TBD [Status: GAME OVER]

[Samlen]

First chance I've had to to catch up with a post.

So first my thoughts on Notty:
I think Notty is at least getting closer to telling us the whole truth about her role, but I'm not sure if I really believe that it's the complete truth, especially with all the purposeful confusion she is creating around herself. I do believe her win condition is to stay alive, and she's doing a decent job of it, and who knows, maybe her bomb threat is real enough to keep her alive for now during the night, and I suppose she doesn't *seem* to be a threat for right now.

Now for Ltin:
This has been quite a confusing experience, watching what Ltin has been doing. I have to admit, his gambler claim was quite convincing, and for awhile, I did believe his claim, if not quite completely his alignment (though I can't remember what alignment he has claimed actually...). But even though his claim explained some of his actions from yesterday, it didn't quite explain all of it. (i.e. when he voted hunter in the same post he said he would 'protect' him). This was certainly enough to make me suspicious of him, but now he has been bouncing around quite a bit today, and now he has admitted to blatantly lying, throwing another chip of suspicion upon him. It just feels too dangerous to have him around right now, and he most certainly has been the scummiest person I can see around here.

Vote Ltin

 

[Ltin]

Votecount 2.5



Ltin - Lee_Scar, CoffeusKittus, nottykitten, endersteve5, Ooglie101, 77_is_the_best, timdood3, samlen, (Lynch in 3)
nottykitten - Defiant_Blob (Lynch in 10)
Jivvi - Duffie (Lynch in 10)


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With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is Wednesday 7th of January 11pm GMT.
Person with most votes will be lynched

 

[digi]

NO
We switched. Wait. Hold up. K this is confusing.
That entire roleclaim (gambler) was fake.
I began to belive myself.
I am the town Busdriver. I can't switch my self.
Last night I switched hunter and Defiant.
Caf supposedly roleunblocked me or whatever that term is.
So I wasn't role blocked.
That means mafia must have gon through Defiant?

I'm seriously questioning whether or not you're the Mafia Bus Driver, because I think what you did was incredibly reckless and a big risk. You gambled (no pun intended) with our Town Man of Information who had a target on his back with Defiant Blob who's considered to be a 'big personality', and another potential target. Defiant, one of the game's active, opinionated and experienced player was probably/maybe/kind of not on the Mafia's radar?

If your claim is true, I want to be lenient because I sympathise. In one game I was the town Ghoul and it was compulsory for me to choose someone else in order to deflect a night kill. If it's mandatory that you have to select two people to drive each night, then my biggest worries are about the people you choose and the confusion that'll incur.

You're an easy LAL, but I kind of want you around because perhaps you could come in handy later on?

 

[Timdood3]

In one game I was the town Ghoul and it was compulsory for me to choose someone else in order to deflect a night kill

That was the same game when he was mime. A similar role.
People kinda went off about how that's a traditionally mafia-sided role....I'm glad that isn't happening now because traditional alignments....Don't really apply....See 3p cop.

 

[Ltin]

I'm seriously questioning whether or not you're the Mafia Bus Driver, because I think what you did was incredibly reckless and a big risk. You gambled (no pun intended) with our Town Man of Information who had a target on his back with Defiant Blob who's considered to be a 'big personality', and another potential target. Defiant, one of the game's active, opinionated and experienced player was probably/maybe/kind of not on the Mafia's radar?

If your claim is true, I want to be lenient because I sympathise. In one game I was the town Ghoul and it was compulsory for me to choose someone else in order to deflect a night kill. If it's mandatory that you have to select two people to drive each night, then my biggest worries are about the people you choose and the confusion that'll incur.

You're an easy LAL, but I kind of want you around because perhaps you could come in handy later on?

Not mandatory :)

 

[Fruit]

I'm in room C by the way, I didn't see it before.

Also, could someone give me a recap on the Ltin thing, I'm confused.

 

[digi]

Not mandatory :)

I guess if it's not mandatory you could be a bit more careful when you choose people.
Then again, I see the bad intent. You could have chosen someone else to swap with Hunter. Someone that didn't stand out as much as Defiant did.
I'm trying to be a bit more sparing because D1 I was close to voting Alpha or Hunter and they turned out to be Town Man and Alien.

 

[Ltin]

I guess if it's not mandatory you could be a bit more careful when you choose people.
Then again, I see the bad intent. You could have chosen someone else to swap with Hunter. Someone that didn't stand out as much as Defiant did.
I'm trying to be a bit more sparing because D1 I was close to voting Alpha or Hunter and they turned out to be Town Man and Alien.

I honestly didn't think Defiant stood out that much....

 

[Duffie]

... Ltin, buddy.

I'm not the type of person to LAL, but as people have said, the way you lied isn't exactly the best.

The way I see it, you made your lie so convoluted and wound up to be any possible thing... And now you're claiming you can only do one of those things.

I think what everyone's getting at is, this isn't something Town would do... And...

Well, I don't know what to think, personally... I'm not going to vote you right now, though. I'll give you the chance and mercy you deserve.

 

[Ltin]

How.........
Wtf is wrong with how?
What about the why?
Why the how specifically?

 

[digi]

Also, could someone give me a recap on the Ltin thing, I'm confused.

