Supernatural Hotel [Finished]
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Interesting, the Mafia seemed very clever in choosing the correct target to hit :/
At the same time, this means I have gotten quite a few things wrong from the last day, I actually expected myself to be killed because I thought I was playing it aggressive. This means I need to reconsider my FOS.
At the same time, this means I have gotten quite a few things wrong from the last day, I actually expected myself to be killed because I thought I was playing it aggressive. This means I need to reconsider my FOS.
Fiestaguy
The man with 8 fingers.
Here are ALL of Myuser's posts in here. Maybe we'll find something useful?
NOTE: Myusername UNVOTED, And Alpha102 ended the day with Myusername not having voted.
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wow what terrible luck for a first night  I always feel sorry for whoever get's killed off first. I only hope it's the sane cop that's still alive so the town at least has one investigative role to find the mafia with.
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Just re-read the roles, you were right paranoid cop is more useful. It's way too soon for us to try depending on a cop to claim though. For the moment we need to figure out who we're lynching tonight.
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Nottykitten said: ↑
It can be seen as that, but since 15/19 people are PR's I don't think it could actually hurt us that much. If anything the mafia has more chance to hit a supernatural even.
even with the fact we have a higher percentage of power roles most of our power roles are still pretty important. not to mention if the siren knew a list of the power roles it'd make it easier for them to guess which players can visit and try to get a kill.
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How suspicious do you deem yourself to be? hopefully not too suspicious the game just started then again suspicions get thrown around much more wildly this early in.
What do you consider your strength(s)? I think i'm good with logic, even if i over-think things sometimes
How experienced are you in Mafia games? not too experienced it's only my third game and I feel like I haven't quite got the hang of it yet.
Who is suspicious to you/FOS? N/A I've no idea yet.
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Nottykitten said: ↑
There is already a 15/19 chance the siren visits a PR. I don't mind making that a 100% as its almost a 100% already anyways and it can help the town.
the siren doesn't "visit" others. The siren chooses a person they think will visit them that night, If the person the siren chooses visits the siren the person visiting the siren dies. if the siren had a list of who isn't a power role it tells them who they should be trying to manipulate into visiting them making the odds of them getting a kill go way up
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raxo2222 said: ↑
So for example a SWAT or Mafia goues to siren, he gets killed?
If the siren chose that person then yes
At least that's how I understood it from the role description
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I am not a regular guest.
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First off I think it might not originally even be necessary for the cop to investigate one of the confirmed innos. Just publicly posting a list would be useful for the town since one of them is likely to die sooner or later. As for notty's idea of no-lynching I don't think it is a good idea. Every day we don't lynch scum is an opportunity wasted for us and an increase in their odds of winning.
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Nottykitten said: ↑
We did just cross 4 names of the list of potential mafia without lynching someone. So I think we pretty much put this day to a good use and decreased their odds of winning alot. And I'm not saying we don't do anything, I'm saying that instead of us during the day, that the Swat Officer kills someone during the night.
This way, the kill won't be influenced by the mafia/supernaturals. And since we basicly would have to make a shot in the dark if we lynch, it's better that that shot in the dark is made by someone not influenced by the mafia/supernaturals.
This isn't helping us. 'Oh the cop should do this' 'oh the swat can do this' we don't know they have any better information than us. Every time you play mafia could require taking a bit of a shot in the dark. I'm not suggesting randomly stabbing into the darkness but I think we should talk about our own game not the game of some of our specific and unnamed power roles. Perhaps point a few fingers here take some time to discuss it, not just give up our part hoping someone else can do it.
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Nottykitten said: ↑
"if we have an option that does one of the following: increases town's chances of lynching scum next day or kills off scum, then I see no reason not to take it."
Time for Math! =D. Right now 5/19 people are scum. This is a total of 26% chance we lynch a scum. So let's lynch one of the confirmed Regular Guests. Then the next day 5/18 people are scum. This is a 28% chance we lynch a scum that day. So let's lynch one of the Regular Guests since it increases our chance to lynch a scum the next day!
