While this theory is correct it can also be inaccurate. From my (our) impression of Jivvi, he knew exactly what would raise people's suspicions and acted like your average civilian. Although he was Mafia-sided, I noticed that he posted a lot.
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JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
Why am I being targeted and talked about so much this game? Seriously. :/
Anyways, since this was directly pointed at me (sorry, I wanted to make the most of the past 2 days as I just started back to school today and I've been doing projects the past 2 weeks or so), I thought I would start out with it.
First off, let me just say a lot of your logic is a bit flawed about it whole idea. I'm not entirely certain why you would even ask the serial killer(should I actually be it in this case, or anyone else if asked similarly) the serial killer to come clean. Obviously, the serial killer will never make him/herself known because that would be suicide, seeing as both the Mafia and the Town, basically every player, would essentially jump on the chance to take out the sole enemy to both parties.
There is no win-win scenario to revealing the role of the Serial Killer/Skeleton.
Plus, even if I am the serial killer, there really isn't really any "reason" for me to "come clean," I'm not entirely certain I have anything against me, not to my knowledge anyways, and not that anyone else has "come clean," (I didn't entirely understand that wording) that I know of.
I'm not certain what evidence or suspicious posts I'm supposedly being accused of.
I don't know what these "clues" or "hints" are that I supposedly left in my first post on Day 1, I don't know why I would do that anyways if I was the Serial Killer, since I, and anyone else in that role, would probably be very secretive about it, and I'm not sure how it was supposed to hide my role/throw people off me...
...and I think that's really kind of true because to my knowledge, my post on Day 1 was really just all trying to clear up really bad misconceptions about stuff I deem not entirely fair to be used in discussion for Mafia, as well as trying to stir up some controversial discussion with the copycat thing (which never did pick up, and feels somewhat ignored, but oh well), unless you are purely referring to these lines:
But, it all comes to that, doesn't it. Am I lying? Not really, and I don't tend to try and lie about what my role is either. I always mention that any accusation or suspicion you have on a person is all up to your personal opinion, no matter the "evidence" (because unless it's a confirmed cop, everything we present here is all personal speculation and not solid), and because of that, no matter what role you claim, unless the (confirmed) cop has said you're safe, then you SHOULD always be under suspicion, because we don't know if it's true or not.
So, no matter what I claim, it'll just be speculated or perceived as trustworthy or suspicious, so I don't see much point in that.
So, I've adopted to just saying; "If you suspect me, go ahead, just give good evidence; if you trust me, awesome, thanks for the support/whatever."
I don't dismiss the claim of Serial killer, nor do I personally accept it, because again, I could be anything; though personally, I would like the "solid" evidence you seem to be claiming that makes me hint at being serial killer.
And really, even if I do get killed/lynched, once again I'll say that it ♫doesn't really matter to me...♫ because again, I said the copycat copied my role, whatever you want to decide that to be (I ain't saying what my role is unless I'm on the verge of being lynched, which I hope never happens), so even if I do die, there is still a second of my role flying about.
Luckily, seeing as this is the case, whether you want to believe the copycat copied me or not (Notty seems to think I'm the copycat, at least, he did, not anymore it seems), that means 1 thing:
Note this is impossible, at least, I'm fairly certain it's impossible.
Alpha102, just confirming this, but should the traitor or the copycat copy the Mafia, then we would all know that a new player joined the Mafia, right?
If this is true, then the copycat, nor me, should be Mafia.
If it's not true, then refer to my paragraph above saying above that I don't dispute any suspicions as of this moment. (I just totally thought all this while reading some pages of the thread. >.<)
Anyways, I largely agree with HypeBurst's post on Saturday (Good-job by the way, it's a solid long-post IMO). Personally, I am still extremely skeptical of Ltin, I don't entirely feel good enough to trust him, nor do I trust Oak entirely at this stage, but of course, that's all personal opinion and I already said I don't trust them in one of my posts yesterday(in-game).
In terms of Dessern/Kylie----
I am honestly 100% not suspicious of Kylie at this stage. Similarly to Dess as well as Grimjow, I don't feel we should be basing any suspicions based on their previous players; although I know the flaws in that, every player is obviously different, so I think it's better to give em a chance.
Plus, how is Kylie quiet (in reference to Dess's post). Kylie just joined the game, and honestly, has been quite active in my opinion, seeing as she just joined. And of course she'll pay attention to players, who wouldn't? This is Mafia after all,
, that's the entire point is to watch each other for suspicious activity.But being suspicious of Dess on these reasons?--- I don't entirely feel he's digging a hole, I just don't think he's 1)explaining that greatly at what he's really trying to point at, or 2)may just be mistaken over some things. I don't know.