Ltin claimed to be the Gambler on pg.69

Fine
I am the Gambler.
Each night I select one player, and two possible actions each night. These actions are:
Kill
Roleblock
Bodyblock (as in I die if person attacked)
Switch (kinda like a bus driver or the mime role from masquerade)
Recieve any messages from the host to the player (i.e. Investigation results, etc.)
One of those two is then used on the player.
Last night I selected hunter, Bodyblock, and switch.
Nothing happened according to GmK, so I assume I was role blocked.

Forgot to add:
Once an action is used it is dropped from the list.
When there is only 1 option left the list resets, and I must use the ability every night.
I would assume it would have chosen Bodyblock, cause switch would make hunter blocked and kill me.

Was since caught out by KaffeinatedCitty

Okay, let's stick to what we know.
I know Ltin's lying about something.
How do I know this?
I'm a sort of hybrid doctor/jailkeeper; I say hybrid because I protect from any and all night actions, including roleblocking, and I do not roleblock my target. And I chose him, for the simple reason that he had already "outed" himself as a one, and why not protect my fellow doctor? Obviously, if he'd switched, Hunter would have gotten my protection(which he didn't), and if he'd bodyblocked, he'd be dead instead of Hunter.
Hence, Ltin's lying about something or another. But if it's his target, actions, or role in general...? I have no idea.

Then Ltin felt he had to claim his 'true' role on pg. 75

NO
We switched. Wait. Hold up. K this is confusing.
That entire roleclaim (gambler) was fake.
I began to belive myself.
I am the town Busdriver. I can't switch my self.
Last night I switched hunter and Defiant.
Caf supposedly roleunblocked me or whatever that term is.
So I wasn't role blocked.
That means mafia must have gon through Defiant?

 

[Enderfive]

Also, the "began to believe my own lie" part is really rubbing my brain in all the wrong ways. Just something that I noticed.

 

[Duffie]

How.........
Wtf is wrong with how?

You claimed to have a set of choices to choose from at night, and you're claiming you're only one of those choices now. I'm sorry if you don't understand, but that's not something a mere Town-Sided Bus Driver would claim...

What about the why?

The reason as to why you claimed such a thing? I'm still confused on that, myself.

Sorry for the assumption, but I assume the reason you claimed so wildly is either due to you seeing Hunter die after your night action... Or, your protecting Defiant or whoever that other person you targeted is. Either the Mafia knows something we don't, or they just so happen to choose the second target for your night action.

Why the how specifically?

Honestly, it's the clearest of the choices, showing us that you can't be town, and you act too scummy. We think you can't be town, simply because of how irrational and convoluted your claim was compared to your Town Bus Driver claim. You're confusing everyone, to put it simply.

 

[Ltin]

Also, the "began to believe my own lie" part is really rubbing my brain in all the wrong ways. Just something that I noticed.

All it was was that in considering caf's claim, I was begging to think about the implications of the claim I switched myself with hunter, NOT Defiant.

The reason I fake claimed was to attempt to convince the mafia that I was important to keep alive, because I would eventually be forced to kill.

 

[Duffie]

All it was was that in considering caf's claim, I was begging to think about the implications of the claim I switched myself with hunter, NOT Defiant.

The reason I fake claimed was to attempt to convince the mafia that I was important to keep alive, because I would eventually be forced to kill.

To me, you made it seem like you could choose freely out of your choices, not be eventually forced to choose the others. o. o

 

[Ltin]

To me, you made it seem like you could choose freely out of your choices, not be eventually forced to choose the others. o. o

I said I once an action was used I could not use it again, untill the choices reset when there is only one left.

 

[Ltin]

But that's not important now.
It appears I will be lynched. Ohh well. Mistakes were made. I won't get worked up about it.
Goodnight probably.

 

[Duffie]

But that's not important now.
It appears I will be lynched. Ohh well. Mistakes were made. I won't get worked up about it.
Goodnight probably.

My apologies on behalf of everyone here, Ltin. May your death prove useful to The Cause.

 

[77thShad]

why would mafia let you live if there was a chance that you could kill them later on? I'm confused and my vote is staying.

 

[Ltin]

My apologies on behalf of everyone here, Ltin. May your death prove useful to The Cause.

The cause? You already lost.
And it won't be.

 

[Ltin]

why would mafia let you live if there was a chance that you could kill them later on? I'm confused and my vote is staying.

They could atleast hold me off untill later.
I would have had to truthfully claim eventually.

 

[Timdood3]

All it was was that in considering caf's claim, I was begging to think about the implications of the claim I switched myself with hunter, NOT Defiant.

I am the town Busdriver. I can't switch my self.
Last night I switched hunter and Defiant.

Nope nope nope

 

[Fruit]

Most people will make a false claim for a reaction test. That's not what you were doing. You were just lying about your role, and then started to believe your own lie. (what?) This whole situation just does not feel right.

Vote Ltin

 

[Lee_scar]

At this point it is safe to say ltin is left on the lynching block.
However as we are guaranteed a lynch based on max vote I am lowering the hammer distance to prolong this day.
I want more discussion even if the final verdict is ltin,

unvote

 

[cooliorules]

Something for another day;

Notice how the past 2 days Duffie has been against the towns main idea for a lynch?

All the points that I could possibly bring up have been brought up. He's contradicted himself to hell and back as well as lying about his role (for some reason).
I can definitely see him being scum.

I would write more but I'm getting ready for a wedding so I'm a little pressed for time.

vote Ltin

soz m8.