TBD [Status: GAME OVER]
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JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
What about cults?
Or are you only looking at the fact that Duffie was a third-party who just so happened to be a cultist, as that seems to be what is being quoted.
Currently, all we do know about the cult, is that there is in fact a cult, and that, should we believe it, 77's role is used to help kill off the cult.
What else do we know about the cult? Basically nothing.
Does the cult act in a similar vein to the normal cultist role, where when someone is converted they loose their original role in favour of the cultist role? Or is it otherwise? Do they possibly keep their original role and just get converted to a new win condition? Do they become third-party? Is there a twist GmK added(as he usually does) to said role to differ it from the previous role?
Is there a cultist leader? Do they all die should this cultist leader be killed or do they continue on as usual?
Because all we do know is that:
From that information alone, we don't necessarily know if the cult acts in the same way as normally, we just know that the cult meets every other night to recruit a player.
I also requote what I said before:
And so, third-parties are largely something we can deal with later on when necessary.
In the case of the cult, we have 77 to help us deal with them along the way.
We have 18 players and we haven't yet found a single Mafia. I feel like instead of going off of randomly trying to "kill of third-parties" which won't necessarily help the town in any way (and note that and the entire post regarding 3p's were mostly in reference to Notty as I feel the information we have so far does not point Notty to being a cultist, as I feel like your statement implied in regard to continuing said vote, as well as previously Alpha before they died, mainly through due to my thoughts on 3p not ending the game should they fulfill their win condition)
JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
Indeed, no one can really be "cleared" can they?... at least, until they are dead of course.
That's why we have to chose whom we want to believe is being honest with their role, or at least, whoever has the most evidence or likely possibilities to determine whether or not they are a good lynch or not.
See, I don't believe Notty is a cultist, because I believe in Notty's role due to the reasons stated before.
For example,
Though we do not know whom started as cultists, we do know that they vote every other day. My thought is that the cult was able to cult-someone Day 1, skipped Day 2 (due to duffie's role description), and will thus, tonight, be able to cult again. That means 1 person at least had to have become a cultist.
If Notty was able to use his detective badge and create a bomb the first night (if you believe that), and was decided to be chosen as a cultist, wouldn't said cultist be blown up by said bomb? Or anyone who visited Notty for that matter?
Sure, there's no stopping the possibility of Notty having been a cultist all along since the beginning of the game, but frankly that's just one of the other possibilities, just as the one I just stated is another, as well as anothers anyone else believes in.
On the subject of cults, yes, they are a threat, and yes, they will need to be taken care of. BUT they do not seem extremely powerful AND we seem to have a role made to counter them AND they will have both the mafia and the town going after them, and since there might only be one cultist atm (more if the cult started with more than one cultist, which isn't too far fetched I suppose), we should probably go find mafia members, for there is a VERY high chance that they outnumber the cult AND they kill every night (instead of converting every other night).
Now onto the subject of the Mafia.
We've had 6 dead out of 24, and not a single one of them has been a mafia member. Now I'm *guessing* that we have one mafia team, due to the fact that in order for there to be two factions, we would have had to have gotten very lucky last night with roleblocking/protecting and so on, which doesn't seem very likely to me. Now out of 24 people, 5-6 seems like a reasonable guess for how many mafia are on that team, which means we might have as many as 1/3 of the people alive as a mafia member (just might, who knows what other variables are in play... we've already seen a cult (e.g.Duffie *could* have even been a mafia member before being a cult member, who knows =/) and third-party cops, who knows what happens next...).
So the real question is this, how do we go about finding the mafia?
Usually the first answer is to look at voting patterns or their behaviour in the game so far. So far, looking at behaviour has not been very fruitful, so looking more towards voting patterns is where I would prefer to look at.
Day 1:
Alpha102 - 9 - Lee_Scar, Hunter27a1, Jivvi, 77_is_the_best, timdood3, raxo2222, cooliorules, endersteve5, xXxFruitninjaxXx
Hunter27a1 - 6 - Duffie, Alpha102, JKangaroo, Nottykitten, Ooglie101, CaffeinatedKitten
Day 2:
Ltin - 11 - CoffeusKittus, nottykitten, endersteve5, Ooglie101, 77_is_the_best, timdood3, samlen, xXxFruitNinjaxXx , cooliorules, the road to ruin, Defiant_Blob (Lynched)
As pointed out earlier, Fruit, 77, Tim and Coolio all voted for the most likely to be lynched/lynched person, with Notty, Ender, Ooglie, and Caffeina also having voted for a lynch in general on both days, so logic would dictate that we start looking among these 8 people, with a possible higher chance among the first four. The next step would be to look at how each of these 8 people voted, which is something I haven't had the time to research yet, so I'll try to get on that when I can. Though another note, while it's highly likely there are a mafia member or so among these 8, I highly doubt all of them are there, only that the more aggressive ones are there. There is a very high chance that there are sneakier mafia members out there, though we will have to find them in later days at this point.