Honestly not suspicious of either, though I did say I agree with Hype (and what I stated in a prior post?) that I still am suspicious of Dess but on different reasons, and still not enough to really be worth a lynch imo.
I really just wanted to answer Oak's post, but I wanted to respond to this back-and-forth between Dess and Notty, which I don't think will lead anywhere in the long run. :x
Oak Milk
Kill Hungry Thirsty Dead
Well thanks for answering, and I revoke a lot of what I said there now, I've doubted trusting you for awhile, that post you made on day 1 has kept me continually weary of you (when I say Day 1 I DO NOT MEAN DAY 0) so now I'd like to ask, who do you think is worth taking a look at aside from me or Ltin?Why am I being targeted and talked about so much this game? Seriously. :/
Anyways, since this was directly pointed at me (sorry, I wanted to make the most of the past 2 days as I just started back to school today and I've been doing projects the past 2 weeks or so), I thought I would start out with it.
First off, let me just say a lot of your logic is a bit flawed about it whole idea. I'm not entirely certain why you would even ask the serial killer(should I actually be it in this case, or anyone else if asked similarly) the serial killer to come clean. Obviously, the serial killer will never make him/herself known because that would be suicide, seeing as both the Mafia and the Town, basically every player, would essentially jump on the chance to take out the sole enemy to both parties.
There is no win-win scenario to revealing the role of the Serial Killer/Skeleton.
Plus, even if I am the serial killer, there really isn't really any "reason" for me to "come clean," I'm not entirely certain I have anything against me, not to my knowledge anyways, and not that anyone else has "come clean," (I didn't entirely understand that wording) that I know of.
I'm not certain what evidence or suspicious posts I'm supposedly being accused of.
I don't know what these "clues" or "hints" are that I supposedly left in my first post on Day 1, I don't know why I would do that anyways if I was the Serial Killer, since I, and anyone else in that role, would probably be very secretive about it, and I'm not sure how it was supposed to hide my role/throw people off me...
...and I think that's really kind of true because to my knowledge, my post on Day 1 was really just all trying to clear up really bad misconceptions about stuff I deem not entirely fair to be used in discussion for Mafia, as well as trying to stir up some controversial discussion with the copycat thing (which never did pick up, and feels somewhat ignored, but oh well), unless you are purely referring to these lines:
But, it all comes to that, doesn't it. Am I lying? Not really, and I don't tend to try and lie about what my role is either. I always mention that any accusation or suspicion you have on a person is all up to your personal opinion, no matter the "evidence" (because unless it's a confirmed cop, everything we present here is all personal speculation and not solid), and because of that, no matter what role you claim, unless the (confirmed) cop has said you're safe, then you SHOULD always be under suspicion, because we don't know if it's true or not.
So, no matter what I claim, it'll just be speculated or perceived as trustworthy or suspicious, so I don't see much point in that.
So, I've adopted to just saying; "If you suspect me, go ahead, just give good evidence; if you trust me, awesome, thanks for the support/whatever."
I don't dismiss the claim of Serial killer, nor do I personally accept it, because again, I could be anything; though personally, I would like the "solid" evidence you seem to be claiming that makes me hint at being serial killer.
And really, even if I do get killed/lynched, once again I'll say that it ♫doesn't really matter to me...♫ because again, I said the copycat copied my role, whatever you want to decide that to be (I ain't saying what my role is unless I'm on the verge of being lynched, which I hope never happens), so even if I do die, there is still a second of my role flying about.
Luckily, seeing as this is the case, whether you want to believe the copycat copied me or not (Notty seems to think I'm the copycat, at least, he did, not anymore it seems), that means 1 thing:
Note this is impossible, at least, I'm fairly certain it's impossible.
Alpha102, just confirming this, but should the traitor or the copycat copy the Mafia, then we would all know that a new player joined the Mafia, right?
If this is true, then the copycat, nor me, should be Mafia.
If it's not true, then refer to my paragraph above saying above that I don't dispute any suspicions as of this moment. (I just totally thought all this while reading some pages of the thread. >.<)
Anyways, I largely agree with HypeBurst's post on Saturday (Good-job by the way, it's a solid long-post IMO). Personally, I am still extremely skeptical of Ltin, I don't entirely feel good enough to trust him, nor do I trust Oak entirely at this stage, but of course, that's all personal opinion and I already said I don't trust them in one of my posts yesterday(in-game).
