Escape and Restart
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Friendy
SMP Overlord & Events Manager
Everyone has made very good points here and I feel the Administrators should take these on board, whether they agree or not it seems to me that this is the best way forward.
Referring to Paceboys, the whole point of having an SMP server is to survive, why do we need an unrational diverse amount of plugins to create a "lore" or 40,000 different rules and unwritten rules to maintain peace, I'd love to know why staffing has become lazy? Why place so many rules there when you can literally have the simplest of rules, and if someone doesn't abide them, then cya later; if they grief, reverse the damage, if they raid illegally, give them the items back.
I'm not meaning this in a way that staff members are lazy, I mean it in a way that staff would go more out of their way for the playerbase two years ago than they do now, as if the staff quality has dropped -- I understand this could be due to the lack of players, being bored now or unmotivated.
I would love to see Staff Picks Of The Month, something I have seen before where the staff volunteer to write up an anonymous list of players they've seen most helpful or most dedicated to the server which would allow the administrators, if they've been inactive or cannot play for some reason to know who is the next best candidate for a Staff rank, or something a long the lines.
This may seem a bit rash, but I feel like the community needs to be reset; build a server or two, release them and close the others, remove the dead, pointless other servers and/or games, make the forums more child friendly with a possible PG+ section that allows swearing to keep the older players happy in terms of swearing or posting whatever shit they like idk, revert back to Blocktopia or a new name, as I do not think the current branding is catchy and wouldn't really make sense?
Just me rambling on, but something drastic needs to be done to save the community.
Referring to Paceboys, the whole point of having an SMP server is to survive, why do we need an unrational diverse amount of plugins to create a "lore" or 40,000 different rules and unwritten rules to maintain peace, I'd love to know why staffing has become lazy? Why place so many rules there when you can literally have the simplest of rules, and if someone doesn't abide them, then cya later; if they grief, reverse the damage, if they raid illegally, give them the items back.
I'm not meaning this in a way that staff members are lazy, I mean it in a way that staff would go more out of their way for the playerbase two years ago than they do now, as if the staff quality has dropped -- I understand this could be due to the lack of players, being bored now or unmotivated.
I would love to see Staff Picks Of The Month, something I have seen before where the staff volunteer to write up an anonymous list of players they've seen most helpful or most dedicated to the server which would allow the administrators, if they've been inactive or cannot play for some reason to know who is the next best candidate for a Staff rank, or something a long the lines.
This may seem a bit rash, but I feel like the community needs to be reset; build a server or two, release them and close the others, remove the dead, pointless other servers and/or games, make the forums more child friendly with a possible PG+ section that allows swearing to keep the older players happy in terms of swearing or posting whatever shit they like idk, revert back to Blocktopia or a new name, as I do not think the current branding is catchy and wouldn't really make sense?
Just me rambling on, but something drastic needs to be done to save the community.
I'm not going to go into great depths to defend Kami, for the most part I've tried to put it behind me since I resigned. I announced my resignation to the Admins several months ago, I then told the Kami staff of my resignation on May 16th in the Kami staff forum, I had assumed my rank would be removed and that would be my indication to the community, that didn't happen for some reason. Kami technically doesn't have a Director, when I resigned Oak said he didn't want a co-Director and then a couple weeks after told me he was resigning, which I don't blame him, and while I don't know what the future of Kami is, I personally don't think it has one or has had one in quite some time.
What? This made me chuckle. So in the effort to enforce a clearer transparency I'll explain.
We have never had more then three plugins in relation to a lore plugin set, other plugins are focused on protection, logging, chat, content and further, but not lore.
While there have been plugins that may assist the lore, such as teleporting a player; those plugins are not lore centric and thus are not inclusive to being a 'lore plugin' since their operation was needed lore or no lore. In example worldborder, worldedit and worldguard. While each of those three have duties affixed to assisiting the lore they were going to be included even in a vanilla setting simply to assist staff and content.
For kami's there were actually two plugins centric for lore, which relying on a singular plugin for the 'core' of the lore is what spelled doom for kami's instead of spreading it across an "irrational diverse amount of plugins". Since the plugin failed the server had no fall back. As well as spelling doom for lore that did not have a viable plugin to establish and run what we wanted.
Further in review Primordia had a singular plugin for lore, DoD had three for lore, Phantoms smp had two, smp right after phantoms had one, smp before primordial had two. This is only counting a plugins added for the sole purpose of lore and has no other central uses.
In turn I am intransigent on the ideal of including higher numbers of plugins to have a fallback system and include more events and content for the players beyond the basic. That way given the possibility that should one collapse because of a bug or update there would be enough content to really ignore the collapse of one and continue to enjoy the remaining.
I'm not defending Kami's I'm giving transparency into the failings since there is all this speculation. I've already accepted my own fault in the dealings and given a lot of time and effort into various things to rectify this. However its getting exhausting how all these conversations all become a repeating record about kami's when I have clearly been transparent enough in explaining things. Seems the information just isn't sticking.
