TBD [Status: GAME OVER]

[JKangaroo]

I'm third party I win when the cult is dead why do I want an investigation power that shows 3rd parties innocent that doesn't help me at all and it's just made me a target since I'm pretty much a role cop. You've practically screwed me JK because now I'm a target to the mafia which I wasn't before of course I wanted to hide my power.
The main advantage for this power was me having it and maybe it keeping me alive because I am more than willing as acting as a cop because I can use my normal actions and my investigation on the same night.

I really wanted this to be a secret :c

Still not understanding.

1) You don't have to use it if you didn't want to, but you did. The only thing I would say is screwing you is, if you are indeed telling the truth, then there really was no point in "lying"about what happened with the investigation item unless you were trying something malicious with it, as if you really do want the cult, then it is helpful, as it lets you know who is guilty and who is not, which, if cult turn up 3p like Duffie did, but you get a guilty, it helps rule out a possible person to be apart of the cult, but it also benefits the town and players who win once reaching the end of the game. It's a win-win situation. (well, loose if you want to support mafia or etc but meh).
2)If you wanted it to be a secret why say you have a module and why claim to use it? Its strange.

 

[JKangaroo]

I am still confused by these arguments but will reread again, though I'm not sure if I'll see a difference.

 

[77thShad]

To be honest, I'm confused by yours
I don't think we're on the same path here.

 

[The Road to Ruin]

I think I understand and can elaborate.

77 is an anti cult role. The mafia doesn't like the cult. The mafia therefore leaves 77 alone. JK gave 77 an investigation item which allows for him to investigate alignments. Last night 77 used that to investigate defiant. Defiant came up as guilty when investigated. 77 lied about it by claiming he got a janky investigation module. 77 hoped that this would allow him to spot light a mafia member while remaining a "pro mafia role". JK gave a legit item and thought 77 was mistaken about the authenticity. JK confirms that the item is multiple use. The mafia now sees 77 as willing to use this against the mafia and is now "too dangerous to live".

Does that clear things up?

 

[Defiant_Blob]

This is making no sense actually
No idea why 77 would feel the need to lie if he were indeed siding with town

 

[JKangaroo]

I think I understand and can elaborate.

77 is an anti cult role. The mafia doesn't like the cult. The mafia therefore leaves 77 alone. JK gave 77 an investigation item which allows for him to investigate alignments. Last night 77 used that to investigate defiant. Defiant came up as guilty when investigated. 77 lied about it by claiming he got a janky investigation module. 77 hoped that this would allow him to spot light a mafia member while remaining a "pro mafia role". JK gave a legit item and thought 77 was mistaken about the authenticity. JK confirms that the item is multiple use. The mafia now sees 77 as willing to use this against the mafia and is now "too dangerous to live".

Does that clear things up?

That's what I was thinking at first, but I still think there's still too many strange and weird holes, especially by the reasoning you just stated. (which I guess it also what I said before: why claim to have gotten the module from me as "try to spot a mafia" by lying but you don't want to be suspected of anything yet the process itself basically brings that attention? It's just strange to me.)

But I don't want a vote yet I guess because basically no one has talked yet since the day just started.
I'm still curious about the other powerroles because Im certain they will shed better light than any of the current arguments, i'm especially interested in a possible lie detection by Mad.
But if nothing happens ill probably return to this vote.
Unvote 77

 

[77thShad]

Reread some stuff and I've come to a realisation we're all in some serious trouble if I'm lynched today, the only truth JK has said all game is about giving me a power which I'm starting to believe is switched around anyway, making Defiant innocent. DO NOT LISTEN TO JK.

Vote 77_is_the_best

 

[Defiant_Blob]

tfw you vote for yourself

 

[77thShad]

Lmfao idek what I'm doing just whatever happens don't trust JK
Vote samlen

 

[The Road to Ruin]

 

[CaffeinatedKitty]

What the hell
...
I've only gotten more confused as I read the last page, and it has reached a peak.
...

Vote 77_is_the_best

 

[Enderfive]

tfw you vote for yourself

...yeah, I mean... uhm... who would do that, right?


Anyhow, I'm torn between 77 and Jolt right now. On one hand, we have 77 doing... weird stuff. Right now he's basically the opposite of what he usually is, and considering he goes like this right as we have Jk and others exposing flaws in his version of what happened... yeah, I don't think I need to explain myself much here.

On the other hand, though, is a third party that claims a kill role. Gee, I wonder what could go wrong there, he should totally live. /sarcasm

So I'm in a bit of a dilemma here. I'm open to suggestions on who to vote, although I'll think things over myself as well.


Also

>hurr durr jk is lying dun trust him
>votes himself
>votes someone completely irrelevant

ok

 

[Defiant_Blob]

Jolt is the safe vote, we know they are killing and are 3rd party.
While Jolt could serve to help us, he could just as easily hurt us.

 

[The Road to Ruin]

Vote Jolteon

I'm not sure what's going on with 77. Jolt is confessed 3rd party killer, all I need to know.

 

[GmK]

Votecount 6.1 - the one where wat?
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Samlen - 1 - 77_is_the_best (Lynch in 6)
77_is_the_best - 1 - CaffeinatedKitten (Lynch in 6)
Jolteon - 1 - the road to ruin (Lynch in 6)

Not voting: Mia (Mad11gab8), Ooglie101, Samlen, catgirl(numbers), Jolteon42, xXxFruitNinjaxXx, Defiant_Blob, jKangaroo, Enderfive (endersteve5)


With 12 alive it will take 7 to lynch.
Deadline: Approx. one week. Tuesday 10th February 23pm GMT

 

[JKangaroo]

I still don't understand 77's arguments. ;-;
But I'm not even sure where to start.

