MEDIEVAL MAFIA: INTRUSION [DAY 8]

[Jivvi]

Alright, so first of all, the whole Road debacle blew up in our faces. What I'm noticing straight up is Ansoro's instant moving to to me, under the shadow of the holy Prizym's one-sentence accusation. (By the way, I predicted this. Not to mention, Ansoro also dismissed said prediction as ridiculous). Another point is that while there were a decent number of Road votes, I'm the only one getting jackhammered. Frankly, I'm still not entirely sure what I should be defending myself against. It's not like I prepare an award-winning cover story for every possible accusation, just in case. Yeah, I realise that it was a wrong vote, and I have to explain myself, but others have done so in a single sentence and gotten by just fine, so I won't bother at this point. I like to think I justified my Road vote when I actually voted for him. You can't just always say "You voted this guy, and he was town. You're scum." Unfortunately, it takes a deeper analysis of the whole game, like the one Prizyms is keeping from us. I had my reasons, mainly consisting of Road/Ansoro's full frontal assault on Hunter. Hunter kept his cool and defended himself with valid logic, and even some of those debate tactics picture thingamies. Hopefully a couple of people think a little about this whole shenanigan before jumping onto the bandwagon that seems to be sprouting.

Also, one more thing I'd like to point out:

This-

ive me your reasoning, you've been my number 1 FoS the whole damn game.

vote Jivvi

Is identical to this-

And now that I mentioned 77_is_the_best, I'll like to hear from you you reason of why you voted Road, Because I don't really see any reason at all rather than just saying "Has been my main suspicious for a while now". I want to know why you found Road suspicious.

I'm a little bit confused right now. Can you explain better how Prizym's quote is identical to mine? Don't get that part.

And now you're pairing me up with another person?

And hey! Calm. I'm not coming after you. All I did was tag you because I frankly wanted to hear what you needed to say. This time I didn't mentioned you were suspicious to me. I'm not blaming you for voting for Road. Clearly there can be mafia who voted for Hunter. Others who voted for Road and others who didn't vote at all.

oh, I wasn't comparing your post to Priz's, I was likening 77's to Priz's, but you were suspicious of 77 and not Priz

 

[Jivvi]

Although something else to remember is that mafia don't usually get right in there, so that also kinda softens my suspicious around the central current affairs.

 

[Ansoro2112]

Oh gotcha. Yes, I did take a look at Prizyms post. I understand sometimes you have that FoS on someone and it's something you can't really explain why you're suspicious of that person But I did found it weird since at this point you can at least say one reason of your vote. But I definitely grabbed that into consideration in my mind. And if later on something clicks in my head about that I'll use that. But as for now it's not really bothering me that much.

 

[Deleted member 4601]

MarsKid I think I'll quit this, my mobile phone was confiscated xD

 

[HypeBurst]

Please tell me this is a joke



Well my suspicions were laid out the day before, so I didnt push on you the same day you were a mafia target, oops

Its not exactly my actions this day that made me a target its the actions of the last day.

Something that bothers me is how you already seem to acknowledge me as a target from the Mafia while accusing me of being mafia?

Could this be a slip

You acknowledged yourself as a target for the mafia and I was basically quoting you. Seems like you are just trying to put blame on someone who suspects you and has done from the start.

 

[myusername22]

Please tell me this is a joke



Well my suspicions were laid out the day before, so I didnt push on you the same day you were a mafia target, oops

Its not exactly my actions this day that made me a target its the actions of the last day.

Something that bothers me is how you already seem to acknowledge me as a target from the Mafia while accusing me of being mafia?

Could this be a slip

You acknowledged yourself as a target for the mafia and I was basically quoting you. Seems like you are just trying to put blame on someone who suspects you and has done from the start.

yes but what I find strange is the fact you accepted it so easily. a towny should be thinking about everything. What I would expect of a towny would be to either wonder why I was a target or write it off as an attempt to look innocent. unless you know something I don't why would you just accept the fact?

Seems like you are just trying to put blame on someone who suspects you and has done from the start.

let's look back at things shall we?

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But what if he wasn't making a joke but tried to seem town-like.

I didn't think of that, I was just working off of what I've seen of Jivvi on the forums. He seems to make as much jokes of possible and be a "happy-go-lucky" person. But with that being said, using his happy-go-lucky attitude would make him look extremely town and a perfect strategy for a mafia. I should keep prior perceptions of people out of the mafia game :c. I guess my FoS is on Jivvi slightly but also on MyUser, because they both did the same thing.

I still don't think we are anywhere near close for me to make a vote for Jivvi or MyUser right now, but that could change as the game progresses.

This looks like something someone says Just because they have no suspicions and these activities stand out. You only have a slight FoS here because you're trying to share your opinion without any serious suspicions. besides that If I were only attacking people who attacked me I would've suspected either Ooglie or nottykitten since They had both Said I was suspicious, But i never even Suspected them Because I understand Everyone has their own reasoning for things and though I didn't necessarily agree with the reason I didn't find them suspicious.

