bartolome day
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https://www.americaneedsfatima.org/Varied/the-catholic-spirit-of-christopher-columbus.html
just scroll down to the paragraph titled "Our great debt to Columbus" and read down the rest of the page.
if after reading this you still think "Columbus was a dick." Then I have nothing more to say.
Thanks for your time. :)
just scroll down to the paragraph titled "Our great debt to Columbus" and read down the rest of the page.
if after reading this you still think "Columbus was a dick." Then I have nothing more to say.
Thanks for your time. :)
I wouldn't consider that a debt. I'd consider that an alternate timeline.
We are accustomed to our society, and so spurn the thought of it being anything else. Likewise, if our society was as it would be without Columbus, we'd spurn the thought of society being as it is now.
We are accustomed to our society, and so spurn the thought of it being anything else. Likewise, if our society was as it would be without Columbus, we'd spurn the thought of society being as it is now.
"Was a dick"? He was never a good person to begin with anyways.
He brought diseases such as smallpox to the Bahamas and those diseases wiped out the indigenous peoples who had not built up immunity to them.
He enslaved many of the Lucayan and Taino natives that actually took some fucking time to help Mr. Batshit Columbus, and Columbus repaid them with death and destruction of their culture.
Also, "Our Great Debt To Columbus" talks nothing about the Columbian Exchange that took place. "We'll take your crops and give you horses and diseases." It's mostly full of bullshit like "If a Muslim had come to the Americas first, then the United States would be renamed the United Emirates."
This article reeks of religious propaganda. The only reason that I can think why you actually believe that Columbus was a good person is that you were force-fed this information in elementary school.
Maybe that's where you still are today.
quoted the section referred to in novacat's link for reference and bolded parts for emphasisNova's Catholic Propaganda said:
_ChoasLego_ was spot on in his analysis
edit: bolded more parts as they stuck out.
the whole article basically has islam vs catholicism in a cagefight
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Columbus has done nothing to deserve praise. He conquered a land for his home country without thought of the people who already lived there under the excuse that he didn't think them civilized enough (a euphemism for not European enough) and under the guise of religion, killing millions in the process. He was selfish and doesn't deserve a moment of praise.
Bartolome is better than Columbus, but still had many faults.
I personally celebrate Indigenous Peoples' Day, to honor the many that died from the hands of the Europeans and to help bring awareness to the descendants who still live today.
tl;dr fuck Columbus, celebrate the actual Americans.
Bartolome is better than Columbus, but still had many faults.
I personally celebrate Indigenous Peoples' Day, to honor the many that died from the hands of the Europeans and to help bring awareness to the descendants who still live today.
tl;dr fuck Columbus, celebrate the actual Americans.
Any evil history to me isnt evil because it was and has lead to the formation and the conception of myself and those in my lineage.
Therefor I wouldnt be able to have a hotseat political piss off about it without it and the many events prior to my creation.
Its as much as becomeing angry about the dark ages, the crusades, and other events.
As I did not live thru those events they are nothing more then text in the history books written by those that may or may not have provided accurate details.
While there may be sympathy and reflection of how those events were wrong subjectively those wrong events lead to inventions, reforms and events that shaped the world possible for myself and those alive in my generation to exist to even contemplate or arouse any type of opinion.
Therefor I wouldnt be able to have a hotseat political piss off about it without it and the many events prior to my creation.
Its as much as becomeing angry about the dark ages, the crusades, and other events.
As I did not live thru those events they are nothing more then text in the history books written by those that may or may not have provided accurate details.
While there may be sympathy and reflection of how those events were wrong subjectively those wrong events lead to inventions, reforms and events that shaped the world possible for myself and those alive in my generation to exist to even contemplate or arouse any type of opinion.
I'm going to interject now.
First, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. If some of us still wish to believe that this man was a "great explorer" or "the founder of america", who are you to stop them? If some of us wish to believe that he was a "monster" or a "greedy madman", who are we to stop you? It doesn't make your side look more profesional to say shit like:
This entire thread is one huge fucking mess of plain lack of classiness . That's the opposite side of classiness. A void of nothing. -classy. Not. Cool.