I know, this is a totally stupid example but I just wanted to point it out. Since the Swat Officer killing someone instead of us does exactly the same as lynching someone today. The only thing diffrent is indeed that the Swat Officer would be taking the same shot in the dark. But the Swat Officer won't be influenced/misdirected by the mafia. While during the day, the Mafia can misdirect the lynch to one of the town PR's.
I'd like to point out your math is off. Why do the confirmed innocents only exist when you want them to? There are 5 mafia plus 3 third party that equals 8 now since the people the shot in the dark would be aimed at wouldn't include the 4 innocents it's 8/15 slightly over 50% chance we take out scum.
Though honestly it seems you've forgotten this game isn't about random shots in the dark. that would only mean a random outcome. The idea is to discuss things for a while until someone slips up further increasing the odds higher of the town lynching scum.
Also by lynching someone rather than swat killing them we give vital power roles a chance to defend themselves and share any information they learned where as had they just been killed off the information would've been lost.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds ansoro's posts to be extremely suspicious, I'm going to focus on notty for now.
notty put forward the plan to confirm the innocents, and as far as I'm concerned it could help both the mafia and town depending on how it's used. What really bothers me though... nottykitten keeps saying we're better off because we have confirmed innocents and not once actually using that in their logic. In fact in most of nottykittens arguments the fact we have confirmed innocents is ignored, in some ways this game is a race against the mafia and tbh both getting the innocents a no-lynching on the same day is the worst move we can make, it basically allows the mafia to use that to their advantage while not using the same opportunity we created for ourselves.
vote nottykitten because it feels like your ignoring the advantages we fought to create then letting scum use them to their advantages instead.
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Nottykitten said: ↑
That is because "we have 4 proven innocents" has no relation and can thus not be used as an argument for "we should No Lynch". I'm saying that have 4 proven innocents is an advantage we created, and also that No Lynching would be good to us.
I think we can all agree having 4 proven innocents also means the scum get a list of our power roles... so why would you want to do claims first? If we were going to no lynch tonight we shouldve done that before giving scum an upper hand not gave them an upper hand and waste the advantage we'd just given ourselves
Vote Nottykitten
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Mmarz11 said: ↑
Alright I am going to say this now, I lied about being a non-regular guest. I wanted to see if anyone would pretend to be a regular guest or if there would merely be three claiming. This is also why I suggested the cop should investigate the people that have claimed to be a regular guest due to one of the four having lied. At least one of these four have lied about being a regular guest. My guess would be there just being one person.
Everyone should be suspicious of @Ltin @Ooglie101 @HypeBurst and @cooliorules. Out of the four I think Ooglie101 is the odd one out. Naturally you should also be susicious of myself but lynch me, kill me, investigate me if you please but you'll see that I am telling the truth.
So... who is lying?
@Mmarz11 what did you think you would gain by lying?
why didn't you tell us earlier when we asked if anyone lying could come clean then (or before)?
why should we trust you?
To me this looks like it could more easily be an attempt to screw up the 4 confirmed innocents we had and of the 5 we need to pick among you're the only one who has both changed their story and openly lied to use, so I'm honestly finding it hard to pick among anyone other than yourself.
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At the moment I think the possible fake claim in the confirmed innos is a distraction the fact is that while it is true we know there is a fake claim in a group of 5 I feel the odds are still better among the larger group excluding those sides. Since the group of 5 isn't going anywhere (unless someone admits to false claiming or mmarz changes his story) those 5 will still be there. On top of that we still know much less on those people, I suggest we ignore those 5 for now and pick among the remaining people to come back to the 5 later. For now let's return to the north issue shall we?
(NOTE: Jeercrul Rated this post: „Disagree”)
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cooliorules said: ↑
Wait so are you saying I'm scum?
No digi is saying you are the least suspicious and not very much worth considering as scum
Quite a few things are bothering me right now. I'm not going to speculate until I've thought things through more thoroughly but for now I'm going to withdraw my vote.
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wow what terrible luck for a first night  I always feel sorry for whoever get's killed off first. I only hope it's the sane cop that's still alive so the town at least has one investigative role to find the mafia with.
