Can we have a count of how many people are inn each in? (grammar intentional)
Accounting for dead.
<Room label>-<original count> (-<dead members>)
A-8 (-1)
B-
C-4 (-1)
D-
E-
F-
G-1 (-0)
Let's just pass this sheet around the room and everyone fill it out.
We could also have a roster of who's where, but myeh, I'm more curious about numbers.
And since we have an inn with only one person, could it be possible there is a role that moves people around? Was anyone in a different room N2 than they were N1?
Can we have a count of how many people are inn each in? (grammar intentional)
Accounting for dead.
<Room label>-<original count> (-<dead members>)
A-8 (-1)
B-
C-4 (-1)
D-
E-
F-
G-1 (-0)
Let's just pass this sheet around the room and everyone fill it out.
We could also have a roster of who's where, but myeh, I'm more curious about numbers.
And since we have an inn with only one person, could it be possible there is a role that moves people around? Was anyone in a different room N2 than they were N1?
room F has two, with a possible one dead but i think there's a fair chance ltin wasn't in the in provided he never viewed the thread to learn our identities
Let's just pass this sheet around the room and everyone fill it out.
We could also have a roster of who's where, but myeh, I'm more curious about numbers.
Yes hi it would seem GmK was evil enough to put me in an inn all by myself, since absolutely no one showed up this night either. Discussing inns is pointless, though, since there appears to be no order or system in them from which we'd be able to deduce something.
I don't want to dismiss the thought that maybe there is a system to discovering anti-town roles, and that it'll probably be useful information for us later on in the game.
I'm in Room D. Alpha was part of my room. I believe Ooglie revealed that he's in Room D as well.
Discussion slowed down, surprising. Sure they're may not be anything to talk about "right now" but it's our job to both push out our suspicions as well as reading back in order to promote discussion and move forward.
I know the holiday season generally finished by now, and that school has just started back up for many, and though I understand many are/were busy (I know I was these past few days so I wasn't posting despite the drought), the game I've noticed thus far has somewhat been dominated by a few with lots of lurking or little input from the rest. So far it looks like it's picking up, so let's keep up discussion before the deadline turns its head!
I want to begin with something that caught my attention:
Also I still want to lynch Notty. I wanted to Day 1 and I still want to. 3p cop or item maker or whatever you claim to be Hercules, it's still 3p. We have to start hitting some mafia, but Notty could always be a member of the Cult for all we know. (I also feel like Notty's playstyle is/was very weird this game. Duffie was rather weird too. Maybe the Cult has to act weird? Idk that's a dumb thought but whatever)
I'm not the best at scumhunting, but we have to start looking for mafia. I know I'm voting for a (what i believe to be) 3p right now, but we haven't hit a single mafia yet, and who knows how many there are. -snip- Vote NottyKitten
I feel like this post was conflicted. I say this namely because you focus on Notty's 3rd party-ness and the idea of the cult, yet say "we have to start looking for mafia," which feels strange seeing as from you're words your pushing for lynching Notty because you believe she is 3p, not necessarily Mafia. It feels inconsistent, and though I may be wrong in this assumption (since it feels like "looking for mafia" is just thrown in there to appear that way), I'm going to assume you mean to lynch Notty mainly off the 3p reasoning, and I have a rebuttal to said mindset. (and yes I'm going to repeat it again since I feel like this is the case, and I just saw another vote anyways so-)
I disagree with the "we need to vote off third-parties... because their third-parties!!" mindset, at least... in this current game, because frankly, third parties do not necessarily need as much attention this game than in prior ones (where there were less than and more threatening to the Mafia/Town than we have seen thus far with the deaths/claims).
We see this clearly with the fact that midnight was in fact a third-party cop:
midnightgirl24 -Third Party Independent Alignment Cop(Loses if dead at any point, wins if alive at end) - was killed
Which, despite the uncertain loyalty (whether they want to side with town or mafia), still shows that third-parties are not necessarily out for themselves in regards to role-mechanics (like how Alpha needed to "probe" players in order to win), and are beneficial to the game's discussion, and most likely(should it be in a similar vein to midnight's role), beneficial to the town.
Now, I don't necessarily want to say lynching Notty on the basis of 3p claiming is a bad thing, since it promotes discussion about said person/role and your own suspicions.
