and kill a good deal of the conformists in the council?

you want to know what i want to do? vote based off our suspicions and beliefs. that's it. it may leave more room for uncertainty in the town, but it also leaves room for uncertainty in the mafia. unless they really like living on the edge, they don't want a game over just as much as we do. this admittedly doesn't sound very wise, though, so it would be nice if someone made a better plan than that. just please, god, do not go with the same plan from last night.
Yeah this is true, we'll have to start outing the powerful roles now to fill the council, but protester and whistleblower are both useless in democracy so if we did go with autocracy then we'd be fine using those two

We can try going with democracy and just relying on the fact we manage to stop the poisoner I guess but keep in mind, if we don't, even if we lynch completely accurately, pretty sure we won't win still (but can't confirm that since I haven't done the math yet)

you want to know what i want to do? vote based off our suspicions and beliefs. that's it. it may leave more room for uncertainty in the town, but it also leaves room for uncertainty in the mafia. unless they really like living on the edge, they don't want a game over just as much as we do. this admittedly doesn't sound very wise, though, so it would be nice if someone made a better plan than that. just please, god, do not go with the same plan from last night.
We will vote/kill based off suspicions and vibes regardless of what we do, but either way, in democracy we'd ideally have 3 confirmed town, with autocracy we'd have 3 confirmed town

notty is mafia
notty is definitely mafia and i have proof coming right out of the council chat
???

I don't feel like elaborating on that just yet; I want to wait until others, or at least Endy sees this and see how they react (though I'll say it before then if I get impatient)

Right now though, there are other things I'd like to point out;

You're goading us. It absolutely feels like you're goading us at this point, what kind of person keeps insisting on Day 1 and during the evening council that we should go straight for autocracy and when that goes really badly say 'oh no what a shocker' with the most smug, infuriating meme picture in the first post of Day 2 if this wasn't your intention? I considered the idea that you might be the revolutionary but the revolutionary wouldn't put such a target on their back like this when all of their win conditions involve surviving to the last day of the game. You're planning on getting someone killed tonight through Acedia[/color=red], the granny role. Maybe through Ira, too, if you don't have the role yourself. You want someone to target their action on you so that they die.

I'd imagine that this is too suicidal a choice to take, even for mafia, but after last night, I see it otherwise. We were supposed to be able to lynch someone today, but we can't because of the system switch- now we have to elect another council. You are very much able to abuse the system to survive.
I'm pretty sure it's a joke

I mean I'm claiming Revo right now so I don't think I'm framing you. Besides nothing is going to happen to me because the town is now even more depentant on my help and if you decide to lynch me tomorrow that means tonight 3 people die and tomorrow night 2 more while the town has still yet to get rid of 1 Mafia unless Ltin was one. Plus you'd need to put me in the council again in order to lynch me which I personally think is a very good idea
ok nvm

So you're seriously the Rev?

Im so lost???????

Told ya
But jesus, 4 people dead? None of them scum?
Ltin could have been
 

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You're goading us. It absolutely feels like you're goading us at this point, what kind of person keeps insisting on Day 1 and during the evening council that we should go straight for autocracy and when that goes really badly say 'oh no what a shocker' with the most smug, infuriating meme picture in the first post of Day 2 if this wasn't your intention? I considered the idea that you might be the revolutionary but the revolutionary wouldn't put such a target on their back like this when all of their win conditions involve surviving to the last day of the game. You're planning on getting someone killed tonight through Acedia[/color=red], the granny role. Maybe through Ira, too, if you don't have the role yourself. You want someone to target their action on you so that they die.
Y'know when I made a post about notty clearly trying to manipulate town? That.
 

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this confuses me. by outing yourself to the entire town as assassin, you're essentially saying you think notty's mafia (since mafia would then know who you are and there's no point staying hidden). this is contradicted by the fact that you confirmed your role instead of saying it was bullshiti suppose fali might have called you out, but she thinks notty's mafia and likely would have cottoned on (imo) and in any case i'm sure she would have respected not outing you as assassin to the mafia on the off-chance notty is innocent
>implying i think about this shit when i've just woken up
>implying i don't still think notty is maf
>implying maf would care about me saying it's bullshit when notty has already outed me

i'm just trying to avoid confusion here since that would only lead to town losing the small chance it has left since there'd be some bullshit argument about how i am or aren't assassin
 

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I suggest that we go autocracy. We elect the 4 trusted townies(those 4 townies inffy claimed we can spare) and during the night they can choose a dictator, either one of them, or someone else. Notty(revo) will likely kill anyone she suspects could be the dictator, so I suggest that the council choose someone outside the council to be dictator(we might have to massclaim though). This will allow the dictator to execute a scummy player (*EHRM* like Scarble for example). If Notty actually kills the dictator tonight, it puts the mafia in a situation where they have to kill her, becaue otherwise Notty will steal the victory from them.
They can only elect people on the council, but the fact Mafia is forced to kill Notty is good actually yeah

this confuses me. by outing yourself to the entire town as assassin, you're essentially saying you think notty's mafia (since mafia would then know who you are and there's no point staying hidden). this is contradicted by the fact that you confirmed your role instead of saying it was bullshiti suppose fali might have called you out, but she thinks notty's mafia and likely would have cottoned on (imo) and in any case i'm sure she would have respected not outing you as assassin to the mafia on the off-chance notty is innocent
If Notty was Mafia and Ender claimed Assassins she'd have told her Mafia buddies already
 
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