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Just re-read the roles, you were right paranoid cop is more useful. It's way too soon for us to try depending on a cop to claim though. For the moment we need to figure out who we're lynching tonight.
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Nottykitten said: ↑
It can be seen as that, but since 15/19 people are PR's I don't think it could actually hurt us that much. If anything the mafia has more chance to hit a supernatural even.
even with the fact we have a higher percentage of power roles most of our power roles are still pretty important. not to mention if the siren knew a list of the power roles it'd make it easier for them to guess which players can visit and try to get a kill.
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How suspicious do you deem yourself to be? hopefully not too suspicious the game just started then again suspicions get thrown around much more wildly this early in.
What do you consider your strength(s)? I think i'm good with logic, even if i over-think things sometimes
How experienced are you in Mafia games? not too experienced it's only my third game and I feel like I haven't quite got the hang of it yet.
Who is suspicious to you/FOS? N/A I've no idea yet.
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Nottykitten said: ↑
There is already a 15/19 chance the siren visits a PR. I don't mind making that a 100% as its almost a 100% already anyways and it can help the town.
the siren doesn't "visit" others. The siren chooses a person they think will visit them that night, If the person the siren chooses visits the siren the person visiting the siren dies. if the siren had a list of who isn't a power role it tells them who they should be trying to manipulate into visiting them making the odds of them getting a kill go way up
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raxo2222 said: ↑
So for example a SWAT or Mafia goues to siren, he gets killed?
If the siren chose that person then yes
At least that's how I understood it from the role description
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I am not a regular guest.
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First off I think it might not originally even be necessary for the cop to investigate one of the confirmed innos. Just publicly posting a list would be useful for the town since one of them is likely to die sooner or later. As for notty's idea of no-lynching I don't think it is a good idea. Every day we don't lynch scum is an opportunity wasted for us and an increase in their odds of winning.
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Nottykitten said: ↑
We did just cross 4 names of the list of potential mafia without lynching someone. So I think we pretty much put this day to a good use and decreased their odds of winning alot. And I'm not saying we don't do anything, I'm saying that instead of us during the day, that the Swat Officer kills someone during the night.
This way, the kill won't be influenced by the mafia/supernaturals. And since we basicly would have to make a shot in the dark if we lynch, it's better that that shot in the dark is made by someone not influenced by the mafia/supernaturals.
This isn't helping us. 'Oh the cop should do this' 'oh the swat can do this' we don't know they have any better information than us. Every time you play mafia could require taking a bit of a shot in the dark. I'm not suggesting randomly stabbing into the darkness but I think we should talk about our own game not the game of some of our specific and unnamed power roles. Perhaps point a few fingers here take some time to discuss it, not just give up our part hoping someone else can do it.
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Nottykitten said: ↑
"if we have an option that does one of the following: increases town's chances of lynching scum next day or kills off scum, then I see no reason not to take it."
Time for Math! =D. Right now 5/19 people are scum. This is a total of 26% chance we lynch a scum. So let's lynch one of the confirmed Regular Guests. Then the next day 5/18 people are scum. This is a 28% chance we lynch a scum that day. So let's lynch one of the Regular Guests since it increases our chance to lynch a scum the next day!
I know, this is a totally stupid example but I just wanted to point it out. Since the Swat Officer killing someone instead of us does exactly the same as lynching someone today. The only thing diffrent is indeed that the Swat Officer would be taking the same shot in the dark. But the Swat Officer won't be influenced/misdirected by the mafia. While during the day, the Mafia can misdirect the lynch to one of the town PR's.
I'd like to point out your math is off. Why do the confirmed innocents only exist when you want them to? There are 5 mafia plus 3 third party that equals 8 now since the people the shot in the dark would be aimed at wouldn't include the 4 innocents it's 8/15 slightly over 50% chance we take out scum.
Though honestly it seems you've forgotten this game isn't about random shots in the dark. that would only mean a random outcome. The idea is to discuss things for a while until someone slips up further increasing the odds higher of the town lynching scum.