The smp purposed there would basically be a vanilla smp, which wouldn't be a problem. The consistency issue though is the ability to have individuals support and provide content.raxo2222 said:
Also 500 block pve would need to be hedged down to like 50-100 block around a town considering there can predictably be upwards of ten to twelve towns starting opening of the map. As well since 3000x3000 is apparently large enough considering people complain about anything bigger the map would become claimed almost instantly.
As far as plugins though I could handle setting up a map like that esily and there are several plugins that would accomplish everything.
The only snag though is an anticheat plugin, there are a rash of cheaters in our community and if you look at the results from the past three smp's you can clearly identify them. Given most anticheat causes tremendous latency issues with players because they either send false packets or they ensure to check the player too often and again those packets clog up players ping.
I'm going to change the subject real quick on staff.
One idea I had while I was trying to fall asleep last night is to bring back staff voting in two manners- one for players to vote, and one for staff to vote. The reason being that it pulls multiple perspectives in. For example, these reviews could be pulled on a fictional staff member based on both results:
LolNoobs717:
Staff: The staff reviews were almost all the same, saying "LolNoobs is a great staff member, and since he's been staffing, thee amount of rule breakers on the server has noticeably been decreased."
Players: The players, however, had a different viewpoint, often saying "LolNoobs is way overstepping is boundaries- while no other staff members are on, he often abuses worldedit and hands out punishments that are far too harsh, or unreasonable. For example, earlier this week a new player griefed someone's house, and Lol tempbanned him, even though it was only his first offense."
While I'm sure the situation above is unlikely, it is also entirely possible that two different perspectives could be pulled, and I think this needs to be tried out, at least for a month or two.
One idea I had while I was trying to fall asleep last night is to bring back staff voting in two manners- one for players to vote, and one for staff to vote. The reason being that it pulls multiple perspectives in. For example, these reviews could be pulled on a fictional staff member based on both results:
LolNoobs717:
Staff: The staff reviews were almost all the same, saying "LolNoobs is a great staff member, and since he's been staffing, thee amount of rule breakers on the server has noticeably been decreased."
Players: The players, however, had a different viewpoint, often saying "LolNoobs is way overstepping is boundaries- while no other staff members are on, he often abuses worldedit and hands out punishments that are far too harsh, or unreasonable. For example, earlier this week a new player griefed someone's house, and Lol tempbanned him, even though it was only his first offense."
While I'm sure the situation above is unlikely, it is also entirely possible that two different perspectives could be pulled, and I think this needs to be tried out, at least for a month or two.
LISTINGS09
Ain't afraid of no ghost
SMP specific as I'm not here for anything else to be honest - I either don't have or have no interest in the other servers provided.
On map sizes. Force people walk any distance and they'll complain, let them choose where they live and they'll end up going double that distance just to stop being robbed/pvp'd.
I'd argue a functional economy system would be a must for any SMP server. This could be extended further to mobs to only drop money instead of items, forcing players to use the economy allowing items to be controlled via cost or stock and hopefully keep things balanced, while allowing players to trade.
An economy can be used to set the pace of the server, milestones (i.e the provision of eyes for the end, or ingredients in limited quantites) could be used as events, locations a player must find or a level reached in a town.
The Nether would also be limited; no portals for players - Only staff may place portals in set locations (again either after a 'town' reaches a certain stage and/or hidden around the world for players to find).
Diamond ore and Emerald ore should be swapped around or diamond ore removed altogether and diamonds only be acessible from the shop. Consider disabling the wearing/crafting of diamond Armor/Swords, idk if this is worth doing vs Power/Sharp Iron.
I wouldn't really cater to pvp on the server, without going as far as removing it entirely. It's pretty broken in its vanilla form even if you don't have any lag/pc issues., instead focus on people working together to achieveimpossible goals.
As always, everyone has suggestions, but not the time to implement them. I'm no different.
On map sizes. Force people walk any distance and they'll complain, let them choose where they live and they'll end up going double that distance just to stop being robbed/pvp'd.
I'd argue a functional economy system would be a must for any SMP server. This could be extended further to mobs to only drop money instead of items, forcing players to use the economy allowing items to be controlled via cost or stock and hopefully keep things balanced, while allowing players to trade.
An economy can be used to set the pace of the server, milestones (i.e the provision of eyes for the end, or ingredients in limited quantites) could be used as events, locations a player must find or a level reached in a town.
The Nether would also be limited; no portals for players - Only staff may place portals in set locations (again either after a 'town' reaches a certain stage and/or hidden around the world for players to find).
Diamond ore and Emerald ore should be swapped around or diamond ore removed altogether and diamonds only be acessible from the shop. Consider disabling the wearing/crafting of diamond Armor/Swords, idk if this is worth doing vs Power/Sharp Iron.
