Supernatural Hotel [Finished]
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Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
Also I'll just talk a bit about the town's left PR's.
We got the rough sleeper, if he dies tonight we will guaranteedly have one mafia down. So I'm hoping for you to die/get stalked/roleblocked [sorry x)]
Second we got the SWAT Officer, whom can kill during the night. I think the SWAT Officer should take a swing at one of the PR's tonight. And I'll pray it won't be me being killed by the SWAT. But oh well, can't say I'm not suspicious x).
Third we got the Barman. Roleblocking people can be really really usefull for the town. So keep trying to block dat mafia =3.
Then we got the doctor, who is not entirely crucial towards the town anymore since the cops are dead. However still pretty important and usefull.
As last we got the toymaker. By now, I'm sure the toymaker has given out a crystal ball already. In which case I think the person with the crystal ball should investigate one of the four Regular Guest claims and then tell their investigation the next day. Could help us find out which of the four is lying. And therefor also getting 1 mafia out. Could be really usefull. And if anyone has a knife they shouldn't use it since it could be the saboteurs and then you'd die.
We got the rough sleeper, if he dies tonight we will guaranteedly have one mafia down. So I'm hoping for you to die/get stalked/roleblocked [sorry x)]
Second we got the SWAT Officer, whom can kill during the night. I think the SWAT Officer should take a swing at one of the PR's tonight. And I'll pray it won't be me being killed by the SWAT. But oh well, can't say I'm not suspicious x).
Third we got the Barman. Roleblocking people can be really really usefull for the town. So keep trying to block dat mafia =3.
Then we got the doctor, who is not entirely crucial towards the town anymore since the cops are dead. However still pretty important and usefull.
As last we got the toymaker. By now, I'm sure the toymaker has given out a crystal ball already. In which case I think the person with the crystal ball should investigate one of the four Regular Guest claims and then tell their investigation the next day. Could help us find out which of the four is lying. And therefor also getting 1 mafia out. Could be really usefull. And if anyone has a knife they shouldn't use it since it could be the saboteurs and then you'd die.
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
I'm gonna explain my previous statement about notty being a possible innocent now.
I'm on the fence about him. On one side, he seems town-like, on the other, he comes up with these ideas often which can give the mafia huge advantages, although they can also give us advantages.
The first more thought-out post he made, was the one where he asked everyone to claim either Guest or Non-Guest. There were both benefits and possible setbacks to this. The benefit would've been, that we would've had 4 confirmed innocents, a very big advantage for the town. In the end this part didn't quite turn out as we expected, but that wasn't notty's fault. However, the claiming also gave the mafia and the siren a better idea of who to hit during the night. So, while notty said that he did it for the benefit of the town, it could've been for the benefit of the mafia just as easily. So, based on that alone, we'd have a very hard time deciding whether or not notty is scum.
It wasn't until the post that he made about no lynching that I became suspicious of him. Before that, he also made a suggestion for the cop to out himself on Day 2, but I must've overlooked it because I didn't say anything about that. The cop outing thing... idk, didn't see much point in it, didn't really think anything of it anyhow.
But the post about no lynching was the one that caught my attention. It was pretty clear to me that once he had got the list of PRs, he suddenly wanted to no lynch and roll responsibility over possible town deaths on the shoulders of the SWAT. Which basically meant to me that notty had got the hitlist and was now trying to back off. Pretty suspicious, if you'd ask me, but I didn't make a vote yet.
And then myuser and GmK came up with some pretty damn good points against notty, which convinced me that he's more likely to be mafia than town. So, along with an explanation, I threw my vote in.
Then, the whole anso thing happened. Anso was very suspicious in my eyes, so the fact that he seemed to defend notty didn't help either of them. At the same time, notty began to make more sense. I ignored this, because he had been suspicious in my eyes, now anso was suspicious in my eyes, and anso semed to defend you. After that Mmarz came out and was also very suspicious in my eyes, and the fact that he came out with it right in the middle of the heated debate about notty and anso, seemed like he was trying to divert suspicion off them, so I was at that point very confident that they were working as a team and were mafia.
But, in the light of the recent events, I am pretty confident that reality is in fact, the opposite. We have solid proof that Mmarz was town, we have almost confirmed Anso as town. Even if notty is mafia, then they sure weren't working as a team, and the assumption that they were was the basis of my suspicion on notty after anso's big entry with that bizarre post.
Notty has been acting more and more town-like in my eyes and right now. Yes, he is narrowing it down for the mafia with another claimround, but he's also narrowing it down for us. Right now we have two options. We can either lynch anso for everything that happened before he claimed, or we can stop wasting our time and determine whether or not he's telling the truth, so we can get on with the game and make a more informed decision.