Also by lynching someone rather than swat killing them we give vital power roles a chance to defend themselves and share any information they learned where as had they just been killed off the information would've been lost.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds ansoro's posts to be extremely suspicious, I'm going to focus on notty for now.
notty put forward the plan to confirm the innocents, and as far as I'm concerned it could help both the mafia and town depending on how it's used. What really bothers me though... nottykitten keeps saying we're better off because we have confirmed innocents and not once actually using that in their logic. In fact in most of nottykittens arguments the fact we have confirmed innocents is ignored, in some ways this game is a race against the mafia and tbh both getting the innocents a no-lynching on the same day is the worst move we can make, it basically allows the mafia to use that to their advantage while not using the same opportunity we created for ourselves.
vote nottykitten because it feels like your ignoring the advantages we fought to create then letting scum use them to their advantages instead.
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Nottykitten said: ↑
That is because "we have 4 proven innocents" has no relation and can thus not be used as an argument for "we should No Lynch". I'm saying that have 4 proven innocents is an advantage we created, and also that No Lynching would be good to us.
I think we can all agree having 4 proven innocents also means the scum get a list of our power roles... so why would you want to do claims first? If we were going to no lynch tonight we shouldve done that before giving scum an upper hand not gave them an upper hand and waste the advantage we'd just given ourselves
Vote Nottykitten
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Mmarz11 said: ↑
Alright I am going to say this now, I lied about being a non-regular guest. I wanted to see if anyone would pretend to be a regular guest or if there would merely be three claiming. This is also why I suggested the cop should investigate the people that have claimed to be a regular guest due to one of the four having lied. At least one of these four have lied about being a regular guest. My guess would be there just being one person.
Everyone should be suspicious of @Ltin @Ooglie101 @HypeBurst and @cooliorules. Out of the four I think Ooglie101 is the odd one out. Naturally you should also be susicious of myself but lynch me, kill me, investigate me if you please but you'll see that I am telling the truth.
So... who is lying?
@Mmarz11 what did you think you would gain by lying?
why didn't you tell us earlier when we asked if anyone lying could come clean then (or before)?
why should we trust you?
To me this looks like it could more easily be an attempt to screw up the 4 confirmed innocents we had and of the 5 we need to pick among you're the only one who has both changed their story and openly lied to use, so I'm honestly finding it hard to pick among anyone other than yourself.
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At the moment I think the possible fake claim in the confirmed innos is a distraction the fact is that while it is true we know there is a fake claim in a group of 5 I feel the odds are still better among the larger group excluding those sides. Since the group of 5 isn't going anywhere (unless someone admits to false claiming or mmarz changes his story) those 5 will still be there. On top of that we still know much less on those people, I suggest we ignore those 5 for now and pick among the remaining people to come back to the 5 later. For now let's return to the north issue shall we?
(NOTE: Jeercrul Rated this post: „Disagree”)
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cooliorules said: ↑
Wait so are you saying I'm scum?
No digi is saying you are the least suspicious and not very much worth considering as scum
Quite a few things are bothering me right now. I'm not going to speculate until I've thought things through more thoroughly but for now I'm going to withdraw my vote.
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Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
This did not just happen.
Ok, so we have lost our only two cops in the first two nights, presumably both to Mafia, otherwise there'd been more kills. If we would work under the assumption that they got incredibly lucky and they were both shots in the relative darkness, we need to look at who myuser was going after the previous day. One name that pops up the most is nottykitten. But would he really bring suspicion on himself like that? He was already under suspicion the previous day, he'd have no motive to kill the guy who was going after him so much, because that would only make him look more scummy, right?
Maybe, maybe not. Notty himself said that he would be willing to "hurt his chances to improve his chances" if he was mafia. It's a WIFOM, and as such isn't very helpful to us. I said I would go for notty right after the night is over, but in the light of this kill, I'm not so sure any more. Mind you, I'm still suspicious of him and he's still at the top of my FoS list, along with anso.
But what if it wasn't a shot in the dark and the Stalker found myuser on N1? Well, that would give us nothing to go on, really, because if this really was the case, the motive would be to get rid of the cop, which is something anyone would do as mafia, so in that case it could be anyone, in which case I would turn back to notty and anso based on what was going on on D1.
