Aesthetic Requirements for Builder

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AESTHETIC REQUIREMENTS FOR BUILDER
With the release of BuildBox 2.0 comes a new and improved aesthetic requirement for promotion to the Builder rank. This guide will serve as a helping asset for players wishing to be considered for promotion and to staff who will themselves be promoting the players.

Are you a player, and wanting to be considered for promotion? First, have a look at the big don'ts.

Don't build pixel art expecting a promotion.
Pixel art is fun to build but requires no real skill - it is just copying block-for-block a 2-dimensional image and is not original in many cases. In fact, there are even plugins designed to paste image links into Minecraft based on their block colours - so for all we know your art could even have been automated!

Don't make your builds unreasonably small.
We're not saying to go out and use your entire plot on one build, but what we do ask of you is that you don't spend all of your time making 5x5 cube houses. Larger builds allow for a greater level of detail, and detail is what we look for!

Don't expect a redstone circuit to be eligible for a promotion.
The rank is called 'Builder', not 'Redstone Engineer'. We expect a certain level of aesthetic appeal in builds wishing to be considered as promotion material, and plain redstone won't cut it. However, if you can think of creative ways to use redstone skills, feel free to impress us!

Don't build too simply.
Houses in the real world aren't cuboids devoid of interior - add detail to your build wherever you see fit! Use a source image and see what a house should look like in the real world, or see how elements of nature interact with each other in real-life geography. Plus, being more complex allows for more creativity - think of how many more possibilities there are bar the standard cuboid!

Don't plagiarise.
We want our builders to take pride in the fact that their own builds allowed them to be promoted. If you are going to apply with a build that isn't yours, we can easily check the logs and prove that it isn't yours. Block-for-block copies aren't accepted either.

Does your build fit these criteria? If it fits these next ones too, ask an Operator+ online to check your builds out!

Your build is a solo effort.
We are looking to see an individual's building skill - not a group's. However, this isn't meant to discourage building in groups - feel free to build together, just realise that it is not eligible for promotion.

You have a clean record and have been on the server for a reasonable amount of time.
We want our Builders to be trustworthy individuals whom players can come to for help regarding builds if need be. We don't want players with recent history of bad behaviour, nor do we want players that haven't had time to settle into the BuildBox community for very long.

You aren't spamming the staff for a promotion!
Repeatedly asking staff for a promotion will only lower your chances. Instead, take a rejected promotion as a sign to improve - feel free to ask us where you could improve, and what could be done to make your build the best it could be.

Questions? Feel free to ask any of the staff if you see them online, or drop a question in this thread!
 

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I would still really like to see a "Engineer" rank or a different set of requirments for builder for those redstoners who don't get the acknowledgement they deserve, not gonna try to make a case for pixelartists, but redstone on the other hand does take a lot of skill arguably more then actual building if done properly.

But anyways glad to see stricter requirements. Should improve the quality of our builders!
 

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We have created a plot awhile back with building requirements for the Builder rank, but we used the ideas from the previous aesthetics guide -- It shows off mini versions of each requirement.

The plot is in the plots world @ /warp buildinghelp. We'll have to edit a few things in to include the stuff from these new requirements.

As far as the Engineer rank is concerned -- I don't know if that rank will be included, but I'd have to agree with Nog on giving people who create impressive redstone work a rank up. Although, I have seen at least two players who have created really interesting redstone builds that could use a rank up to Builder.
 

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We have created a plot awhile back with building requirements for the Builder rank, but we used the ideas from the previous aesthetics guide -- It shows off mini versions of each requirement.

The plot is in the plots world @ /warp buildinghelp. We'll have to edit a few things in to include the stuff from these new requirements.

As far as the Engineer rank is concerned -- I don't know if that rank will be included, but I'd have to agree with Nog on giving people who create impressive redstone work a rank up. Although, I have seen at least two players who have created really interesting redstone builds that could use a rank up to Builder.
If engineer get's added. BOY I'D BE HAPPY.
I'll create a new, second and improved version of the RED and DEAD switch eue

But fuck that.
I AM MAKING A PARTIALLY SENTIENT FUCKING A.I DESIGNED TO CONTROL A HOUSE AT OWN WILL.

TAKESHI KITANO. I TAKE YOUR CHALLENGE.
 

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Don't think we can do it in front unless we set our chat manager to have a suffix in front of a prefix. But then, I don't think you can be a member of multiple groups. Setting groups like BuilderEngineer would take a while unless Nill could pull off some magic inheritance thing.
If you guys are using PermissionsEx then it shouldn't be too hard.
just have Engineer inherit Builder and then have it display as [E][Builder]
Nailedi t
 

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If you guys are using PermissionsEx then it shouldn't be too hard.
just have Engineer inherit Builder and then have it display as [E][Builder]
Nailedi t
We use BPermissions, and Adv Builders might be able to get Engineer too.
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On another note, promotion will be hard when ops have no promotion rights.
 
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We use BPermissions, and Adv Builders might be able to get Engineer too.
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On another note, promotion will be hard when ops have no promotion rights.
Well the basic concept of permissions are Groups.
A group has it's own permissions and such
A user can join a group. Get it's rank and the permissions.