However, at this present time I do feel like voting Notty off is a mistake for those reasons alone.
Now this is just my personal opinion, but I find the evidence is strong enough to hint that Notty is in fact third-party and not some other alignment, purely based on the fact that Notty claimed on the first day that she was essentially "A Third-party cop."
And the fact that a third-party cop DID EXIST the following night, and the fact that I very much doubt that Notty would have any knowledge of such beforehand(or anyone for that matter, I know I've never seen 3p cop in a game before), does lead me to believe in his "detective badge" usage, which is why I also trust in the revealing that endersteve is essentially innocent (with healthy skepticism due to lack of knowledge in terms of roles like godfather/whatever).
I do agree with Defiant's distrust of Notty's "win condition," though I believe it is simply win by living at the end of the game like midnights rather than "winning with the town and be alive" (though from the actual post with said win condition I believe it could be interpreted either the former or the latter way)
I also stand by the fact that we don't really have to kill 3p's unless absolutely necessary (ex: serial killer should it exist) because in the end, third-parties act as a meatshield against Mafia domination (I mean c'mon, we haven't even gotten one yet), and the fact that third-parties, even should their "win condition" (should they have a unique one like Alpha's) get completed, they're win doesn't matter in the scheme of ending the game, they're just an extra player who will also win no matter the outcome, Mafia or Town win. (I guess Duffie is an exclusion since she was a cultist 3p)
So in a sense, killing 3p's don't really get us anywhere except shortening the amount of players to slowly dwindle closer to hopefully get a Mafia to be lynched, which will happen regardless throughout the progression of the game.
This is why I believe, without better reasoning to really do so, I believe lynching Notty at this present time to be a mistake, and could not see why we would even take such a course of action, and why I felt like we should look in other directions for our suspicions and possible reasonable lynches which I said in my previous post and my inn.
If I am to believe a vote on Notty is a good idea, I need to see better reasons and arguments, because thus far, I have not seen any.
I go back to what I said at the beginning of this post and the feeling that this game has largely been chugging along largely by a few players. Now whether or not this feeling is justified, whether due to the holidays/being busy/whatever or the possibility I am simply not seeing certain people post as much as I might in other games due to how much some people tend to post (drowning posts like back on D1), from what I've seen for the past 2 days, I feel like this may be a possible means of judgment even though I don't normally like using such an argument in Mafia.
This is a list of the current living players, and the "claimed"/investigated roles(afaik):
Nottykitten - Claimed third-party "Inventor" (creates any object... once?(iirc). Something to do with "Hercules" <-Yet to be explained; investigated Ender(inno'd); built bomb; new invention=????)
77_is_the_best - Claimed "Murderous Mason," kills cultists, claimed to have killed Duffie(was a cultist), presumed town
Jivvi - claimed JoaT w/presumed town alignment, used "bleed" on Hunter yet claims effect didnt go through(truth? roleblock? etc?)
endersteve5 - Investigated according to Notty's "invention," Ender is not Mafia. (also could symbolize possible Godfather role, but that could be said with any investigation); role not officially claimed.
Caffeinatedkitten - Claims Doctor, claims to have protected Ltin N1(iirc) and self N2(last night); presumed town
catgirl(numbers) - Not claimed Some kind of role that reveals who visits her(rough sleeper-esq?), no information known otherwise past that, doesn't want to reveal fully at present time
Samlen
roadtoruin (replaced raxo)
Ooglie101
Timdood3
JKangaroo
xXxFruitNinjaxXx
Lee_Scar
Mad11gab8
Defiant_Blob
digitalmez
Cooliorules
Jolteon42
Out of the 18 remaining players, 6 have claimed some sort of role(I'm counting cat as it is a bit of a claim even if not completely stated, and ender since though the role isn't claimed, we have had an investigation).
The other 12 at this time are unknown, at least, from statements in this thread.
Although it is a rather shabby theory and mostly hypotheticals, I feel like it is a bit of a start, and so I refer back to what I said yesterday:
So we had 24 players in total.
4 dead.