As you can see, both of my theories name notty as a possible suspect, so it would be logical believe I would vote for notty as he's the most suspicious to me at this moment. Which is what I'm gonna do. It's a very early vote and I don't hope for it to catch on, but I already said the previous day that I would go for him and neither of the theories I have at this moment rule him out, so why wait with the vote?
Mind you, this may change over the day as we get new theories and new suspicions.
vote Nottykitten
Ok, so we have lost our only two cops in the first two nights, presumably both to Mafia, otherwise there'd been more kills. If we would work under the assumption that they got incredibly lucky and they were both shots in the relative darkness, we need to look at who myuser was going after the previous day. One name that pops up the most is nottykitten. But would he really bring suspicion on himself like that? He was already under suspicion the previous day, he'd have no motive to kill the guy who was going after him so much, because that would only make him look more scummy, right?
Maybe, maybe not. Notty himself said that he would be willing to "hurt his chances to improve his chances" if he was mafia. It's a WIFOM, and as such isn't very helpful to us. I said I would go for notty right after the night is over, but in the light of this kill, I'm not so sure any more. Mind you, I'm still suspicious of him and he's still at the top of my FoS list, along with anso.
But what if it wasn't a shot in the dark and the Stalker found myuser on N1? Well, that would give us nothing to go on, really, because if this really was the case, the motive would be to get rid of the cop, which is something anyone would do as mafia, so in that case it could be anyone, in which case I would turn back to notty and anso based on what was going on on D1.
As you can see, both of my theories name notty as a possible suspect, so it would be logical believe I would vote for notty as he's the most suspicious to me at this moment. Which is what I'm gonna do. It's a very early vote and I don't hope for it to catch on, but I already said the previous day that I would go for him and neither of the theories I have at this moment rule him out, so why wait with the vote?
Mind you, this may change over the day as we get new theories and new suspicions.
vote Nottykitten
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
Am I being voted because Myuser voted for me and he died during the night? Because myuser wasn't the only one to vote for me. And if I were the mafia and went to kill someone that went after me on day 1, it would be Ender as he is the one who seems to want me dead the most. [because he think's i'm mafia].
It wouldn't have mattered though, if the cop claimed yesterday we would only have 1 investigation. And since we don't know wether the cop is paranoid or not that investigation meant exactly nothing. So wether he claimed yesterday or died this night the result would be the same; we'd have nothing.
Fiestaguy
The man with 8 fingers.
No, We all know more than just him voted on you, It would be quite pointless to kill everyone who voted for you, Right? As i said in my earlier post: Everything from yesterday still stands, The suspicion, The claiming, Everything,
Anyway, I'll be off now sleeping, I'll be back thomorrow most probably to discuss further.
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
We can always lynch one of them, so that we don't accidentally lynch a town PR today. *cough*me*cough*
If the town wants that, we can do that. But for now I'm gonna do something else.
Absolutely nowhere on Day 1 did you point out or worded any suspicion towards me. The closest thing you got was "However i do not Trust Notty anymore than i do you. I vote Mmarz".
And then suddenly this day you go with an almost instant vote on me right after you saw someone else vote on me[ender]. To be fair you seem really quick and jumpy with your votes which is really suspicious. And then you suddenly are super suspicious of me today for "everything of yesterday" while not saying 1 word about it yesterday? If I was so suspicious then why did you happily go along with my No Lynch idea and not speak 1 word against me?
I'm pretty confident about this.
Vote Fiestaguy
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
The bandwagon from fiesta was... unexpected, to say the least. I honestly didn't think anyone would follow me and instead expected a shitstorm falling on me, and I have no idea what to think of it right now.
If I would begin all over, not taking anything from the previous da into account... Fiesta would certainly ring some bells for me. I can see him here and there in the thread, but he's not exactly contributing much, instead he seems to be following whoever else made a somewhat convincing argument right before him. I haven't looked or even skimmed over his every post right now, but as far as I remember, he hasn't said anything worthwhile, instead he has nodded along with the others. It may, of course be that he's just a confused new player, and he's just going along with everyone because he can't think of anything better himself and all our arguments seems pretty plausible and believable to him, but there is a certain level of suspiciousness that I sense on him after something like that.