Now the layout is like this:
Builder
<Permissions>

Advbuilder
-inherit builder
<permissions>

E


Now this isn't the exact code but.
Let's take paul. Paul is both a master builder and an accomplished redstone engineer.
That means paul inherits both ADVBUILDER AND E. This makes the two seperate groups [E] [Advbuilder] appear infront of his name still inheriting both permissions.
Now it's been 1 year since i staffed the server i played on so i don't know permissions EXACTLY. Also the old server used permissionsEx and you use Bpermissions. maybe both are COMPLETELY different.
 

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We use BPermissions, and Adv Builders might be able to get Engineer too.
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On another note, promotion will be hard when ops have no promotion rights.
Perms not working properly for operators at the moment shouldnt be a reason for not adding something to the server in the future.
 

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"On another note" I wasn't talking about Engineer rank with that, but talking about promotion in general.
Of course Nillbox had been out for 2-3 days so there are some quirks and bugs that need to be patched

Nill Atm:
99 bugs in the code.
99 bugs in the code.
Take one down
Patch it around
127 bugs in the code
 

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To be honest, I think that it would be a be hard to know if someone is worthy of a Redstone/Engineer rank. There are a few things that come to mind:

- Getting a Redstone/Engineer rank would require three or more builds that are finished and of working order because you're not going to get an Engineer build just because you made one redstone contraption.
- It would be hard to know if someone copied a redstone tutorial online.
- Just like the Builder/AdvBuilder rank -- there will be many discrepancies on what types of builds are considered to be Engineer worthy.
- It would require an operator who has worked with redstone to be able to judge the builds of players applying for the Engineer rank. I believe that tnmjimbob/chrisrocks could be one of those redstone specialists.
- This one probably isn't necessary, but I would say that it should be required for Engineer ranked players to help other players that request for redstone help.

As you can see, there are many things to consider before actually requesting that there should be a supplemental rank to the server. It would require effort from the staff to implement something like this, which, I think, shouldn't be a problem -- but the ultimate decision goes to Nillbug and Priz.
 

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Don't think we can do it in front unless we set our chat manager to have a suffix in front of a prefix. But then, I don't think you can be a member of multiple groups. Setting groups like BuilderEngineer would take a while unless Nill could pull off some magic inheritance thing.
You should theoretically be able to use /pex user [user] prefix "&8[&4E&8] [RankName&8] &(rank color) "

That is if you have pex.

I read the thread entirely. Ignore me.
 

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On the note of don't use plagiarism, is a build that is meant to replicate something from another game (such as the Comet Observatory from 'supa mawio' Galaxy) count as plagiarism, regardless of being built by one person constantly running the game and minecraft to try and perfect their accuracy to the game (using the game itself as a very inaccurate guide, rather than looking on the internet for some easy build)? In short, are builds of something outside of minecraft but in a different game considered as plagiarism?
 

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On the note of don't use plagiarism, is a build that is meant to replicate something from another game (such as the Comet Observatory from 'supa mawio' Galaxy) count as plagiarism, regardless of being built by one person constantly running the game and minecraft to try and perfect their accuracy to the game (using the game itself as a very inaccurate guide, rather than looking on the internet for some easy build)? In short, are builds of something outside of minecraft but in a different game considered as plagiarism?
There have been quite a few builds that other players make in Minecraft which reference content from other games. Just recently there was a server that recreated a world from Bioshock Infinite. Also, I think that the effort that these players make to translate worlds from other games into Minecraft is pretty amazing. But the drawback from referencing other games and building them is that it limits your creativity in a way. And for me, it creates a much stricter building standard because I'm able to look at reference photos of what you built and judge whether your proportions are spot on and if you translated the details in the best possible way. And if it looks like a bad translation of the referenced game, then I'll point it out and expect you to fix it. Essentially, if you plan to recreate a world from another game, then you should go all the way with it or don't do it at all.

This is just my own opinion, so lets just see what Priz will have to say about your question.
 

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I don't think the redstone engineer would be a good idea. All someone can do is copy an idea from youtube or a forum, then boom boom. [E].
One quick thing to reply to this,

The same is true for all forms of minecraft building, I can block by block copy over a house pictured on the internet. Just like I can block by block copy over a redstone circuit from the internet. There is in fact no difference between the two. However I do get your point but I doubt the staff would award a player the engineer rank for simply building a circuit, when I said we should have the rank I meant that it should be given out for creativity in redstone just like the creativity the staff look for when giving out builder. It would be idiocy to give a player a rank just because he built a circuit I'm talking more complex stuff which I have seen players make. Redstone games, clocks, new types of cannons, other contraptions come to mind instantly. Those are the things that Engineer would be awarded for.
 
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I was mostly wondering due to my latest build being a recreation of the Comet Observatory from Super Mario Galaxy having recently been complete (100% by hand and by me). I would say it is roughly 85-90% accurate to the actual comet observatory, mostly because I some how got the tent part to flop like a fish. But apart from the tent-like part of the build, I got it as accurate as I could on a 1:1 scale (I.E.: library couldn't be built because it can't fit in such a small space, domes don't have most of their furniture due to being near-actual size, ect...) But all in all, I am wondering if it is enough for builder (and I really don't want to see a repeat of what happened last summer when I had to redo the same build 7+ times...). Seeing as this build is in my second plot, I cannot remember the names of any warps I might have there, assuming I ever put warps there. How ever, you can't miss it because the outer part of the plot is literally a giant box with glowstone dotted everywhere (and it was hell to build as well, even when using W.E.)
 
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