Republic - Completed

[Aqua]

I'm really glad notty's rating all my posts funny, people will think I'm funny after this game is over

 

[Danni122112]

ok then why is that danni

Short version:
We can kill notty today a mafia, might even be a strong mafia role.

We can kill someone else, and possibly hit a villager. You agree that if we mislynch a villager now, we will be in a horrible spot?

 

[Nottykitten]

Her calculations assumes that a) people will never claim when they are about to be lynched, they will simply accept the loss

Yes when someone is about to be lynched and they claim everyone is going to change their vote to someone else

OWAIT they cant since all other people that could be lynched are on the council and are unCC'd townies hahahahahah

b) autocracy with massclaiming and democracy has the same ammount of mislynches that can be made to win and that it is 0

Autocracy + massclaim guaranteed 1 Mafia kill and a 75% chance of a second Mafia death after today's lynch. Good thing town collectively decided to instead not massclaim and elect the Revo into the council.

c) PRs has no relevance whatsoever when it comes to figuring out who is mafia

Me: 'we're lynching a Mafia every single day in this scenario'
Random naysayers: BUT IN THIS SCENARIO YOURE NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE PR'S THEY COULD HELP US FIND MAFIA SO THAT INSTEAD OF LYNCHING A MAFIA EVERY DAY WE'RE ACTUALLY LYNCHING A MAFIA EVERY SINGLE DAY WITH THE HELP OF OUR PRs

god you people

d) rev will always kill town, despite that no one has claimed, so how will they know and

Probs because I was refuting Hunters points here

e) assassin doesn't exist in both scenarios (this would in fact be true only for autocracy since mafia kills him as fast as he claims). So yes, her calculations doesn't in any way prove that it is better

Thank you for repeating a point I've already spoken out about 284849 times yesterday


Guys I'm so glad we're back to arguing whether or not autocracy d1 was good (which it was if you silly people actually elected 5 unCC'd people) instead of, I don't know maybe arguing about whats happening TODAY

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Me: 'we're lynching a Mafia every single day in this scenario'
Random naysayers: BUT IN THIS SCENARIO YOURE NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE PR'S THEY COULD HELP US FIND MAFIA SO THAT INSTEAD OF LYNCHING A MAFIA EVERY DAY WE'RE ACTUALLY LYNCHING A MAFIA EVERY SINGLE DAY WITH THE HELP OF OUR PRs

lol this pretty much sums up 90% of the argument I've had with hunter, fali or aqua

 

[Aqua]

lol this pretty much sums up 90% of the argument I've had with hunter, fali or aqua

>Never once disputed the inaccuracies of lynching mafia every day
>did dispute the inaccuracies of a constant stream of mafia and rev kills on town without falter

 

[Infected_alien8_]

>Never once disputed the inaccuracies of lynching mafia every day

im pretty sure you did

 

[Aqua]

im pretty sure you did

Well I didn't, nor did hunter iirc.

You just didn't read what we were saying at the time my bubble boy buddy.

 

[Nottykitten]

I don’t see why rev would even have to drag suspiciousn to themselves, town can always be trusted to fuck itself over. If you want to fuck town, just kill townies in the night, there is literally no reason for you to step out from he shadows, unless you have to.

This is my main point, not trying to stay hidden as rev is so insanely stupid I just can’t fathom notty doing it.

Revo cannot win if they stay hidden. Since

A) They won't become dictator
B) Town/Mafia will never go through 3 autocracies
C) They won't make it to the last 3 without convincing the town that they need them aka being out in the open

Please name me one win condition where the Revo wins when they stay hidden because there isn't one

>Never once disputed the inaccuracies of lynching mafia every day
>did dispute the inaccuracies of a constant stream of mafia and rev kills on town without falter

Me: This is the optimal scenario for the town, where we lynch a Mafia every single day, and this shows that we have no room for error!
Aqua: THERE ARE INACCURACIES ABOUT LYNCHING A MAFIA EVERY DAY, THAT WILL REALISTICALLY NEVER HAPPEN AND BECAUSE OF THAT WE SHOULDN'T LISTEN TO THE OPTIMAL SCENARIO BECAUSE ITS DEPICTS THE BEST CHANCE THE TOWN HAS WHICH WE CLEARLY WILL NEVER ACCOMPLISH.

Shut up notty ur a smelly poopy pants

So I bring up a good point and instead of responding to it you're going to insult me because you know you're wrong. Classic Aqua right here.

You litterally say that if I kill a towny tonight the town will lose, yet you're giving me no choice but killing a towny tonight so really you're not making any sense.

 

[Dess]

Elect: Listings, Ender, Fali, Aqua

 

[Aqua]

So you did the math yet you are going with the strategy that is going to cause EXACTLY that??????

I didn't answer this because the point is null. Regardless of whether you're the rev or not if you don't kill a mafia tonight or can't give evidence to support it was your doing then you're also going to lose as we will lynch you.

If you are indeed the rev you need us as much as we need you so threatening to cost us the game really isn't in your power so Ooglie101 or Infected_alien8_ really shouldn't be fooled by them.

 

[Aqua]

Elect: Listings, Ender, Fali, Aqua

can't remember if you have claimed, but claim anyway.

 

[Unusual_Dood]

Yes when someone is about to be lynched and they claim everyone is going to change their vote to someone else

OWAIT they cant since all other people that could be lynched are on the council and are unCC'd townies hahahahahah

They will likely choose someone else in this case, so yes this cant be assumed.