About the false Guest, it's probably someone who claimed Guest after most people had already claimed, otherwise he wouldn't have done it, because the risk of getting CCd and therefore labeled at least somewhat suspicious would've been too great. So, since Ltin claimed somewhere in the middle, it would leave us with Ooglie, who was already noted (by Mmarz, I think) for being suspicious, although if I remember correct, the reasons weren't exactly the best. Also we'd have Hype and Coolio to check up on for possible false Guest, and Coolio was the last to claim Guest, so she'd probably be more likely to be the false claim than the others, but I'm honestly not sure about her, she just emits this naiveness and sort of special kind of towniness with every post she makes.
For now, I'm going to go and read up everything on fiesta, Ooglie, Hype and Coolio, considering how they just added their names into my ever-growing suspicion list.
If I would begin all over, not taking anything from the previous da into account... Fiesta would certainly ring some bells for me. I can see him here and there in the thread, but he's not exactly contributing much, instead he seems to be following whoever else made a somewhat convincing argument right before him. I haven't looked or even skimmed over his every post right now, but as far as I remember, he hasn't said anything worthwhile, instead he has nodded along with the others. It may, of course be that he's just a confused new player, and he's just going along with everyone because he can't think of anything better himself and all our arguments seems pretty plausible and believable to him, but there is a certain level of suspiciousness that I sense on him after something like that.
About the false Guest, it's probably someone who claimed Guest after most people had already claimed, otherwise he wouldn't have done it, because the risk of getting CCd and therefore labeled at least somewhat suspicious would've been too great. So, since Ltin claimed somewhere in the middle, it would leave us with Ooglie, who was already noted (by Mmarz, I think) for being suspicious, although if I remember correct, the reasons weren't exactly the best. Also we'd have Hype and Coolio to check up on for possible false Guest, and Coolio was the last to claim Guest, so she'd probably be more likely to be the false claim than the others, but I'm honestly not sure about her, she just emits this naiveness and sort of special kind of towniness with every post she makes.
For now, I'm going to go and read up everything on fiesta, Ooglie, Hype and Coolio, considering how they just added their names into my ever-growing suspicion list.
Ansoro2112
Hottie
unbeliever
Member
Since this is my first time playing this mafia game, I would like to see what's happening and how the game works, sorry for being silent for this much time. I will definitely try to be as much active as possible in the future.
I don't like making mafia posts on my phone since I don't get that much written and spellcheck and all that. I'll make a quick post here before I go to school.
I think everyone overlooked the fact that one of our cops, myuser, said that he saw Ooglie stand out from the other 4 'civilians'. There wasn't much reasoning to that so is it possible that he investigated Ooglie? May be a long shot since he probably didn't even know of he was paranoid or not but I think there was something else there than just a feeling.
Perhaps the roleblocker/hooker has found the swat officer and has blocked them and blocked both nights which will explain the low amount of kills.
As for who I suspect most, I don't really have someone I want to target, I'm content with keeping my eyes open and catching the small things like myuser's post. I do think there is a chance one of the talkative people are the siren so they will be more likely to be visited and then they can use their ability if lucky.
Anyway when I get on my computer I'll have a look around the thread and then I might get someone to be suspicious of.
I think everyone overlooked the fact that one of our cops, myuser, said that he saw Ooglie stand out from the other 4 'civilians'. There wasn't much reasoning to that so is it possible that he investigated Ooglie? May be a long shot since he probably didn't even know of he was paranoid or not but I think there was something else there than just a feeling.
Perhaps the roleblocker/hooker has found the swat officer and has blocked them and blocked both nights which will explain the low amount of kills.
As for who I suspect most, I don't really have someone I want to target, I'm content with keeping my eyes open and catching the small things like myuser's post. I do think there is a chance one of the talkative people are the siren so they will be more likely to be visited and then they can use their ability if lucky.
Anyway when I get on my computer I'll have a look around the thread and then I might get someone to be suspicious of.
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
But yeah, as you said since we and the cop had no idea if he/she was paranoid or not the investigations mean nothing. So even if he investigated Ooglie it doesn't mean anything =/.
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