SCP - Secure, Contain, Mafia [GAME OVER]
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It has been clearly stated the mafia is the Chaos Insurgency. the mafia.
Any third faction is another mafia faction, unless you suspect there are 2 towns, which makes no sense.
So O5 is not another faction
I wonder why you find that suspicious. How do you get that he knows something we dont from it? What makes you think he doesnt care?
CaffeinatedKitty
Intoxicated Feline
But there's the point; we still don't know if they're town-sided or evil third party or what. They could be a mafia with a day chat, for all we know.
...now that I think about it, that seems quite likely to me. I don't trust iggy at all, and if you think about it, he blundered through his roleclaim, which he only used to save his own skin. And if you look at it, it's working. I'm not unvoting, and if it ends up a nolynch and he dies overnight and turns out to be town, so be it.
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
Ok, now that here is tunnel vision. Oak has given us "proof" that iggy is telling the truth, and while it's a fair chance that they're lying, it's also a fair chance they're not and iggy simply can't predict the consequences of his actions. We can always just let them be for now and worry about them once we have some actual proof to go with the claims of one side or another. I understand that you might believe that he is mafia, I really do, but your vote is wasted on iggy at this point, because after what Oak pulled, the majority won't follow you today. Perhaps some other day, but not this one.
Focus on others instead for now, iggy and Oak can't be the only mafia anyway.
Because all I hear is 'hes a newb' 'hes a newbie' 'he lack experience' from people, but then they question and attempt to work out further information, raxo on the other hand, has not.
I get if from the fact that he is throwing it into the hes new pile, however he is not asking any questions or persuing any investigations or detail. This either shows a lact of care, or a fact of information.
Showing that raxo can be some weird investigation role, or the last 05.
Even with oaks claim that is no basis to admit a lack of continued investigation and I stand by asking iggy234 his specific win condition.
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Perhaps he was just stating his opinion? Or perhaps you should look at context?
These are the portions of larger posts directly referring or leading to the raxo post you quoted.
Context.
Ive read the thread five times front to back. So please lets contextualate some more. Its a bit of a piss off to be called out for not reading the context of the statements. When I clearly have.
The very context of my statement is asking why raxo doesnt think he was suspicious? Just because he was new? Thats no excuse, as I'm sure he; iggy, has spoken with his brother during involvement with other games. I know I certainly talked to a close friend with no association to blocktopia about the mafia game. No rule about conversing with those that are in real life, in person, with no association to the current game, now is there.
Whe whole claim was fishy in itself, we already know he is siblings to someone who can and is familiar with mafia to which he intended to cover up and delete.
Lets just pretend that raxo is the last 05 is and that raxo isnt a town related 05 perhaps mafia? perhaps third party? Giving one 05 per allignment? Who knows time will tell. Raxo is very stubborn to reveal role, which is why oak was forced to reveal a role. Even more because raxo has an important role this time around as last time it was a bitch and a half to get to admit he was a mundane mason. Not even asking if he was headmason, only if he was mason at all.
The knowledge that the role information stated exists gave raxo the ability to slip under the rader and not need to challenge the claim. Raxo knowing that there are legitemetly two others and that iggy being killed would be literally no skin off his back.
On another theory lets pretend that raxo is a scum and doesnt have to ask people questions. He knows who is scum and really can casually float on thru to night 1. This option seems all the more viable as this is why he wouldnt fight for something as strong as an 05. As many have, giving clear indication of smart scum, or actual towny. Only having constructively said ;hes not suspicious' without any counter information or theorys or targets or change from the no lynch.
I'm not saying iggy isnt an 05, im saying his allignment from his win condition is whats in question.
As well as I'm wondering why raxo is so casual and not seeking any information so far as to be willing to go with a no lynch and has'nt changed vote or looked back from there.
vote raxo2222
CaffeinatedKitty
Intoxicated Feline
((I'll admit, I've ranted about mafia to one of my irl friends as well xD))
But anyway, that theory actually makes a lot of sense. o.o If I wasn't so stubborn, that would probably compel me into switching votes. As is, I AM so stubborn, so he's now next on my mental FOS list.