I'm really tired and have a terrible headache but this Is the most suspicious thing I've seen the entire game. If i was seriously going after GMK i would've listed reasons. Here you're completely ignoring earlier arguments and putting suspicion upon Jivvi and myself (Jivvi could be suspicious who knows) all i know is i don't see the evidence being there to even lynch.


FoS: HypeBurst

here I'm actually trying to point out a legitimate suspicion. I've listed valid reasons and supported my opinion in the hopes of not only pointing it out to others but hopefully convincing them as well. you didn't list any reason other than me and Jivvi doing "the same thing" which in all honesty means we come from similar opinions and reasoning more than anything. You also said " I still don't think we are anywhere near close enough for me to make a vote" which to me really just says You don't even think it's a legitimate suspicion yet.

my point here is though you did mention me first, you are trying to bend the facts to your advantage when you didn't even push on me until much later While I put a legitimate suspicion on you pretty early on.

 

[Prizyms]

My vote was more of a reaction test than anything, and that was an awful reaction. 'Valid logic' which Hunter used - all logic used by scum has to be as valid as possible, or they'd be lynched far earlier. I started the bandwagon against Ltin due to his awful logic, and he turned out to be town. Jivvi, your response seems really panicky, as if a bandwagon on you is inevitable - perhaps the rest of you should look into that more.

 

[myusername22]

after looking back and thinking about things I feel confident voting on hype. she's been my suspicion since day 0 and seems really scummy to me not to mention the stuff I've already said so I'm going to vote lynch

vote HypeBurst

 

[Nottykitten]

While people are going around voting for their own suspicion, I'm gonna do that aswell.

If your foremost suspicion is lynched, what do you think that it will mean if they're:

Guilty?
Wheeee victory! Probabily still puts suspicion on me. But I hopefully won't be voted.
Also GmK is probabily guilty then as well, at least in my opinion.

Hunter was Guilty, which makes GmK look suspicious. Here is what I think happened:
- When votes started coming on hunter he tried to take the bandwagon to Road. Which sort of worked, but it wasn't enough.
- He killed Road off in the night because Road would pretty much be confirmed.
This isn't that much, but it is all I got.
Vote GmK
And we both know that mafia isnt mafia without either me going against you, or you going against me GmK.

 

[HypeBurst]

yes but what I find strange is the fact you accepted it so easily. a towny should be thinking about everything. What I would expect of a towny would be to either wonder why I was a target or write it off as an attempt to look innocent. unless you know something I don't why would you just accept the fact?

At what point did I "just accept the fact"? I was originally going to say: " I didnt "pushing on me within the town around the time I [you] start to feel like a mafia target" ". But that just sounds like gibberish, so i flagged the quotation marks away and reformed the sentence. I dont "accept" you as a mafia target and I have never accepted you as one.

here I'm actually trying to point out a legitimate suspicion. I've listed valid reasons and supported my opinion in the hopes of not only pointing it out to others but hopefully convincing them as well. you didn't list any reason other than me and Jivvi doing "the same thing" which in all honesty means we come from similar opinions and reasoning more than anything. You also said " I still don't think we are anywhere near close enough for me to make a vote" which to me really just says You don't even think it's a legitimate suspicion yet.

my point here is though you did mention me first, you are trying to bend the facts to your advantage when you didn't even push on me until much later While I put a legitimate suspicion on you pretty early on.

Yes you did have a more legitimate reason, I do accept that. I cant argue on that point, but to say "you are bending the facts to your advantage" is a hyperbole and a bit. The fact is I did have a suspicion on you before you had a suspicion of me. Whether the "valid-ness" of my suspicion was better or worse than yours, or if you pushed harder doesnt change anything about who had the suspicion first. The only fact stated in that sentence was that I had my suspicions first and that isnt bent at all.

 

[HypeBurst]

ffs Im male, every mafia game someone refers to me with feminine pronouns

 

[Nottykitten]

ffs Im male, every mafia game someone refers to me with feminine pronouns

Say what guurl?

 

[HypeBurst]

ffs Im male, every mafia game someone refers to me with feminine pronouns

Say what guurl?

*pops lips* ooooo hoe hold my weave, someones asking to get cut :m

 

[GmK]

And we both know that mafia isnt mafia without either me going against you, or you going against me GmK.

<3

I was only waiting for it.