So, to sum it up, I can't ever be fully trusting of notty because I know that he is an excellent manipulator and can turn the game upside down very easily, but to me, even though his posts from the start of the game may have seemed scummy, he has managed to explain his every action enough to make it at least plausible and therefore, he doesn't seem all that suspicious to me any more.
Which also tells me that we should start looking at other suspects.
My first guess would be fiesta, if I'd look in the PR list, based on the bandwagon right at the start and his sudden push for lynching notty, while the argument he's using... well, I can kinda see what he means, but I don't really believe much of it, we've already established that anso is likely to be the director, I don't see what the mafia would gain by confirming it. I do see, however, the benefit the town would receive. So, either fiesta has an obsession he's not letting go because he thinks this may be his big moment or something, or he's just looking for someone other than himself getting lynched and he thought that notty would be a good target because of the whole suspicion on him before and the fact that he "is aiding mafia by narrowing it down for them even more". Which he's really not.
Of the four guest claims, I stand by my opinion that it's probably not either Ltin or Coolio. Ooglie has been quite quiet this game, so has Hype, but I kinda remember Hype as a silent player anyhow, so a very uncertain best guess from those four would be Ooglie. I certainly wouldn't act on it though, not the way things are right now.
I'm on the fence about him. On one side, he seems town-like, on the other, he comes up with these ideas often which can give the mafia huge advantages, although they can also give us advantages.
The first more thought-out post he made, was the one where he asked everyone to claim either Guest or Non-Guest. There were both benefits and possible setbacks to this. The benefit would've been, that we would've had 4 confirmed innocents, a very big advantage for the town. In the end this part didn't quite turn out as we expected, but that wasn't notty's fault. However, the claiming also gave the mafia and the siren a better idea of who to hit during the night. So, while notty said that he did it for the benefit of the town, it could've been for the benefit of the mafia just as easily. So, based on that alone, we'd have a very hard time deciding whether or not notty is scum.
It wasn't until the post that he made about no lynching that I became suspicious of him. Before that, he also made a suggestion for the cop to out himself on Day 2, but I must've overlooked it because I didn't say anything about that. The cop outing thing... idk, didn't see much point in it, didn't really think anything of it anyhow.
But the post about no lynching was the one that caught my attention. It was pretty clear to me that once he had got the list of PRs, he suddenly wanted to no lynch and roll responsibility over possible town deaths on the shoulders of the SWAT. Which basically meant to me that notty had got the hitlist and was now trying to back off. Pretty suspicious, if you'd ask me, but I didn't make a vote yet.
And then myuser and GmK came up with some pretty damn good points against notty, which convinced me that he's more likely to be mafia than town. So, along with an explanation, I threw my vote in.
Then, the whole anso thing happened. Anso was very suspicious in my eyes, so the fact that he seemed to defend notty didn't help either of them. At the same time, notty began to make more sense. I ignored this, because he had been suspicious in my eyes, now anso was suspicious in my eyes, and anso semed to defend you. After that Mmarz came out and was also very suspicious in my eyes, and the fact that he came out with it right in the middle of the heated debate about notty and anso, seemed like he was trying to divert suspicion off them, so I was at that point very confident that they were working as a team and were mafia.
But, in the light of the recent events, I am pretty confident that reality is in fact, the opposite. We have solid proof that Mmarz was town, we have almost confirmed Anso as town. Even if notty is mafia, then they sure weren't working as a team, and the assumption that they were was the basis of my suspicion on notty after anso's big entry with that bizarre post.
Notty has been acting more and more town-like in my eyes and right now. Yes, he is narrowing it down for the mafia with another claimround, but he's also narrowing it down for us. Right now we have two options. We can either lynch anso for everything that happened before he claimed, or we can stop wasting our time and determine whether or not he's telling the truth, so we can get on with the game and make a more informed decision.
So, to sum it up, I can't ever be fully trusting of notty because I know that he is an excellent manipulator and can turn the game upside down very easily, but to me, even though his posts from the start of the game may have seemed scummy, he has managed to explain his every action enough to make it at least plausible and therefore, he doesn't seem all that suspicious to me any more.
Which also tells me that we should start looking at other suspects.
My first guess would be fiesta, if I'd look in the PR list, based on the bandwagon right at the start and his sudden push for lynching notty, while the argument he's using... well, I can kinda see what he means, but I don't really believe much of it, we've already established that anso is likely to be the director, I don't see what the mafia would gain by confirming it. I do see, however, the benefit the town would receive. So, either fiesta has an obsession he's not letting go because he thinks this may be his big moment or something, or he's just looking for someone other than himself getting lynched and he thought that notty would be a good target because of the whole suspicion on him before and the fact that he "is aiding mafia by narrowing it down for them even more". Which he's really not.