But like my vote, wouldn't voting right now be a little rash? We have 10 players and no idea how many actual enemies are left for us to deal with.
I still think we should at least wait for responses on last nights events from other power roles like Mad or Caff so we can get all bases covered in terms of information.

 

[JKangaroo]

Actually I just realized something in terms of a theory I had previously that was never really touched.
Here is the role claim by Defiant previously:

Alright, so I'm a Vigilante with a Persecution Complex.
Every night, I must kill one person who voted me during the day.
If no one votes me during the day, I perform no action.
I have town win conditions (all threats to town eliminated).
The only person I have killed this game is Alpha102.

Which makes me useless for killing Mafia now :y

And here is my theory involving probably the most silent person in the game so far, being catgirl:

• catgirl(numbers) - An anomaly. Okay no, now I'm almost certain my theory I stated above about cat is correct. I direct everyone to what she said back on Page 82:

Spoiler: Catgirl's quote:

Alpha targetted me night 1. Nobody targetted me night 2. That's all that happened. If it wasn't obvious by my statement on the last day correcting the speculation on Alpha's actions and a thing I said in the inn last night about you knowing what happens to me, I can see who targets me at night. There's more to my role but I'd rather not claim yet, sorry.

Seeing as Alpha also DIED Night 1... unless someone also targeted Alpha, I'm almost certain they died by cat's hand, which could also explain why (at least I'm pretty sure cat was the one who was saying this) she didn't want townies visiting her during the night. Cat's been one of the quietest players this game, so I don't have the best opinion of her, at first the vague claims felt strange, but I feel my opinions are slowly solidifying in favour of cat.... but I still find quite a bit about her as curious....

Now frankly, even though its a theory, the fact that Alpha targeted catgirl does in fact lead to a peculiar situation, as since we don't know anything outside of catgirl's role besides her claim to see who visits her as well as posts for the town to not visit her I believe this may ALSO be a possible scenario.

So I want to ask catgirl12466 to expand upon her role for us.
Because we may end up in a situation where someone is lying.

 

[CaffeinatedKitty]

Well, considering the fact I thought he was a cop-like role, I protected jolt last night. Someone tried to hit him, and failed. Obviously.

 

[JKangaroo]

Well, considering the fact I thought he was a cop-like role, I protected jolt last night. Someone tried to hit him, and failed. Obviously.

If that's the case I would definitely say that voting Jolt at this point is a bad/pointless/rash decision.
We still don't know how many Mafia are left, but it should be the priority for townies, not lynching third-parties, especially if we can assume that it was the Mafia who targeted Jolt.
We have 10 players left, and lynching a third-party, without good or at least some evidence that isn't that they are a killing-role, would merely be a waste of a person who can buffer against the Mafia.

...Though I am still curious about if and if so, who, he used his bomb on.

 

[Jolterino]

Two "third party" claims seem a bit hasty to vote somebody eh?

 

[CaffeinatedKitty]

...we should probably go back and look for those that were dead set on lynching third parties and wasting precious time rather than searching for mafia. We may well find some.

 

[Jolterino]

I can't not use my bomb once it's pumped to the max.

 

[Mia]

I still have one lie detection left. Not sure who really stands out the most for me at the moment, I will do a bit of reading after school.

 

[catgirl12466]

Alright, yeah, sorry.

So I want to ask catgirl12466 to expand upon her role for us

Right, that's the one reason I was a little worried about claiming, 'cause I...kinda have a killing role too? Your granny hypothesis wasn't too far off.

I'm the town gun shop owner. I can see who targets me at night, and choose to shoot them or no. I did not kill Alpha, as I was kinda absent. Night 1 lasting 'til the deadline was...kinda my fault. x)

Yeah, it's minimalistic compared to some of what's been shown so far, but anyway.

I'll reiterate that so far I've been targeted by Alpha N1, and nobody else. I haven't killed anyone.

No contradiction with Defiant's claim, or I would've come down on it with force much earlier. Sure solves the mystery of what the heck happened to Alpha though. That's 2 N1 kills "solved", if Defiant's claim holds water.

As for who to vote, my FoS at the moment is between 77 and Road. Unfortunately in my mind they're both cult, not mafia. Reasons are 77 had no reason for all these module shenanigans, and then crying that his cover was blown. And Road is quite heavily defending 77, plus some weirdness from yesterday implying that he's cult.

Actually, waaait a second. Road, you vote Jolt because he's a 3P killer... yet you let Defiant's claim slide when he's already killed someone, and need I remind you that your OWN CLAIM so far is that of a 3P lyncher? I suppose I'm next on the suspect line now for having a gun. :/

 

[The Road to Ruin]

It's really quite simple. Jolt is a killing role 3rd party role which is a safe way to vote, one less person who can kill me or my target, right? Also one less person helping the mafia at night. I don't want to vote for defiant because if that doesn't go well I may end up dead. I'm defending 77 because of these cult allegations, I made an assumption that people are mistaking for a slip; my hope is tonight 77 will investigate me and confirm me not cult. I had hoped my claim would be lie detected but it was not meant to be I suppose.

You'll have to remember I'm not trying to eleminate all threats to town. I have one target and there are 3 possibilities, that target is dead and I lost already, that target is dead and I won already, or my target is still alive and I'm no more dangerous than any miscellaneous third party. I don't have any night powers so you're of no threat to me catgirl12466. Still once I win, or if I've already lost, I'm a warm body between town and mafia, or town and cult depending on whose winning. And all things considered I just plain like playing mafia, so staying in the game as long as possible is simply an interest to me no matter whose side I'm on.