Supernatural Hotel [Finished]
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Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
Wow, just woke up and stuff, and 5 pages of very intense mafia greets me. ggwp
I'm going to say here that in no way am I going to vote right now. If Hype turns up as Terrorist, and I throw the last vote, then I will die. That would most likely be the worst thing that could happen to the town right now, considering the fact that I am otherwise impossible to kill (lynching not included, but if you guys really want to lynch a BP confirmed non-mafia, then idk what's wrong with you).
Now, on to the game itself. Guest claims, please, don't bring up "I know I'm innocent so the other guys must be mafia because I'm inno". It helps us in no way, and more importantly, if you're actually the Guest, it helps you and the town in no way. I know I used the "My POV" argument myself enough as well, but I at least tried to bring other arguments to support it as well.
Safest bet right now would be to lynch the guest claims. 66% chance, so it's a better chance than lynching the Barman claims. So, let's examine the Guest claims.
Coolio: I know that I've been bringing up that I think she's innocent a lot, but honestly, I'm beginning to doubt myself. This last day, she's been very agressive, while bringing not much else than "I'm inno so they have to be maf". She's using her previous gamestyle as proof that she's innocent. Coolio, sorry, but previous games don't really matter that much. You could be mafia trying to act like innocent, and what better way to do that than to try and imitate how you've been in the previous games? That said, if you're acting, I think your act is starting to break up. Which would make sense, as new mafia tend to overreact to suspicion and blame others to divert the attention. I'm not sure what you are, but I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Ooglie: You haven't brought anything of use to the game during the whole game whatsoever. All you've done is respond to suspicion with "WHY AM I SUSPCIOUS CAN SOMEONE PLS TELL ME I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG". Not exactly the best defence. However, you really haven't said anything else, so we have very little to go on. I'm not sure about you either, but if I had to make a choice, you wouldn't be the last I'd suspect.
Hype: quiet, hasn't brought anything to the game, has managed to stay in shadows for the most part. You were (iirc) confirmed as inno by GmK, but with what's been going on here for the last 5 pages, I have been convinced that you're most likely to be mafia.
To conclude, yes, I do believe lynching Hype is the best choice right now. If GmK would be so kind and throw the last vote, because he's the only CCd role that hasn't voted Hype yet, then that'd be great.
I'm going to say here that in no way am I going to vote right now. If Hype turns up as Terrorist, and I throw the last vote, then I will die. That would most likely be the worst thing that could happen to the town right now, considering the fact that I am otherwise impossible to kill (lynching not included, but if you guys really want to lynch a BP confirmed non-mafia, then idk what's wrong with you).
Now, on to the game itself. Guest claims, please, don't bring up "I know I'm innocent so the other guys must be mafia because I'm inno". It helps us in no way, and more importantly, if you're actually the Guest, it helps you and the town in no way. I know I used the "My POV" argument myself enough as well, but I at least tried to bring other arguments to support it as well.
Safest bet right now would be to lynch the guest claims. 66% chance, so it's a better chance than lynching the Barman claims. So, let's examine the Guest claims.
Coolio: I know that I've been bringing up that I think she's innocent a lot, but honestly, I'm beginning to doubt myself. This last day, she's been very agressive, while bringing not much else than "I'm inno so they have to be maf". She's using her previous gamestyle as proof that she's innocent. Coolio, sorry, but previous games don't really matter that much. You could be mafia trying to act like innocent, and what better way to do that than to try and imitate how you've been in the previous games? That said, if you're acting, I think your act is starting to break up. Which would make sense, as new mafia tend to overreact to suspicion and blame others to divert the attention. I'm not sure what you are, but I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Ooglie: You haven't brought anything of use to the game during the whole game whatsoever. All you've done is respond to suspicion with "WHY AM I SUSPCIOUS CAN SOMEONE PLS TELL ME I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG". Not exactly the best defence. However, you really haven't said anything else, so we have very little to go on. I'm not sure about you either, but if I had to make a choice, you wouldn't be the last I'd suspect.
Hype: quiet, hasn't brought anything to the game, has managed to stay in shadows for the most part. You were (iirc) confirmed as inno by GmK, but with what's been going on here for the last 5 pages, I have been convinced that you're most likely to be mafia.
To conclude, yes, I do believe lynching Hype is the best choice right now. If GmK would be so kind and throw the last vote, because he's the only CCd role that hasn't voted Hype yet, then that'd be great.
GmK
International Man Of Cake
Yes, but give me a moment:
1. I want to make it clear that I never fully 'cleared Hype inno' (had to sleep yesterday before I had the chance to clear that up fully) - that plan of using the Crystal Ball was flawed from the beginning.