Of the four guest claims, I stand by my opinion that it's probably not either Ltin or Coolio. Ooglie has been quite quiet this game, so has Hype, but I kinda remember Hype as a silent player anyhow, so a very uncertain best guess from those four would be Ooglie. I certainly wouldn't act on it though, not the way things are right now.
Fiestaguy
The man with 8 fingers.
Wait, The rough sleeper makes NO sense.
When the rough sleeper gets visited the visitors name will be revealed on a complaint board THE NEXT DAY
Necromancy? Anyone? The rough sleeper gets killed but posts a complaint the next day.
Also the Saboteur's knife can be useful for killing the Siren, But since both cops died, No use.
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
Necromancy isn't important at all. It's just to add to the flavour of the game, the point is that whoever visits the rough sleeper gets their name posted in the main thread the next day.
About saboteur's knife: it's only useful for killing the siren if the siren decides to use it. So, basically, it's not useful at all.
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
Which would be stupid as once we know the PR's. We will just lynch everyone left which is the mafia and supernaturals. The mafia's goal is to get innocents lynched, not get people to be proven innocents.
Fiestaguy
The man with 8 fingers.
Their goal is not to get the town Lynched, Their goal is to kill us all, Trough whatever means possible, If they double time it by Lynching AND killing we will get overwhelmed and they still win.
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
Good, because I have the feeling this conversation is going nowhere.
And while you make the big posts, take this post into consideration:
You seem to play like you can't trust anyone, not their role claims not their words. Which is third-party style. The town is supposted to trust people if they are proven, and supposted to work together and not lie because that gets the town into trouble. You play third-party like and that is what you seem to me right now.
It's suspicious, not suspicious enough for me to vote you. However, as you keep being stubborn and don't seem to have an interrest in helping the town by claiming I will vote you untill you claim. Because as long as you don't you look really really scummy.
Vote Fiestaguy
And while you make the big posts, take this post into consideration:
You seem to play like you can't trust anyone, not their role claims not their words. Which is third-party style. The town is supposted to trust people if they are proven, and supposted to work together and not lie because that gets the town into trouble. You play third-party like and that is what you seem to me right now.
It's suspicious, not suspicious enough for me to vote you. However, as you keep being stubborn and don't seem to have an interrest in helping the town by claiming I will vote you untill you claim. Because as long as you don't you look really really scummy.
Vote Fiestaguy
Fiestaguy
The man with 8 fingers.
If they kill the SWAT we can't kill the mafia other than lynching or the Toymakers knifeThey can't kill us all if we don't lynch town people during the day, hence why they do it
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
To be honest, this is turning into a back and forth battle which is getting us nowhere. We can either keep on arguing and using the same reasoning for another 10 pages, or we can take some action and act on our suspicions. Right now, Fiesta is so damn sure that notty is scum only because he's trying to figure out whether or not we should lynch anso. Which will not benefit the mafia in any way, the mafia probably already know if he is the director or not. The claimround could only benefit us, the town, and fiesta doesn't go along with it, because he wants us to know less.
vote Fiestaguy
vote Fiestaguy
GmK
International Man Of Cake
That is a good idea, with just one thing we should consider: In order to confirm that the person that uses the Crystal Ball (if it has been given) has been given it by the Toymaker and not the Saboteur would mean for the real Toymaker to claim, to verify that he/she gave the "good" Crystal Ball. Otherwise we will be just at the same place again of not being sure if the Crystal Ball investigation is telling the truth or switching it.
It might make sense to use the above way (Toymaker claiming and confirming handing out the Ball to the player that announces the result) if the Toymaker has already handed out all the other tools. In that case he returns to being a regular guest. If he still has his other tools, I personally see it as risky for him to claim (since the Knife is very important later on)
So in general: Yes, if someone has a Crystal Ball it should be used on one of the 4 tonight, imho.
Just my thoughts right now. Ansoro is almost priven town in my book (even if it came at the cost of him having to claim this early in the game, and us guests of the room now not having the 'secrecy' we had anymore) and Notty, you have pretty much got me convinced again that you are acting with the town intentions in mind.
My problem is, that this has now removed my two main suspects, leading me back to either one of the 4 "Real Guests" or Fiestaguy, who seems so incredibly focused on bringing Notty down.
We also have some very very quiet players that usually do a lot more (Digitalmez, 77_is_the_best) and so on, and I am just wondering if the actual scum sits in the shadows and laughs their asses off at our bickering here.
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
I won't regret it, all we ask is for you to help the town. You refuse to do that and refuse to accept that you are against the town right now. If you're town and you die it's your own fault. But I doubt it since I really think you are third party right now.
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