Let's make a rough guess at the population of alignments. It gives us a possible basis to start since we
Out of 24 people, I would assume with a single team of Mafia there would be probably 5 or 6 members. Since this is about the same number of players as Masquerade (yes I'm talking about Masq a lot. What can I say, it was a good game. Maybe I just have an itch to attend a Masquerade... Hopefully not one so bloody) we could also hold the possibility of multiple Mafia teams, or simply multiple teams of anything (since we don't know the theme and all besides "to be determined") so if there were I would theorize a similar setup if this were the case (essentially 4 per team if there were 2, less if there were more teams)
So around 6 mafia is my theory, making 1/4th of the playerbase.
We have essentially FOUR third-parties, 2 confirmed through death, and 2 through claims (Notty and Duffie?<-still dont know if they actually claimed 3p).
That's... quite a bit of third-parties. Normally (again, hypotheticals here), or more commonly from what I've seen there's normally not quite so many third-parties.
IIRC someone said amnesia may have something to do with that (but I have no idea how that can be talked about since we know to a degree that goes into PM mechanics so... o .o)
But, unless someone is lying, there could be theoretically a lot of third-parties this game. Actually I kind of see that going with the theme: "To Be Decided" - lots of third parties, since should any win it also doesnt end the game, they get to help "decide" who wins the game since they could theoretically be either side, like with midnights win condition of "being alive until the end of the game" which is just like Nottys (and to an extent Duffie since she claimed something like a survivor but Istilldontunderstandwhatsgoingonwithher)
So to keep it even... 6 third-parties? Possibly more if there were less Mafia than my prediction?
And then the rest town...
So 6(or less) Mafia
6(or more) third-parties
and essentially 12/13/more townies.
Ignoring the fact that it includes Ltin/Duffie who are now dead...
Should everyone who has claimed/investigated thus far be telling the truth of their alignment (everyone claiming town except for Notty, which imo, doesn't seem right outside of Notty's claim), then we have a possibility of at least 4-6 Mafia(what I think) remaining amoungst the other 12 players.
These are the people who I want to look at with great suspicion, not only due to the unknown of their stance, but also because a lot of these people are the ones I've felt are kind of slipping under the radar with said opinions stated at the beginning of this post (not to mention, though playstyle is a bit of an iffy argument, I feel like a lot of them are playing differently which has me suspicious.)
When I look back at the past 2 days, I notice that there's quite a few of these players amoung the top(and frankly the easiest) lynches on those days.
Ltin - 11 -CoffeusKittus, nottykitten, endersteve5, Ooglie101, 77_is_the_best, timdood3, samlen, xXxFruitNinjaxXx , cooliorules, the road to ruin, Defiant_Blob
I know someone else also pointed said observation as well, and frankly, I feel there is an incredibly high likelihood of finding a mafia player amoung those 4.
And because of said hunch, I'm gonna vote said way until something better comes up(and I have more time to go back and read more than I have currently).
So... random name for now since I want to look more closely at em. vote timdood3
Also would love to know what Jivvi did last night with his abilities(unless I completely missed it) I know Notty, Caff, and 77 told us what they did with theirs. Still curious about Jivvi's though.
I know someone else also pointed said observation as well, and frankly, I feel there is an incredibly high likelihood of finding a mafia player amoung those 4.
And because of said hunch, I'm gonna vote said way until something better comes up(and I have more time to go back and read more than I have currently).
So... random name for now since I want to look more closely at em. vote timdood3
Coincidence? I don't know. I don't really have anything to rebut this with (if it's even able to be argued) but I feel like ignoring this will just make people FoS me.
Basically, I feel like just because I voted for lynches I'm going to be FoSed no matter what. ;-;
I am in room E. As I said, there seems to be no system to the inns and therefore I don't feel like discussing them is the most productive thing to do right now.
Out of the group of four, I still feel like fruitninja is the best option. Until I hear some better arguments on the other suspects, or make time to dig through the already massive thread, I'll go ahead and place my vote.
These are what I believe the 4 names that you're all talking about: coolio, 77, timdood, and fruitninja.
I should remind people that Mafia would want me gone since they can't kill me during the night unless they blow up one of their own. So I think one of the people voting for me is Mafia(Defiant, Fruit, Jivvi). I was thinking of Jivvi first, but since Fruit is in both lists I'm gonna be voting Fruit.