In terms of Dessern/Kylie----
I am honestly 100% not suspicious of Kylie at this stage. Similarly to Dess as well as Grimjow, I don't feel we should be basing any suspicions based on their previous players; although I know the flaws in that, every player is obviously different, so I think it's better to give em a chance.
Plus, how is Kylie quiet (in reference to Dess's post). Kylie just joined the game, and honestly, has been quite active in my opinion, seeing as she just joined. And of course she'll pay attention to players, who wouldn't? This is Mafia after all,
But being suspicious of Dess on these reasons?--- I don't entirely feel he's digging a hole, I just don't think he's 1)explaining that greatly at what he's really trying to point at, or 2)may just be mistaken over some things. I don't know.
Honestly not suspicious of either, though I did say I agree with Hype (and what I stated in a prior post?) that I still am suspicious of Dess but on different reasons, and still not enough to really be worth a lynch imo.
I really just wanted to answer Oak's post, but I wanted to respond to this back-and-forth between Dess and Notty, which I don't think will lead anywhere in the long run. :x
gay vampire
Little Miss Organs
Just gonna slip my opinion in here. I honestly think Dessern is making mistakes with his votes/suspicions, as do I with Ltin, so I'm not really suspicious of either of them. I'm a little confused with dess's logic but nevermind that.
Most of the people I thought were suspicious (including Jivvi) are dead now, so I don't really have suspicions on anyone.
Most of the people I thought were suspicious (including Jivvi) are dead now, so I don't really have suspicions on anyone.
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
I had another one of my Fantastic Ideas.
3 nights have passed already, and the cop seems to have been walking through it. Which is great, but now with 11 players left, the chance is getting bigger and bigger that the cop will be killed tonight. And therefor I think the cop should tell us who he/she has investigated. The cop had 3 nights to investigate, which means the cop should know 3 roles by now [unless pleaser]. Some of these roles may be dead, but maybe theres 1 still alive. And every confirmed role counts!
Which brings me to my fantastic idea. If every player makes a post with 3 names and their "roles". And the real cop gives the actualy names and roles in his/her post. Then if the cop dies tonight, we can go back to their post and see who he/she had investigated.
Good idea right? =3. Gimme feedback.
3 nights have passed already, and the cop seems to have been walking through it. Which is great, but now with 11 players left, the chance is getting bigger and bigger that the cop will be killed tonight. And therefor I think the cop should tell us who he/she has investigated. The cop had 3 nights to investigate, which means the cop should know 3 roles by now [unless pleaser]. Some of these roles may be dead, but maybe theres 1 still alive. And every confirmed role counts!
Which brings me to my fantastic idea. If every player makes a post with 3 names and their "roles". And the real cop gives the actualy names and roles in his/her post. Then if the cop dies tonight, we can go back to their post and see who he/she had investigated.
Good idea right? =3. Gimme feedback.
HypeBurst
Just Fabulous
I had to read through it a few times for it to make sense in my head
. Yeah that sounds like a really good idea, I've always been nervous that the cop would die before they said their information, but with this it seems full proof.I guess my only worry is the mafia will recognise some of the roles, maybe their own roles or the contacts investigations, and figure out who the cop is and kill them.
What a smart but dangerous idea. May I ask, what good would that bring to the cop if the person reveals the roles of people investigated? If the cop hits the mafia, maybe both of them, or we assume no one but cop hits the mafia, then it's trouble. There are various possibilities, mostly negative:
Possibility 1:
Cop reveals his role ---> 2 mafia + 1 civilian revealed.
2 mafia all dead!
Unfortunately, serial killer appears as civilian. Serial killer kills civilians. Jackpot. Since 1 lynched at a time, 2 deaths that night. One cop, one civilian/or maybe mafia.
Possibility 2:
Same scenario, 1 mafia instead. I'll leave the imagination part to you.
Possibility 3:
Mafia + Serial killer X (who appears as civilian).
Cop dies. Townies end up assuming X is definitely a civilian. Doesn't bring him up in future discussion regarding serial killer.
Possibility 4:
All civilians/lucky civilians. Cop gets killed because mafia coincidentally knew who were taking the roles of civilian. Guesses who is cop.
Possible positive outcomes < Possible negative outcomes.
Sounds weird I initially misread your post. So I edited it.
P.S. I do not think this is a good idea. It might take a long time for the cop to get killed. And there's some part of me which feels weird about this. I'm not sure how to explain, but idk.