2. Since we're in MyLo I want to be sure that Hype has the best chance of being mafia, or it's game over - and I don't want that. So give me a bit to re-read the things, I have the feeling of some logical fallacies somewhere and want to make sure. My original idea was coolio bussing ooglie, who could be the terrorist, in order to kill a towny for sure, and I am not yet fully sure if that wasn't really the case. I am also unhappy with the way Jivvi is getting out easy here with what I personally feel is a half decent proof of Jivvi being scum, but that's a personal vendetta :D
cooliorules
That Awkward Noodle
I'm only using my first season as an example. I was fairly quiet, fairly easy going and then towards the end I came out with EXTREMELY strong opinions and it seems to be something I just can't not do. It just sort of happens. When I see something that I think "Oh hey, that makes so much sense" I fight for my word until the minute I take my last breathe.
GmK
International Man Of Cake
In case we lose now, I just want to point out: Jivvi had it extremely easy to stay hidden (no matter the fact Jivvi is actually my CC and not the other way round) and could easily bus the Terorist right now or, more fittingly, knowing who is the sole remaining "real guest" vote confidently for that one using me as cover.
Personally, from seeing the day so far, I am way more inclined to think Coolio and Hype (even though, that would go against my innocence claim, so I can't really believe it) are mafia, but I am more sure about Coolio: She came out immediately for the vote against Ooglie, and was extremely defensive about it with no arguments. Only after pressure by Sploorky was she forced to switch to not look too scummy.
So, whilst I am willing to risk voting Hype, I won't do so just immediately yet, I want to give both Hunter (who voted Coolio) and Hype (who is sleeping) a fleeting chance to say one more thing as well.
GmK
International Man Of Cake
We currently have 4 votes on @HypeBurst - only one on you, where do we say we are planning to lynch you?
See, that's what we are talking about, saying something like "lynch me, I'll laugh at you" is exactly what will get you lynched, since that is exactly the way scum would try to defend themselves if everything else fails.
You really make it hard to not think you're not innocent -_-
cooliorules
That Awkward Noodle
Eh, I know what I am. I'm the guest. There's not much more I can say.
I have no underlying information, I can't access any by any means. And I meant lynch me tomorrow. I know who we're lynching today, and that will be Hype.
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
If you're town, you should do everything but not care about getting lynched. Messages like this are classic new scum behaviour and I'm with GmK now that Hype and Coolio are more likely to be scum.
GmK, the "slip-up" about Jivvi could just as well be what he said. It's still a 50% chance. He either wanted to confirm himself as town or knew that the role wasn't gonna be revealed and is bluffing right now. It's still a 50/50 chance in my opinion, so it's best to lynch from the guest claims. That's what I have to say about Jivvi right now.
GmK, the "slip-up" about Jivvi could just as well be what he said. It's still a 50% chance. He either wanted to confirm himself as town or knew that the role wasn't gonna be revealed and is bluffing right now. It's still a 50/50 chance in my opinion, so it's best to lynch from the guest claims. That's what I have to say about Jivvi right now.
cooliorules
That Awkward Noodle
I'm not going to, heck no. I fight for my word until the last breathe. Until I see the last light of day. That's why I'm so defensive, once I see something and I agree with it I will FIGHT for my word, I will keep going, I will never give up. This is probably why I don't have many friends, too lol
GmK
International Man Of Cake
Ok, rereading the current day, my theory has formed:
- I assume the mafia team is Jivvi, Coolio and Ooglie.
- I assume their plan was to get us to lynch the Terrorist, so they get a certain free kill.
- I assume Ooglie is that Terrorist, leading to the immediate vote by Coolio when the day started on him to start a bandwagon, since we were all already suspicious of Ooglie anyhow.
- Now, thing is: They would win if the only kill one towny, and wouldn't even need the Terrorist ploy. But, what I think is: They simply miscalculated. Why do I assume that? Well: Early the day there was confusion about if it is MyLo or not. And then, after that was cleared up, Ooglie once again comes in with a wrong calculation
This leads me to believe that they thought they needed a certain way to kill a towny with the terrorist since it would be hard to purely get a towny lynched.
- Sploorky and Hunter then followed by looking very logical at the situation, and very directly stated these things, with Hunter going strong against an ever groing defensive Coolio.
- When Coolio and Ooglie (and Jivvi) realised that their original plan is utter nonsense, they all quickly switched to voting HypeBurst, now realising that this is all they need in order to secure their win, without needing to bus one of their own for a Terrorist explosion kill. Sploorky supporting that helps them immensely.
Now, the only reason I think this theory applies is due to my Crystal Ball episode. I want to believe it was the real ball and I wasn't switched with the Fake Ball, since the odds are so low. In that scenario Hype is innocent and my theory is the only logical explanation, and we lose if we lynch HypeBurst.