Autocracy + massclaim guaranteed 1 Mafia kill and a 75% chance of a second Mafia death after today's lynch.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

Me: 'we're lynching a Mafia every single day in this scenario'
Random naysayers: BUT IN THIS SCENARIO YOURE NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE PR'S THEY COULD HELP US FIND MAFIA SO THAT INSTEAD OF LYNCHING A MAFIA EVERY DAY WE'RE ACTUALLY LYNCHING A MAFIA EVERY SINGLE DAY WITH THE HELP OF OUR PRs

Yes... thats how it works. PRs can apparently only assist us finding mafias if that person is being lynched anyway.
You are giving a numerous of combinations that could happen, and apparently only 1 will lead to us winning, but misses out that there will be some more when PRs gets likely mafs.

Thank you for repeating a point I've already spoken out about 284849 times yesterday

Np.

 

[Aqua]

They will likely choose someone else in this case, so yes this cant be assumed.


I don't understand what you are trying to say here.


Yes... thats how it works. PRs can apparently only assist us finding mafias if that person is being lynched anyway.
You are giving a numerous of combinations that could happen, and apparently only 1 will lead to us winning, but misses out that there will be some more when PRs gets likely mafs.


Np.

Can you claim also, I don't recall you claiming either.

 

[Mooglie]

If you are indeed the rev you need us as much as we need you so threatening to cost us the game really isn't in your power so Ooglie101 or Infected_alien8_ really shouldn't be fooled by them.

what??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
yes i agree with this
which is why i dont want notty lynched???????????????????????
literally you're admitting we need the rev and the rev needs us but if notty is the rev and you're 100% going to lynch them tomorrow then they are very obviously going to just kill a townie out of spite and surprise we lose the game???????????

 

[Unusual_Dood]

Also Im not trying to say democracy is the better or the opposite. I'm just saying that those calculations doesn't prove anything

 

[Nottykitten]

Also Im not trying to say democracy is the better or the opposite. I'm just saying that those calculations doesn't prove anything

I literally say those calculations don't mean anything in the very post you quoted. Because those were Hunters calculations and I was proving him how wrong they were by applying his calculatoins/logic.

So I guess you're saying you agree with me in which case thanks?

 

[Aqua]

literally you're admitting we need the rev and the rev needs us but if notty is the rev and you're 100% going to lynch them tomorrow then they are very obviously going to just kill a townie out of spite and surprise we lose the game???????????

We need rev to kill mafia tonight, 100%. After that it depends on our actions, mafia's actions and rev's actions.

I do not believe notty is rev but either way she is in no position to negotiate with our demands as she will also lose.

 

[Aqua]

I literally say those calculations don't mean anything in the very post you quoted. Because those were Hunters calculations and I was proving him how wrong they were by applying his calculatoins/logic.

So I guess you're saying you agree with me in which case thanks?

Hunter was arguing you were using misleading numbers to try and convince people who didn't/couldn't do the calculation for themselves which, in hindsight although I believed it at the time, you did on purpose.

Hunter wasn't supporting an autocracy without a massclaim, no one was.

 

[Mooglie]

We need rev to kill mafia tonight, 100%. After that it depends on our actions, mafia's actions and rev's actions.

I do not believe notty is rev but either way she is in no position to negotiate with our demands as she will also lose.

explain to me how taking the chance notty is mafia and lynching them tomorrow is better than not lynching the one person who makes us lose the game tonight

 

[Dess]

can't remember if you have claimed, but claim anyway.

I claimed like right after I asked the question about if it was really a good idea I am the whistleblower

 

[Unusual_Dood]

I literally say those calculations don't mean anything in the very post you quoted. Because those were Hunters calculations and I was proving him how wrong they were by applying his calculatoins/logic.

So I guess you're saying you agree with me in which case thanks?

This was a respond to Inffy not you

 

[Mooglie]

explain to me how taking the chance notty is mafia and lynching them tomorrow is better than not lynching the one person who makes us lose the game tonight

this was phrased badly but

if notty is mafia, lynching them tomorrow is not that big of a woop

if notty is rev, lynching them tomorrow guarantees our loss (since notty will sabotage us tonight)

there is literally NO REASON TO LYNCH

 

[Infected_alien8_]

This was a respond to Inffy not you

It proves aqua's point wrong that hunter's discovery of notty's flaw meant notty's argument was detrimental to town

that's the whole reason we were discussing it

 

[Mooglie]

Rev's primary win conditions are unorthodox and are designed so rev has to actually play the game rather than sitting in the background being bulletproof and jointing with dissenters at the end of the game. You have to understand that with the faction division being 18-7-1 at the start of the game and each faction having (ideally) an equal chance of victory, rev needs to be able to do a lot of things by themselves to make up for their extreme numerical disadvantage.

I really dislike setups with lazy SK roles which can joint win with mafia. Rev is not one of those roles.

also to all the people wondering why the rev cant just sit back and stay quiet and do nothing
from the hosts mouth

 

[Aqua]

explain to me how taking the chance notty is mafia and lynching them tomorrow is better than not lynching the one person who makes us lose the game tonight

It's called calling her bluff oog.

If she can prove she's rev then we may not lynch her tomorrow.

If she can't/kills a townie then we do lynch her. Why are you being so stubborn to let notty do whatever she wants and just have town "rely" on her.

This is way less likely for the game to turn out in towns favour than it would to just lynch her and carry on, on our own.