Let me read up (lots happened last night) and come back to you (and the others). As you probably know, your argument is really weak, but let's see how it goes :D

 

[Nottykitten]

<3

Let me read up (lots happened last night) and come back to you (and the others). As you probably know, your argument is really weak, but let's see how it goes :D

<3

I know, but so was my argument against Hunter

 

[myusername22]

ffs Im male, every mafia game someone refers to me with feminine pronouns

Right forgive me it's 3 am and I'm tired. I'd love to stay and argue now but I'm just going to make poor arguments and post irrelevant information if I continue which would probably just hurt the town by drawing suspicion back on me. So I'm going to refrain from doing anything else until first thing in the morning.

 

[GmK]

Ok, some of my opinions on the things that are happening currently. As I see it, we have a few simultaneous things going on, and are actually playing into the hand of scum, since we're all over the place. All they have to do currently is lean back, poke at things a bit, and see the town disintegrate itself...​

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1. Notty vs Me​

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While people are going around voting for their own suspicion, I'm gonna do that aswell.

Hunter was Guilty, which makes GmK look suspicious. Here is what I think happened:
- When votes started coming on hunter he tried to take the bandwagon to Road. Which sort of worked, but it wasn't enough.
- He killed Road off in the night because Road would pretty much be confirmed.
This isn't that much, but it is all I got.
Vote GmK

Well, anyone of us that voted for Road looks suspicious, especially me since I started the first vote on him. Can't deny that. Compared to the other Road voters, I did give sound reasoning though at the time for why I did what I did. This can't be said for others like e.g. Da Jinks (I'll get to him in a bit).

So, Notty, your first point of me starting the vote on Road is correct, the way you phrase it is a pure interpretation only (which is what one does in Mafia :D). Your second point is of course utter speculation which you luckily cannot prove (and I unfortunately cannot de-prove, except say it).

Like you say, what you got isn't much, and at this point I am not taking your vote on me seriousley, sorry, no offense.

Except of course if you are a lurking scum and are trying to get at me. We shouldn't rule that out at this stage. It would make sense under the aspect of your vote being nonsensical, as one can easily hide real motives behind making a vote seem more out of fun than seriousness.

So, notty, are you scum?


2. Jivvi

I was surprised to see Prizyms' vote. But it also got me thinking:

Jivvi has always been present in the game, but has seldomly come out with info by himself. So far it's been "I'll ask some questions for you all to answer", followed by a waiting game and nonsensical offtopic posts, followed by jumping on an opportunistic bandwagon. I actually see it as a quite likely possibillity, that Jivvi could be scum, using usual behavior as a facade to hide motives.

My vote was more of a reaction test than anything, and that was an awful reaction. [...] Jivvi, your response seems really panicky, as if a bandwagon on you is inevitable - perhaps the rest of you should look into that more.

This. The one moment someone does mention you could be scum, you get extremely defensive, fighting your way out of a situation that has not yet even occured.

Frankly, I'm still not entirely sure what I should be defending myself against.

Plausible Deniability? You discredit the vote on you by saying that is has no basis. That would be fine if there wasn't a basis. But there very well is, and it's imho more scummy to try and discredit a voter than to try and work with what they stated.

3. myusername22

Yes I kind of trapped myself into a corner here. I feel soon both the town and mafia are going to try to kill me. I know myself to be town but I'm not sure I can convince many others of this. I also think I may have made myself a target of the mafia by trying to help out (I don't know what criteria they are trying to lynch first)

I don't feel I'll make it much longer in this game.


oddly enough, there isn't a single capital letter in my name. It would be alright to capitalize the first word but the second? you could be dramatizing it to make me look more suspicious (maybe)

this must be a really funny coincidence. Because around the same day I start to feel like a mafia target, someones pushing on me within the town. Seems a tad convenient, Doesn't it?

Now that is just terrible. I hope a bit it was due to the time being 1am or something for you, but this alone would give me reason to immediately vote you.

Dramatizing to make you look suspicious by mis-spelling your name? While yes, Hype has said something quite weird:

Well my suspicions were laid out the day before, so I didnt push on you the same day you were a mafia target, oops

(I dont get this, when and why and how has myuser been a mafia target? How would you know? This has sort of been cleared up in the last few posts, but at that point it was really out of place and sudden), your own post is weirder.

And then you go on to almost admit defeat with your "I don't feel I'll make it much longer". You are asking for mercy since you feel like a victim that isn't able to defend itself any more. Emotional appealing won't help you, so if you are indeed town as you say you are, DO something to prove it, and don't just hope people will have pity. Because if you do, we might just as well lynch you today...


4. Da Jinks

Now, with this one I'm going out on a limb. We have a player, that has been mostly inactive, but always present just at the right time to post a vote or a statement like "I've not been here, soorryyyyy" and managed to fly under the radar very very well. Yes, others have also flown under the radar (quite a few actually), but they don't post sudden votes without anything substantial:

I also must say, I was the first to vote and start the bandwagon and without a ton of reasoning (which I'll post later if needed ;x). So I will vote Road.