If I had received the fake one, the theory doesn't hold up, but the chances are extremely slim of that happening.
So from my side, in order to actually keep up my only string of logic coming from the Crystal Ball, I cannot vote HypeBurst - it would undermine everything I did and I would explicitely state that I don't believe what I said a few days back (and yes, that means if we end up lynching Hype and it turns out to be scum, all bets are off for me anyhow, since I couldnt prove I received a fake ball by the Saboteur in a switch)
Since to me Ooglie is likely Terrorist (and not Jivvi, scum hopefully wasn't so clever to use their Terrorist to CC my barman claim) and my "proof" for Jivvi is substantially less certain, I can currently only vote coolio.
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- I assume the mafia team is Jivvi, Coolio and Ooglie.
- I assume their plan was to get us to lynch the Terrorist, so they get a certain free kill.
- I assume Ooglie is that Terrorist, leading to the immediate vote by Coolio when the day started on him to start a bandwagon, since we were all already suspicious of Ooglie anyhow.
- Now, thing is: They would win if the only kill one towny, and wouldn't even need the Terrorist ploy. But, what I think is: They simply miscalculated. Why do I assume that? Well: Early the day there was confusion about if it is MyLo or not. And then, after that was cleared up, Ooglie once again comes in with a wrong calculation
after we had already shown what the MyLo situation is.
This leads me to believe that they thought they needed a certain way to kill a towny with the terrorist since it would be hard to purely get a towny lynched.
- Sploorky and Hunter then followed by looking very logical at the situation, and very directly stated these things, with Hunter going strong against an ever groing defensive Coolio.
- When Coolio and Ooglie (and Jivvi) realised that their original plan is utter nonsense, they all quickly switched to voting HypeBurst, now realising that this is all they need in order to secure their win, without needing to bus one of their own for a Terrorist explosion kill. Sploorky supporting that helps them immensely.
Now, the only reason I think this theory applies is due to my Crystal Ball episode. I want to believe it was the real ball and I wasn't switched with the Fake Ball, since the odds are so low. In that scenario Hype is innocent and my theory is the only logical explanation, and we lose if we lynch HypeBurst.
If I had received the fake one, the theory doesn't hold up, but the chances are extremely slim of that happening.
So from my side, in order to actually keep up my only string of logic coming from the Crystal Ball, I cannot vote HypeBurst - it would undermine everything I did and I would explicitely state that I don't believe what I said a few days back (and yes, that means if we end up lynching Hype and it turns out to be scum, all bets are off for me anyhow, since I couldnt prove I received a fake ball by the Saboteur in a switch)
Since to me Ooglie is likely Terrorist (and not Jivvi, scum hopefully wasn't so clever to use their Terrorist to CC my barman claim) and my "proof" for Jivvi is substantially less certain, I can currently only vote coolio.
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cooliorules
That Awkward Noodle
Have fun losing!!
Anyway, I had a post ready for before the day even started, and I knew the whole time that I was simply going to vote him. Either him or Hype, but no one really understood what I was saying, and no one trusted me because yay no one ever fucking trusts me.
Then I go and fucking defend myself and suddenly "Lol she mafia"
If I'm correct, then Hype and Ooglie are mafia. GmK is also mafia, who got the ball but completely lied about it, knowing that Hype is mafie. I'm keeping my vote, don't care which of the 3 die at the end of the die, but it will be one of those three.
Anyway, I had a post ready for before the day even started, and I knew the whole time that I was simply going to vote him. Either him or Hype, but no one really understood what I was saying, and no one trusted me because yay no one ever fucking trusts me.
Then I go and fucking defend myself and suddenly "Lol she mafia"
If I'm correct, then Hype and Ooglie are mafia. GmK is also mafia, who got the ball but completely lied about it, knowing that Hype is mafie. I'm keeping my vote, don't care which of the 3 die at the end of the die, but it will be one of those three.
GmK
International Man Of Cake
*sigh* Haven't we been over this?
And all I am saying: For me it is the only possible logical thing to do in this situation, all else would be going against all my reasoning and arguments beforehand. Luckily we still have other people left that haven't voted.
Sploorky
Member
@cooliorules the reason WHY people think you are suspicious is because you won't admit that you are acting suspicious. Saying "I know I'M innocent so those guys are guilty" is a lazy, scumlike thing to say, because you're not actually helping the town out in any way if you don't provide evidence as to why you are innocent.
You constantly vehemently crying out that you are innocent is what makes me think you are guilty, that should say enough as to why your current plan is not working, yes?
You constantly vehemently crying out that you are innocent is what makes me think you are guilty, that should say enough as to why your current plan is not working, yes?
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