But anyway, that theory actually makes a lot of sense. o.o If I wasn't so stubborn, that would probably compel me into switching votes. As is, I AM so stubborn, so he's now next on my mental FOS list.
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Ok. I can see some of the points in your scenarios. But I feel that they are assuming too much. What makes him an O5? Why couldnt he be some other role equally important to town as a mafioso is important to the mafia?
Yeah I'm not sure, Its a real feeling and I dont want to release from it too much, but its just the air of something important is what it feels like. I havent really thought of high worth other power roles. As I was thinking the 05's would be the tops. While debateable vigilante and investigation roles are imporatn to hmm
I find it funny to think if there would be a fool role one that needs to get themselves killed by drawing lot of attention to win, that would be great 'You are the foolish researcher, you win when you get lynched or killer' I can see it now.
Generally fools only win if lynched. Dont win if killed in night.
While reading back I saw this.
Since Oak is a confirmed O5, I must ask, did you suspect him as one? What clues did he give off?
CaffeinatedKitty
Intoxicated Feline
I had my suspicions as well, but Oak wasn't one of them. After his claim, I decided one was wrong, and now I'm wondering if the other is right, even if it was the first to come to mind.
To me this is going to force to be suspicious for the rest of the game. He clearly claims he doesn't have any special powers, and I really doubt that is the kind of thing that you can mix up. Fair enough mafia is a game about suspicion and deceit but being a level 5 overseer is not the kind you make up to save your skin. I'm being forced to assume that iggy is lying about something and the only thing that comes to mind is alignment. If you ask me it's very possible that the council is something akin to a serial killer; after all they work with the same institution that had to promise not to drug our coffee when we were locked in here! Since this is just a hunch I'm not going to vote on it but I don't feel safe in taking oaks word that they are town aligned.
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
Some seriously heavy speculation here. Let's not pretend things when we have absolutely no grounds to do so.
I don't recall anyone even ever asking him his role, why on Earth should he claim when he hasn't even been asked?
Look, raxo isn't the greatest mafia player to live. Look at the other games he's played, you should see pretty well that he doesn't think as much as he should (no offense). He hasn't done anything particularly suspicious in my opinion, considering the level of skill he has in the game, so I don't regard him as particularly suspicious. When you get some evidence to back up your rather far-fetched theories here, come back to it, or explain it better to me right now, but I don't see how you can view raxo as suspicious at the moment.
Now, the thing that really sticks out to me in this is the fact that you seem to think that raxo is the last O5 member, but for some reason you still want to lynch him. Why? If iggy and Oak are telling the truth about their roles, then lynching them would be the worst decision we could come up with at the moment. Yes, I know that they've been acting quite peculiarly and yes, I too think that there is a pretty good chance that they're lying, but on the off-chance that they aren't, we shouldn't lynch them. Do you really want to risk one of our most important PRs because of a chance they might be mafia? When one of them dies and turns up as third party or mafia, or if a cop gets a guilty investigation on either Oak or iggy, then we'll talk, but your whole post is too much speculation and too little taking into account raxo's usual playstyle, that I can't view it as valid grounds for a lynch at the moment.
And you want to know this... why? If there really is three O5's and two of them are out in the open, why should we get the last one out there as well? That'll only give us three confirmed targets for the mafia for the next three nights, and I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to lose our vig council on the first three nights, especially since they might not be the only ones dying on those nights.
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
I really don't see the point of trying to lynch someone today anymore. So far, we have what possibly are two of the most important Town PR's outed on day 0. Do you really want to push another lynch on someone else forcing him/her to claim aswell?
I am all for people claiming but not on day 0. I don't want more people claiming today, so I really suggest just going No Lynch.
I am all for people claiming but not on day 0. I don't want more people claiming today, so I really suggest just going No Lynch.
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