I wouldn't really cater to pvp on the server, without going as far as removing it entirely. It's pretty broken in its vanilla form even if you don't have any lag/pc issues., instead focus on people working together to achieve
As always, everyone has suggestions, but not the time to implement them. I'm no different.
General staff should not be of order right now. The most important thing is to first get actually attractive servers. To achieve this first ER needs to review the current head staff and possibly even look for new people for administrative roles so that the basis starts on motivated, smart people. Then it is important to start working on the actual basis, the servers, with the talent currently in ER I think it is reachable to come up with decent server ideas that are actually fun to play (somewhat regardless of how many players online) to build up a better playerbase. Only then it is necessary to appoint actual operators for the servers.
Even though it is a bit harsh, I would suggest to remove all staff ranks and servers right now (it has no points to keep this up). Then possibly use aspects of others servers that people loved in the new servers and give old staff members along with new members a chance to apply for positions to staff the servers. Right now not level of staff is okay, but really not great, a bigger playerbase could improve that.
Edit; Summary of what I think should be done:
- Review/Appoint the team of administrators.
- (Temporarily) Remove every server and other staff rank existing.
- Build up new servers with help of the community.
- Appoint new staff members for the servers.
Even though it is a bit harsh, I would suggest to remove all staff ranks and servers right now (it has no points to keep this up). Then possibly use aspects of others servers that people loved in the new servers and give old staff members along with new members a chance to apply for positions to staff the servers. Right now not level of staff is okay, but really not great, a bigger playerbase could improve that.
Edit; Summary of what I think should be done:
- Review/Appoint the team of administrators.
- (Temporarily) Remove every server and other staff rank existing.
- Build up new servers with help of the community.
- Appoint new staff members for the servers.
Pick Yer Poison
is a kid now, is a squid now
Friendly reminder that if you have any complaints about staff members or have been treated unfairly that you may contact a higher-up like myself about it! It's better to go to the person in charge of that staff member, but if you're not sure who that is, contact me and I can help you.
(for real though swearing is not really that big of a deal, does anyone actually get uncomfortable from it?)
I DO WHAT I WANT
(for real though swearing is not really that big of a deal, does anyone actually get uncomfortable from it?)
Apparently so, Which is why I've been looking for a plugin that allows a person to /toggle adult or something like that and it literally filters all the 'bad words' from the server for that player. Forums should(has?) have a profane toggle option as well, that way we get freedom and those that are sensitive retain their freedom as well.
One situation in particular comes in mind, back a few months before AoD was shut, a younger player (cant remember the name) would always make it so he couldn't see chat because of language. There are certainly players offended by language, and honestly I don't think it's just an age thing.
This is a very good solution, and I think the other servers (and forums, as you said) should look into it as well.
Its really a matter of having a plugin that understands the bad words and can configure with chat plugins and permissions plugins easily enough.
I have a huge list of plugins I need built or help finding, but that's secrut.
I've already bothered people with talent enough as it is I think v.v so yeah >.>
Nillbugwtw
Zombier than thou.
Sweet, bookmarked and added to my list of plugins, thank you.
So that's 5/mystery number I have that is new.
Also before anyone says it; yes I am outsourcing in requesting people to throw plugins they know of my way,
Mainly because its taking a lot of my attention to do certain things.
Willchill
Blocktopia's Official Octopus
I entirely agree with you there. To put it bluntly, what have the head staff done in the past few weeks and even months? We have hardly heard or seen any action from them whatsoever, even when we have brilliant ideas coming from those who actually want to see the community survive. Perhaps I will even make a thread soon for discussion on this particular topic. Perhaps it is a lack of motivation or passion on their part, but in their position I believe it is one of their responsibilities to resign if they do not wish to support the community any more, like a certain admin (san00b) should have done a year or two ago.
Super's been gone for a couple of weeks, and Baker disappeared about a week ago. So yes, I do agree. It doesn't make too much sense to me that I, and several others, have no staff rank at all, but still put the Head Administrators to shame in their activity (And only one of them has seen and contributed here, thank you nill.)
SirComputer
Rainmaker
Just to let you know, we do have a staff thread, but it seems the players are making more progress on here than the staff thread - we're mainly complaining about the lack of contribution by head staff too.
Nillbugwtw
Zombier than thou.
Community-wide post incoming on this subject, likely later today or early tomorrow. The Server Admins have been considerably more active than myself and the other admins, and have been trying to get things done even without CA involvement - expect that to change, as I'd like to roll out some much needed changes to the community in the near future.
Pick Yer Poison
is a kid now, is a squid now
It is worth noting that it's the job of server head staff to deal with ban appeals, staff promotions/demotions, new content, and things respective to their servers, and the job of forum staff (like myself) to deal with threads getting out of hand, users needing account help, and other things related to the forums. That's why you often don't see some head staff as visibly active as others on the forums - as a Community Admin, Nil's job is primarily to deal with issues affecting the entire community and to help keep our small corner of the internet alive and growing, which should indicate how critical this is seen as since he's stepped in to comment on it.