The Pearled Bridge - Game Complete!

[Infected_alien8_]

This is wrong - I never defended Aqua, I wanted to no lynch.

wanting a no lynch was basically defending aqua at that point, it had the same effect, trying to not lynch aqua

I've answered this before.

Because it was one of the premises of the Aqua lynch, that you would have big reads on players, and you obviously failed to keep that promise.

first of all, I said the aqua lynch would get us reads and information. and it did. if it didn't, prove me wrong on that. I got a read on you from it, I got a read on rune from it. if aqua flipped mafia then my read on you and rune would be different. so I've potentially caught a mafia and found a townie through that lynch, which is valuable information to have. my town read on hip is also amplified thanks to his last second change of vote on aqua, which wouldn't have happened if we didn't have the bandwagon that we had.

if you have a problem that I don't suddenly have the entire mafia team pinned down then that's on you for having unrealistic expectations and making an assumption of how much information we'd get <3 and this in no way is an argument in respect to my alignment, just because you were expecting more from me that doesn't make me mafia

I didn't say I'd have 'big reads on players' ever, nor did I fail to keep my promise, in fact I never even made a 'promise' and the fact you keep wording it like that smells of agenda-hyperbole

Comp's read was before Aqua's lynch, when certain *ahem* players wanted to lynch comp. I'll give you that we gained reads on Hip - but is this really how we want to proceed the next days? Would you really consider a town's life, or our doctor if you want (he practically was), to be a good trade against one good read? Is this really how we're going to proceed the next days?

why are you acting like you knew aqua was gonna flip town? we didn't say 'aqua's town but let's trade him off for one read', we said he could be mafia. it was you who seemed to base your argument on the fact aqua would flip town. gee I wonder why you'd be so sure of that

and we couldn't have known how many reads we'd have gotten from the lynch until after it happened, we couldn't have known who'd have jumped on the bandwagon, who'd have resisted, what reasons everyone would have given, right until the moment the day ended, because there was still time left in the day for all of that to happen

 

[TheWeakGuy48_]

No, but it's certainly how you usually proceed with the first lynch of a game. Its risky and you have no Info, based solely on gut feelings and small reads which then make a basis for further reads.

I see what you mean here. It is true that the lynch wasn't worthless per se, but losing a town member, and a doctor nonetheless, for one good read, is certainly not a good trade.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

first of all, I said the aqua lynch would get us reads and information. and it did. if it didn't, prove me wrong on that. I got a read on you from it, I got a read on rune from it. if aqua flipped mafia then my read on you and rune would be different. so I've potentially caught a mafia and found a townie through that lynch, which is valuable information to have. my town read on hip is also amplified thanks to his last second change of vote on aqua, which wouldn't have happened if we didn't have the bandwagon that we had.

and also even if you are somehow town and so the argument of 'I potentially got mafia from it' is dismissed, I still got a townread on rune and an amplified town read on rune which is still valuable information based on the lynch

 

[Nottykitten]

I see what you mean here. It is true that the lynch wasn't worthless per se, but losing a town member, and a doctor nonetheless, for one good read, is certainly not a good trade.

It was either that or a no lynch and 0 good reads. Difference is we didn't actively lynch a town member just because we wanted to get reads, we tried to get a Mafia and failed with our concelation price being atleast one good read.

 

[Nottykitten]

and also even if you are somehow town and so the argument of 'I potentially got mafia from it' is dismissed, I still got a townread on rune and an amplified town read on rune which is still valuable information based on the lynch

You should claim your powers

 

[Infected_alien8_]

and also even if you are somehow town and so the argument of 'I potentially got mafia from it' is dismissed, I still got a townread on rune and an amplified town read on rune which is still valuable information based on the lynch

but the point of your argument is that it didn't give me reads, not that it didn't give me accurate reads, so that doesn't matter

I still don't even see why the argument you have would make me mafia though

 

[Infected_alien8_]

You should claim your powers

I'd rather wait until after you claim

 

[Mooglie]

Hi how are you doing

Moog - he's a bit quiet? but don't think that's relevant to his alignment so no opinion

moog - acting strange (could sway either way)

Hk/Unu/Oog slight bad vibes.

back off
also i had that aqua quote in my multiquote and i have 0 idea why its there so ill post it
also notty is a serial killer likely with a PID/TID kill & inf is mafia (idk his abilities) thanks
i see more value in keeping SK alive

vote Infected_alien8_

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I'd rather wait until after you claim

(this was a jokey post just because I want you to claim btw I'm not 'promising' I'll claim once you do, your claim is irrelevant to mine)

 

[Mooglie]

You should claim your powers

also notty is a serial killer likely with a PID/TID kill

i lied notty is intentionally making it obvious so could still be maf just trying to get the benefits of an SK being better to keep alive
still its better to not risk lynching SK over a mafia rn!!!

 

[Nottykitten]

back off
also i had that aqua quote in my multiquote and i have 0 idea why its there so ill post it
also notty is a serial killer likely with a PID/TID kill & inf is mafia (idk his abilities) thanks
i see more value in keeping SK alive

vote Infected_alien8_

If I am the SK how come I didn't kill anyone last night or do you think I got blocked somehow? Also I smell a bandwagon

Vote Inf

 

[Mooglie]

If I am the SK how come I didn't kill anyone last night or do you think I got blocked somehow? Also I smell a bandwagon

Vote Inf

pid/tid would require you to know the persons role details & aqua was the only one that claimed and he got lynched so!!!!

 

[Infected_alien8_]

oog can you ask notty to claim

 

[Nottykitten]

pid/tid would require you to know the persons role details & aqua was the only one that claimed and he got lynched so!!!!