Third point:
Keep classy, and thank you for your time.
First, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. If some of us still wish to believe that this man was a "great explorer" or "the founder of america", who are you to stop them? If some of us wish to believe that he was a "monster" or a "greedy madman", who are we to stop you? It doesn't make your side look more profesional to say shit like:
Now on to my second point.
Again, what a lovely response. I can understand feeling strongly about something, but right now I'm feeling strongly indignant. I'm agnostic myself, and I view this as an extremely rude and aggressive response to this:
It's clear about the fact that blocktopia is a 100% agnostic community, but our number 1 rule is:
KEEP IT CLASSY BLOCKTOPIA.
This entire thread is one huge fucking mess of plain lack of classiness . That's the opposite side of classiness. A void of nothing. -classy. Not. Cool.
Third point:
Isn't what you're blasting secular propaganda? Religion and secularism have been at odds since there was a difference. It's all a huge battle of opinions. Does having more people supporting your opinion make you right? I'm really not sure. I'm just going to leave that up to you. Feel free to leave a big fat dislike if you view my opinions as being null or invalid, it's just an opinion right? That's what it all boils down to gentlemen.
Keep classy, and thank you for your time.
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People deserve to know who Columbus actually was. Sure, if it were not for Columbus, we wouldn't have horses in North America or corn and tomatoes in Europe, but that does not excuse his blatant disregard for human life. To say that he is the founder of America or he was a great explorer is a fallacy. Heck, even Leif Ericson and Amerigo Vespucci got to America before he did, and combined, they get less credit than Columbus.
And no, no we aren't blasting secular propaganda at everyone. There are both facts and fiction in both secularism and religion, and both of them have their positives and negatives. We aren't stating that everything in the article Nova mentioned is entirely false because it has to do with religion. It's just that a lot of the article is mainly biased towards Christians, and that's what irks me. History shouldn't primarily told from the view of a single religion, and that's the way history should be taught.
this is how you would have sounded had we been discussing WWII dictators
the only thing changed is the quoted titles
edit: we aren't "attacking" anyone over opinions.
funnily enough, one of the only two "dislikes" in the thread so far has been given by youNaoh said:
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#BartolomeDay is a generous idea, but #IndigenousPeoplesDay feels like a much better and needed holiday. 
Also, I didn't post until now because;
1) This is going to be a heated topic, as plenty of things are involved in it. Apparently the heat's already here.
2) You didn't use caps. You didn't use punctuation. This is a forum thread, not an instant messenger, WHERE IS YOUR GRAMMAR!?
Also, I didn't post until now because;
1) This is going to be a heated topic, as plenty of things are involved in it. Apparently the heat's already here.
2) You didn't use caps. You didn't use punctuation. This is a forum thread, not an instant messenger, WHERE IS YOUR GRAMMAR!?
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Not to be the bearer of bad news, but I'll just throw out a reminder that in our forum rules it says:
"5. No discussions about religion or politics..
This ties in to point 4. One of the most common causes of flame wars or trolling is the discussion of things people believe strongly in. Due to the general strong nature of people's beliefs in both politics and religion we disallow discussions of these subjects to prevent the near inevitable breaking of rules 2 and 4."
And I'm gonna go ahead and say this discussion on columbus goes hand in hand with that, so I'll stop this wild fire from spreading since some of you have descended into slight animosity and it's not really necessary.
Locked unless another Director or Admin disagrees with me.
"5. No discussions about religion or politics..
This ties in to point 4. One of the most common causes of flame wars or trolling is the discussion of things people believe strongly in. Due to the general strong nature of people's beliefs in both politics and religion we disallow discussions of these subjects to prevent the near inevitable breaking of rules 2 and 4."
And I'm gonna go ahead and say this discussion on columbus goes hand in hand with that, so I'll stop this wild fire from spreading since some of you have descended into slight animosity and it's not really necessary.
Locked unless another Director or Admin disagrees with me.
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