Mafia: Saints & Sinners - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

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i can't see anyone except one of those three or four being savvy enough to reject a devil deal for a mail action, with how deceptively helpful those actions can be
i mean, why are you assuming the devil wanted to reject it instead of that he wanted to accept a different deal more, and can only do one per night
 

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in that case why have town be able to make devil deals at all...when mafia making devil deals is objectively better for scum
like i said earlier, either a) devil is 3p, or b) there are negative consequences for maf deals too and its only beneficial under certain circumstances, giving them motive for not always trying to make deals
 

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Ok that was just me mindlessly following the formula my bad

if you read my actual text I don't say that I say I pick someone at day and bless them. In reality I pick someone atday then at the beginning of night I bless them.
but what were you saying you 'don't get either' when you quoted me saying how i dont like how you visit people then
 

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but what were you saying you 'don't get either' when you quoted me saying how i dont like how you visit people then
I ASSUME since I can't quite remember as I am (wait for the best excuse ever) quite tired, I misread and thought you said day. As I truly don't really understand why I have to visit at day as I could just pick someone at night and it still work, but that's on stranger idk
 

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if there are 2 'potential' town roles that cancel DWTD's, it just doesnt make sense for there to only be town sinners (unless stranger is memeing us all). i just cant wrap my head around the mechanic of this game yet, and most of it has to do with fog's deal being declined.

inf, does your role mention 'poor sinners' or simply DWTD's?

(on a side note, im starting to worry that if some of you 3 dont die soon this game is going to be impossible to follow for the more inactive among us.)
 

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the only way aqua's role makes sense is to protect town from dealing but not scum actually

if maf have "Poor Sinner" roles too, and thus aqua can stop deals for both town and scum, then what would be the point of his ability to see whether someone is a sinner or not? maf arent gonna claim anything except sinner if theyre truly a sinner surely since that'd be stupid, so aqua's never realistically gonna be able to catch any scum through that ability. it only makes sense if only town are Poor Sinners, in which case, his ability only prevents town from making deals, not scum

but why would town have a role where they only prevent town from making deals, unless deals with the devil can be forced and he's the counter to it, but like he rightfully pointed out, it's likely we'd have seen that if it was the case (though, as i pointed out, not impossible)

my role makes sense regardless assuming maf can make deals since then i can try to stop them from doing that but aqua's i'm struggling to find a way to fit in the setup

but at the same time, how else do we explain the lack of nk n1, unless we assume maf hit devil or something like that, and we also have no reason to believe thats the case

but maybe that is what happened and aqua is just scum

im confused
 

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if maf have "Poor Sinner" roles too, and thus aqua can stop deals for both town and scum, then what would be the point of his ability to see whether someone is a sinner or not? maf arent gonna claim anything except sinner if theyre truly a sinner surely since that'd be stupid, so aqua's never realistically gonna be able to catch any scum through that ability. it only makes sense if only town are Poor Sinners, in which case, his ability only prevents town from making deals, not scum
Saints or the Devil

I could support someones saint claim assuming no sinners had claimed and I was just choosing people at random.

Or if the devil claimed sinner I could have outed them.
 

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but maybe that is what happened and aqua is just scum
I still don't understand your reasoning for suspecting I'm scum, is it because I select players during the day or is it because I messed up and misquoted my role and misread what you said?

I can understand the latter could be a slip but it seems fairly ambiguous and could easily be explained by what did happen - I misread.

What is youropinion on my your name isn't thatof a real saint, whereas mine and Hk's are?
 

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Saints or the Devil

I could support someones saint claim assuming no sinners had claimed and I was just choosing people at random.

Or if the devil claimed sinner I could have outed them.
you'd only be able to support a saint claim as being a saint if the devil was already dead though, otherwise anyone you know isnt a poor sinner could also be devil

but yeah you could out the devil through it i guess

I still don't understand your reasoning for suspecting I'm scum, is it because I select players during the day or is it because I messed up and misquoted my role and misread what you said?

I can understand the latter could be a slip but it seems fairly ambiguous and could easily be explained by what did happen - I misread.
it was originally for both those reasons, but i can believe you just misread stuff so i dropped that. now im just struggling to make sense of the point of your role

I think turning 22 destroyed all of my braincells too, jesus.

What is your opinion as to why your name isn't that of a real saint, whereas mine and Hk's are?
my opinion is that stranger probably chose random names just like she did with sinners, and yours and hks just so happen to be saint names, because there are over 10k saints in the bible according to my google search
 

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my opinion is that stranger probably chose random names just like she did with sinners, and yours and hks just so happen to be saint names, because there are over 10k saints in the bible according to my google search
I mean Joseph is like one of if not the most famous saint and Christopher is up there but I suppose it is possible
 
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