Possibility 1:
Cop reveals his role ---> 2 mafia + 1 civilian revealed.
2 mafia all dead!
Unfortunately, serial killer appears as civilian. Serial killer kills civilians. Jackpot. Since 1 lynched at a time, 2 deaths that night. One cop, one civilian/or maybe mafia.
Possibility 2:
Same scenario, 1 mafia instead. I'll leave the imagination part to you.
Possibility 3:
Mafia + Serial killer X (who appears as civilian).
Cop dies. Townies end up assuming X is definitely a civilian. Doesn't bring him up in future discussion regarding serial killer.
Possibility 4:
All civilians/lucky civilians. Cop gets killed because mafia coincidentally knew who were taking the roles of civilian. Guesses who is cop.
Possible positive outcomes < Possible negative outcomes.
Sounds weird I initially misread your post. So I edited it.
P.S. I do not think this is a good idea. It might take a long time for the cop to get killed. And there's some part of me which feels weird about this. I'm not sure how to explain, but idk.
balloon98
The balloon that never pops
Yeah notty but what about the mafia? Since if they have had the contact what if the fellow mafia members just name the roles of people the contact investigated? Then we might think the wrong person is the cop
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
You seem to not understand. This is so that the cop tells his investigations in the post. And everyone else just names 3 roles and names. It is so that IF the cop dies tonight we atleast know who he investigated and their roles. I am not saying the cop should reveal themselves. The cop remains secret. So we don't know who it is and we shouldn't even try guessing who is the real cop is based from the posts.
So basicly all your scenarios except number 4 are wrong.
And if the cop doesn't say anything today, what if he dies tonight? Then the cop survived this long only to not have helped us with his/her investigation.
So basicly all your scenarios except number 4 are wrong.
And if the cop doesn't say anything today, what if he dies tonight? Then the cop survived this long only to not have helped us with his/her investigation.
gay vampire
Little Miss Organs
Note that the doctor died, so if the Mafia guessed correctly from one of the posts and killed the cop, the cop would be dead forever. Like JK said, don't think this is the best idea.
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
But if the mafia kills the cop tonight the cop will be dead forever and we won't know any investigations ever as the cop doesn't get a last post.
And the mafia would be stupid to take a guess as there is this very big chance that they can kill the Serial Killer tonight. Which killed 2 of the mafia. They would be stupid not to take it.
HypeBurst
Just Fabulous
Lets say if Notty's plan were to happen and we all say the roles and stuff, If the mafia had a thought on who the cop was, as a result of this, Do you think they would attack him/her or attack the person they attacked last night? On one side of the coin they are killing who they think is the cop, it might be or it might not. Whereas, on the other side of the coin, they might be killing the serial killer, we cant be sure that the serial killer lost a life last night just by judging by the story but it does seem likely. So do you think the mafia would kill the suspected cop or the suspected serial killer?
JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
Well, judging by the lack of people actually doing this, I can assume the cop isn't entirely sure or skeptical about the plan as well, at least that's what I'm seeing.
Remember, the Mafia had the Contact. Who knows what players he actually identified and the Mafia know about. Should they know at least one, or maybe two roles of players still alive, even if the majority of us do just pick random players and say a role, the Mafia still stands a decent chance of pinpointing a possible cop. I'm certain that if the cop identified some of us and actually releases those roles, seeing him/her state our role and it's the truth, then I'm sure we'll probably pinpoint him as well, though that still leaves the chance of the Serial killer being told as a "civilian," and pinpointing the cop as well.
I--- am quite skeptical about it, since the leads may just fall flat. And we don't even know if all of the cop's investigations are all dead already. If so, maybe that's why the cop wouldn't say anything? Just assumptions, but i'm willing to believe something like that.
I only want the cop to really "reveal" himself (this is one instance of being revealed) if he actually has a point to. Seeing as with a revealed civilian role really means nothing, seeing as both the Godfather and Serial killer pass off as civilians (even if we don't have to worry about the Godfather), then we still can't trust any player naming themselves as "civilian" via cop claims/whatever. I bet we might just take a civilian role as the truth, and possibly not pick up on that potential serial killer role (like how I was trusted not to be the Godfather till the end last season, after Alpha claimed I was a civilian).
I personally am quite skeptical about it still. Not entirely certain it will do anything. There's a lot of drawbacks in my opinion for perhaps nothing to gain if there was the chance the cop really doesn't know anything on players currently alive. I'm uncertain, and I don't really feel like I can trust it.
I would like to here people's opinions more though.
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