Da Jinks - buddy, give me a reason to take back the following (or a reason not to)

vote Da Jinks

 

[GmK]

Okay well there isn't really much for me to put input on right now, but right before I leave for about 5 days, I will post everything I have on my mind.
Please don't call me out for being away though guys x3

Let's hope you don't forget to do so still

 

[Nottykitten]

1. Notty vs Me
So, notty, are you scum?

Nope.
What made you change your mind between hangman and mafia? [unless you class hangman as scum]

 

[GmK]

1. Notty vs Me
So, notty, are you scum?

Nope.
What made you change your mind between hangman and mafia? [unless you class hangman as scum]

I guess I use "scum" as a term for any party that wants to hurt the town / with their own win conditions.

 

[cooliorules]

Okay well there isn't really much for me to put input on right now, but right before I leave for about 5 days, I will post everything I have on my mind.
Please don't call me out for being away though guys x3

Let's hope you don't forget to do so still

-Has notif from GmK quoting you-
OH GOD ;-;
-sees it's this-
Okay I'm not in trouble.
I always get terrified, idk why xD
(I leave in about 22 hours, will post final stuff tomorrow )

ANYWAY
I'm probably just not thinking properly, psh I don't need to for another 2 months.
But, I don't see why people are suspicious of Jivvi? I'll try to read through it before I go to camp, but I'm not so sure. Idk. Probably just a blonde moment, oops.

 

[MarsKid]

Watermelon1388 ...

Welp, so far three people are slated to be killed next night for inactivity. No one is going to fill your slot.

 

[Oak Milk]

I've been so disinterested in this game =/
However I did sign up to this so I better see it through.
Okay so ansoro2112 I did see your tags, I've just been very lazy lately in and disinterested with forum mafia as a whole. However to also add to the answer to your question, I didn't end up voting for either Hunter or Road simply because of the factors that I saw.

1. I noticed Hunter had quite the number of votes against him, in a head on clash between two people, I thought that perhaps some of the mafia were causing a bandwagon on him.

2. The way hunter was picking apart road's arguments instead of actually addressing them seemed scummish, and I may have simply voted for him simply for that if it weren't for this third factor.

3. The way that road suddenly targeted hunter after he was telling everyone how he didn't trust prizyms, was very offputting to me, I thought perhaps he was just looking for someone to simply bandwagon upon and when the argument started with hunter I was immediately suspicious of Road for his quick target switch.

So basically I couldn't come to a decision in the end, that plus I couldn't really be bothered with making a post before explaining what I thought about the situation.

 

[Da Jinks]

4. Da Jinks

Now, with this one I'm going out on a limb. We have a player, that has been mostly inactive, but always present just at the right time to post a vote or a statement like "I've not been here, soorryyyyy" and managed to fly under the radar very very well. Yes, others have also flown under the radar (quite a few actually), but they don't post sudden votes without anything substantial:

I also must say, I was the first to vote and start the bandwagon and without a ton of reasoning (which I'll post later if needed ;x). So I will vote Road.

Da Jinks - buddy, give me a reason to take back the following (or a reason not to)

vote Da Jinks

Well let me start off by saying I'm sorry I was inactive most all of the last day, but I truly was sick/busy. I know it'll probably be tossed to the win, but meh.

Now, you say I voted without reasoning? Here is the post you quoted from: http://blocktopia.net/forum/threads/medieval-mafia-intrusion-day-2.14198/page-32#post-261922. My reasoning being that, as you said I felt that the push on Hunter had been started with little evidence and I was highly suspicious of, plus as storm showed we were almost guaranteed to nab a anti-town with our lynch.

Now, my reasons behind starting up the Ltin train:

Im in no way panicking. I have a whole plan about how to go out with a bang, an dbring accusation to my enemie(s)

This along with everything he said directly afterwards (page 18!) made me incredibly suspicious as I'd say about 80% of the time a Mafia play has made statements like that ("oh you'll be sorry..." "I had a whole plan, don't ruin it" etc.) they end up as Mafia. What was Ltin's plan? Sadly, I do not know. He seemed suspicious of Prizyms, so I'd guess it involves him.

Now, I have one main suspicion currently and may post in a bit, beyond that the only thing I will say is please do not assume all Hunter voters are innocent and road voters are guilty. In fact, I find it more likely the opposite since, as soon as it was apparent Hunter was gonna get bandwagoned it would be dumb to throw yourself onto the road train leaving you suspicious the next day.

So, that is all for now.

 

[GmK]

In fact, I find it more likely the opposite since, as soon as it was apparent Hunter was gonna get bandwagoned it would be dumb to throw yourself onto the road train leaving you suspicious the next day.

See, you can do it. Sorry to hear about being sick, but at least we got a substantial post from you. And whilst you don't really defend yourself, you do point out a very valid point (the one I quoted).

I'm interested to see, who you made out to be your suspicion!

For now, it has served its purpose:

unvote Da Jinks