To be fair I didn't know pid was a thing since for some reason its not grouped with rid and tid but sure thats a good explanation

 

[hipmeow]

nah i dont think notty is SK, i bet shes an arsonist (i have no evidence backing this up, but i thought id bring it up just to remind people i think its possible for arsonists to exist)

 

[Nottykitten]

Actually there is appearently a possibility of poison aswell

 

[Infected_alien8_]

does anyone know if gasolined players get told they're gasolined? I can't find it in the thread

 

[Mooglie]

oog can you ask notty to claim

no sorry i have a very specific speech compulsion that means i cant do this
woops i just autofailed!!
but idc about claiming since i'm gonna be convinced anyway
how convenient you want your MAFIA BUDDY to have SUPPORT from OTHER PEOPLE to CLAIM after you both COORDINATED A FAKE CLAIM IN MAFIA CHAT LAST NIGHT
(also that reminds me of twg randomly capitalising words in his post before hes adopted the best mafia posting style)

 

[Infected_alien8_]

no sorry i have a very specific speech compulsion that means i cant do this
woops i just autofailed!!
but idc about claiming since i'm gonna be convinced anyway
how convenient you want your MAFIA BUDDY to have SUPPORT from OTHER PEOPLE to CLAIM after you both COORDINATED A FAKE CLAIM IN MAFIA CHAT LAST NIGHT
(also that reminds me of twg randomly capitalising words in his post before hes adopted the best mafia posting style)

if you don't care can you just ask her to anyway since I care

 

[Nottykitten]

does anyone know if gasolined players get told they're gasolined? I can't find it in the thread

Spoiler alert they don't

 

[Infected_alien8_]

but yeah notty is third party I'm like 98% sure now

 

[Mooglie]

if you don't care can you just ask her to anyway since I care

no

 

[Infected_alien8_]

well she could be mafia I guess

she's not town though since why would she bandwagon me if she thinks I'm townie just because she refuses to believe all three of me/notty/aqua are town, that isn't a townie mindset to me, like why do you refuse to believe that

 

[Unusual_Dood]

why are you capitalizing the word 'IDENTICAL' and then admitting they're not identical, they've had changes made to them? that was the whole point of the lynch, to give us information. that's what it did to my list, it made me have more reads than it did before.

Because as I in fact said, they are 'pretty much IDENTICAL'. From a player who has all game argued that 'gaining information' is an important reason for the lynch day 0, I had really expected more than one or two 'adjusments' plus a huge suspicion increase on TWG. It seems like you just picked someone you wanted to town read and some to mafia read out from the situation, while in reality their actions were the same - they voted Aqua.

and I've already outlined why I have a different read for rune vs twg who both voted a townie. voting a townie in and of itself doesn't mean you're mafia. town don't know who the other town are, so of course it's easily possible townies voted him - I know for a fact I did, so why can't others have done? it's about the nature of the vote that counts - the timing, the reasons they gave, what my intuition tells me about it now that I know aqua's alignment.

twg's vote made 0 sense. he went from insisting we don't lynch aqua, to suddenly voting him 'to be fair', now saying it was because 'oh I've been there when I've wanted a lynch but people were afk so I felt bad' - I don't buy it one bit. he didn't find aqua suspicious, he didn't agree with me that it'd get us information, so why would he, as a townie, vote aqua, just because he felt bad about afkers? it makes no sense to me

on top of that, even when I first read it before aqua was lynched, it just felt so off vibe-wise, and felt like he wasn't truly genuinely concerned about the aqua lynch, he had an agenda for defending aqua - it was way too forceful for someone who supposedly doesn't know if aqua is mafia or not

and his pattern of behaviour - going from defending aqua loads, to suddenly voting him, and the vibes that go with it, and my intuition, all come together to make me think twg was defending aqua as a way to seem townie and then voted because he did actually want aqua dead all along. the fact he's using the argument of 'but I resisted yet you town-read me' further persuades me that that's what he was doing, because yesterday he was in the mindset of 'it won't be this black and white', yet now suddenly I'm scum because I think he's scum even though he resisted the lynch. it's a complete switch in mindset and I think it's because he's not saying what he truly believes, he's saying what benefits him in the moment

rune however I town read on his vote, I already gave my reasons for that in my post, if you want clarification then let me know

essentially it's not 'twg voted aqua = mafia', it's not that simple, it's the way he voted

and the way he voted was different to rune

Yes, I see your reasonings, but have very hard time seing how you, as town, can be so extremly certain on who is mafia and town, based on those things, when really both a mafia and townie could have done and said the exact same. And, I also have trouble seing how you aren't questioning anyone except TWG.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Because as I in fact said, they are 'pretty much IDENTICAL'. From a player who has all game argued that 'gaining information' is an important reason for the lynch day 0, I had really expected more than one or two 'adjusments' plus a huge suspicion increase on TWG. It seems like you just picked someone you wanted to town read and some to mafia read out from the situation, while in reality their actions were the same - they voted Aqua.



Yes, I see your reasonings, but have very hard time seing how you, as town, can be so extremly certain on who is mafia and town, based on those things, when really both a mafia and townie could have done and said the exact same. And, I also have trouble seing how you aren't questioning anyone except TWG.

so if you expect more reads, surely you have more reads then right? so what are they?

like you can say all you want 'you said you wanted info but you didn't get much???' but if you're also in the same boat as not having as much info, why are you acting like it's my responsibility for the lack of info?

and yeah sure TWG 'could' be town, rune 'could' be mafia, there's always a 'could', but I feel it in my bones TWG is mafia so I'm certain of it, this isn't unusual for me to trust my intuition about these things