Mafia: Saints & Sinners - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

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please

answer these two questions

1: why didnt you think alisha was viable d0 but was d1
2: what is your stance on making deals with devil d0, good idea or bad idea
(ive asked everyone question #2 not just you, and i tagged you 5 times since youve missed me/ignored me the last 4 times i asked)
 

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Although my I'm still certain in my convictions I'll humour you.

Do you understand why inf and I are voting you?
I feel you're voting me as:
1) I was linked to Alisha day 1 as she was seeming the most scummy and I refused to vote unless it was the hammer (as I believe she is likey to be town)
2) I attempted to make a deal with the devil. As everybody thinks its this bad thing but unless somebody tried it how would we know how it functions / the consequences. With the role I have, I hold no real abilities to getting info is about as useful as I can be.
3) Me bringing Unu into the spotlight. Yeah his role could be town, but it could equally be mafia - and I personally don't see how his role would be useful for the town in this game.
4) What I say 90% of the time only makes sense to me - but that's the way I am, I have a very unique viewpoint and not everybody understands it.
5) I'm White
 

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Fog do you think the devil and mafia can communicate at night?
I’m not 100% sure. I mean it plays into my theory that maybe Unu is the devil and was hunting for a sinner to communicate with. Because he stated he messaged me as I seemed suspicious - which I found strange but you know, get all the info you can. Might again explain why my deal was rejected as I claimed to be a townie and they weren’t interested?

That’s just a theory tho. It could be possible that they can freely speak in the night - but if that’s the case why would the devil give anybody powers?
 

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1) I was linked to Alisha day 1 as she was seeming the most scummy and I refused to vote unless it was the hammer (as I believe she is likey to be town)
No, as I had thought inf and I had made pretty clear, none of us are particularly interested in your vote - sure it was very unhelpful, but in no way does that push your alignment in any direction, for all we could have known you went afk and missed the deadline or you, as a townie genuinely did believe alisha.

2) I attempted to make a deal with the devil. As everybody thinks its this bad thing but unless somebody tried it how would we know how it functions / the consequences. With the role I have, I hold no real abilities to getting info is about as useful as I can be.
Sort of but not really - you attempting to make a deal with the devil altho going against the general wishes of town wouldn't make you scum because for you to DWTD you'd have to be a townie to begin with.

These 2 combined, however are the more accurate reason for our distrust of you.

You claimed, with no real reason to do so (other than claiming people were gonna vote you after not hammering alisha), despite the fact that it was made painfully clear no more sinners should claim and in a way that implied an inherent ulterior motive - at the beginning of the day with an entire articulate explanation written out.

It was drastically harmful to the town, unwarranted and seemed unnaturally planned. My assumption at the time was you had prepared the claim to use as an out if suspicion did rise on you - but due to your drunken ways and over confidence in your plan you jumped the gun and claimed too early. I still believe this altho I'm not sure if it was because you were drunk or whether you were just that over confident in your plan.

3) Me bringing Unu into the spotlight. Yeah his role could be town, but it could equally be mafia - and I personally don't see how his role would be useful for the town in this game.
Again not really - obviously prior to this we already suspected you, but the way you tried to ominously build up revealing unu lying or atleast misrepresenting what was said in this chat and then backtracking when he finally called you out on it seems very suspicious. The reasonable thing to do would just to explain what happened and then say that if the other party wants to reveal himself he can, but instead you played it up dramatically seemingly to make unu seem overtly suspicious.

4) What I say 90% of the time only makes sense to me - but that's the way I am, I have a very unique viewpoint and not everybody understands it.
Autism is a serious disorder after all.

5) I'm White
This.
But I also didn't ask, don't care, plus you're white so

If you want to improve in future games as mafia or, in the 1% chance you are actually townie, not convince everyone you're scum a) listen to people b) be calm and collected and c) make sure all your points are consistent and articulate, without dramatics or without causing you to backtrack like with unu
 

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My assumption would be stranger would have given mafia flavour text rather than out right explaining it

Something along the lines of "Your targets are the Poor Sinners of New Orleans. During the day they may approach you requesting a deal for x role or x role...at night you may accept their deal, granting them their wish and stealing their soul... you win when all sinners are dead/have sold their soul" etc.
Hey you're not allowed to quote your role pm!
[real talk if there was a situation where someone quoted their role pm without saying it was their pm is that fine? the answer to this question has nothing to do with my thoughts on the game, just something that occurred to me for the first time]
Wait you think the devil cant communicate with mafia at night? Do you think the devil isnt mafia (you might have said?).
Yes, I think the devil is mafia aligned but not included in the night chat. I think the other members know who the devil is, but not the other way around.
oh right a question for Timdood3
why is it exactly that you think the devil cant communicate with the other mafia?
Thematic reasons, mostly. To me, the idea of the devil is distant, self-interested and apathetic to others (mortals). He's willing to cooperate with others for his own gain, but not to the point where he'd view anyone as an actual team. In this way, it makes sense to assume that he'd be a third party, but in the context of the game I don't feel that makes sense. So, the next closest thing: mafia-aligned and outside of the night chat.

Note: I'm not caught up but I have this typed up and want to get this out there now because I'm leaving for lunch and will probably be gone for a while
 

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[real talk if there was a situation where someone quoted their role pm without saying it was their pm is that fine? the answer to this question has nothing to do with my thoughts on the game, just something that occurred to me for the first time]
When citing any role pm it's a good rule to paraphrase so that there can never be any confusion. A blanket rule to cover all role dms is a lot safer than having it apply to weird specific scenarios
 
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