Now onto the subject of the Mafia.
We've had 6 dead out of 24, and not a single one of them has been a mafia member. Now I'm *guessing* that we have one mafia team, due to the fact that in order for there to be two factions, we would have had to have gotten very lucky last night with roleblocking/protecting and so on, which doesn't seem very likely to me. Now out of 24 people, 5-6 seems like a reasonable guess for how many mafia are on that team, which means we might have as many as 1/3 of the people alive as a mafia member (just might, who knows what other variables are in play... we've already seen a cult (e.g.Duffie *could* have even been a mafia member before being a cult member, who knows =/) and third-party cops, who knows what happens next...).
So the real question is this, how do we go about finding the mafia?
Usually the first answer is to look at voting patterns or their behaviour in the game so far. So far, looking at behaviour has not been very fruitful, so looking more towards voting patterns is where I would prefer to look at.
Day 1:
Alpha102 - 9 - Lee_Scar, Hunter27a1, Jivvi, 77_is_the_best, timdood3, raxo2222, cooliorules, endersteve5, xXxFruitninjaxXx
Hunter27a1 - 6 - Duffie, Alpha102, JKangaroo, Nottykitten, Ooglie101, CaffeinatedKitten
Day 2:
Ltin - 11 - CoffeusKittus, nottykitten, endersteve5, Ooglie101, 77_is_the_best, timdood3, samlen, xXxFruitNinjaxXx , cooliorules, the road to ruin, Defiant_Blob (Lynched)
As pointed out earlier, Fruit, 77, Tim and Coolio all voted for the most likely to be lynched/lynched person, with Notty, Ender, Ooglie, and Caffeina also having voted for a lynch in general on both days, so logic would dictate that we start looking among these 8 people, with a possible higher chance among the first four. The next step would be to look at how each of these 8 people voted, which is something I haven't had the time to research yet, so I'll try to get on that when I can. Though another note, while it's highly likely there are a mafia member or so among these 8, I highly doubt all of them are there, only that the more aggressive ones are there. There is a very high chance that there are sneakier mafia members out there, though we will have to find them in later days at this point.
CaffeinatedKitty
Intoxicated Feline
Note how if they hadn't voted for Alpha, she would have had less votes than Hunter at day end. Not too many were truly focused on lynching a third party...though it is kind of eye-catching how they all jumped on Alpha's wagon after the first three votes, and then after four on Ltin's.
Idk if this is a semi-defense or an accusation anymore o.o
Idk if this is a semi-defense or an accusation anymore o.o
cooliorules
That Awkward Noodle
I would've gotten in earlier on the alpha one if I was caught up. I know I'm being put into the group because we all voted for them both (holy moly that's true) but don't say that I just jumped on the bandwagon.
around this time, when she mentioned the bomb item, she seemed oddly nonplussed about being targeted and killed, due to the bomb killing her assailant; going against her claimed win condition
(unless i remember wrong and it's closer to a granny item than a bomb item)
with regards to the cult, if roles are preserved, that makes it worrying that if one mafia is converted the whole mafia could be fused with the cult given enough time
i'm sort of shifting since i agree that the mafia is a priority target, and the cult seems to be quite slow growing given that they meet every second night, making them less of a problem, i guess?
Going by this I'd have to say the cult getting to Notty only makes sense. If not now at least soon.So you might be wondering why I claimed cop. Well to be fair I'm not the cop. My name is still Hercules, though I am not a cop but an Inventor. There are several things/abilities to my role.
What does my role do? I can invent one item every night and immediately hand it out. And when I say invent I mean invent. I can create any item I can think of. For example I can create an item I'll call "bomb", and if the person with the bomb dies during the night, their attacker dies with them. Or I can create an item I'll call "bulletproof vest" that will basicly make a person bulletproof for 1 kill.
And the best thing is, I can choose to keep these items for myself
Now to the things/abilities about my role, the first ability is "Multitasking". It didn't have a name but I'm calling it this. I can both create an item, and use an item on the same night. However, I can not use the item I created on the same night.
Note: passive items like the bulletproof vest I mentioned will have their effect immediately and thus if I give this to myself and am hit on the same night, I will live. However if I create for example a knife that kills people, I can not use it on the same night and will have to wait till the next night to use it. And ofcourse that night I'll also be able to create something again.
Second thing to my role, before the game started I was allowed to create one item to start with. I made this a cop-like ability thing so that I could use it during the first night. I called it the "Detective Badge" since I'm so creative with names. I am sad to say I didn't get a Mafia out of it. My result was that Endersteve5 is innocent. [Like a cop, Third Parties show up Innocent on this one]. But atleast I trust Ender right now.
Third thing to my role is that I cannot create two items that are closely related. So I cannot create any more investigative items since I already made the cop one.
And last, I created a bomb tonight which I ofcourse put on myself since I can only create one. I claimed cop instead of staying in the dark since maybe they would target me tonight and I'd blow up one of them. But I guess that can still happen if they choose to get rid of me. If I go out I'll go out with a blast.
GmK
International Man Of Cake
Votecount 3.4 - the one where FRIDAY AGAIN HELL YEAH
nottykitten - [fa=fa-user][/fa] [fa=fa-user][/fa] [fa=fa-user][/fa] - Defiant_Blob, xXxFruitNinjaxXx, Jivvi (Lynch in 7)
Jivvi - [fa=fa-user][/fa] - Lee_Scar (Lynch in 9)
xxxFruitNinjaxXx - [fa=fa-user][/fa] [fa=fa-user][/fa] [fa=fa-user][/fa] - 77_is_the_best, endersteve5, nottykitten (Lynch in 7)
timdood3 - [fa=fa-user][/fa] - jKangaroo (Lynch in 9)
Not voting: digitalmez, Jolteon42, Mad11gab8, catgirl(numbers), CaffeinatedKitty, Ooglie101, timdood3, samlen , cooliorules, the road to ruin
With 18 alive it will take 10 to lynch.
Deadline: Monday 12th of January 8pm GMT.
Mooglie
The Local Cow
Sorry for not participating as much today as the others, first week back at school has been hectic and stuff.
I agree that Notty is lying about the win condition aaaand~
Fruit does look like another viable candidate though, but leaning a bit more towards Notty at this point.
I agree that Notty is lying about the win condition aaaand~
I don't like this >:c It's suggesting specifically for 77 to visit them since they won't get killed since it's a visit and not a kill, but if Notty was a cult member recruited by Duffie then the action would count as a kill and 77 would be ded, losing our main chance at cult-finding. It would kinda make sense for Duffie to recruit Notty over most others since presuming they gain access to a Room-like chat then Notty can invent things for the other members.
Fruit does look like another viable candidate though, but leaning a bit more towards Notty at this point.
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
Well I did not think of this, it was more a way of saying I'm not cult and if you want to prove it let 77 visit me. Didn't think about the fact that 77's visit would kill me sincei'mnotcult.
You know you love them
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
Pretty sure he meant that if you were a cult member, then 77 would kill you and you would kill 77, because of the bomb. If you're not a cult member, then nothing happens.Well I did not think of this, it was more a way of saying I'm not cult and if you want to prove it let 77 visit me. Didn't think about the fact that 77's visit would kill me sincei'mnotcult.
You know you love them
Yeah that's true but it's not a good trade. We have someone who can kill someone who only dies if their anti town, and since Notty has that bomb but is only a minor cultist we still have a problem with the cult. This of course doesn't factor in Notty may have a bullet proof vest and thus she will live on, at the very least forcing us to lynch her tomorrow and buying the cult another day to recruit, the mafia another night to kill, and what ever other nefarious 3rd parties that may be lurking about... all in all 77 visiting Notty does nothing to establish innocence because there's no telling when Notty will be recruited. I'm developing an FOS on Notty
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
The fact that 77 visiting her does nothing to establish innocence goes for every single one of us, not only Notty, because every single one of us is a possible recruit (except for 77, I presume, on the assumption that he's telling the truth about his own role), so I don't really see where you're getting at.
Honestly, I think you're seeing ghosts where there are none to see.
Are you the cult leader?
My point is that Notty has a very powerful role. We don't really have any roles out there that directly hurt the cult besides 77 who isn't an option to recruit IIRC. Who knows what gadget Notty is gonna pull out next, I'm just saying if you were a member of the cult who would you target? Some randy? The doctor who may or may not save them/stop the mafia from winning? Or Hercules who can make up whatever gadget and make it happen/use a different gadget? It doesn't take a tactical genius to to decide between those choices
Fruit
Brrraaaaaiiiinnnnsss
JKangaroo
I was trying to say more along the lines of I want to lynch notty now, but really focus on looking for mafia tomorrow.
Looking back it is quite conflicting, and even that right there is probably still conflicting.
Also, I need to go back and read because I missed something.
Nottykitten didn't you say day 1 something along the lines of "I don't have a bomb" or "I won't blow up"(too lazy to find post on my phone). Something like that. But now you do have a bomb?
(I'm still confused about notty. I missed when she claimed inventor. I need to look for the post. (Or someone can find it for me <3))
I also have a question about how one of nottys inventions proved ender steve (I think I read that)
I must have skipped over a page or two because I missed something.
I was trying to say more along the lines of I want to lynch notty now, but really focus on looking for mafia tomorrow.
Looking back it is quite conflicting, and even that right there is probably still conflicting.
Also, I need to go back and read because I missed something.
Nottykitten didn't you say day 1 something along the lines of "I don't have a bomb" or "I won't blow up"(too lazy to find post on my phone). Something like that. But now you do have a bomb?
(I'm still confused about notty. I missed when she claimed inventor. I need to look for the post. (Or someone can find it for me <3))
I also have a question about how one of nottys inventions proved ender steve (I think I read that)
I must have skipped over a page or two because I missed something.