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At the moment I really got no clear view of who might be scum and all the town role claims just...don't really convince me.

What I think is going on
Jolt: not really convinced but could be town jailer

Duffie: sounds like an antagonist of Vatumok so probably third party (wondering what win condition it has)

Hunter: says templar but in the morning of d1 accusing notty of being in the same chat as naoh so kinda sketchy about his claim of being a "useless townie"

Notty: I had the feeling of believing notty amd backing her up/relieving a bit of accusations from her but also a bit sketchy now about her role claim.

Erik: watcher, quiet positive about this

Further I would love to know what roles Aqua and Infected_alien got
 

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you know what would be absolutely hilarious?
if everyone's claim was legit and both the lynches are on not-mafia like what happened in TBD day 1
Honestly, that's probably true, but only because I'm here. It's a Duffie curse.

But I'm sticking my guns, as I have faith that there aren't two townie jailers and--


Duffie: sounds like an antagonist of Vatumok so probably third party (wondering what win condition it has)
I'm not a Third Party. ;w;
 

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Actually could we Lynn masters ten? Sadly he's also added basically no info to this thread either other then vodka XD
lynch mastersten
Fucking autocorrect
I stated many times:
Vodka has nothing to do with my role, I add it cause of the theme

And further if everyone asks me why I use vodka instead of my actual role, I could've contributed a bit more then my opinions and summaries



And non alcoholic vodka, seems legit
 

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Of course I meant that if people asked more about my actual role instead of vodka
I stated many times:
Vodka has nothing to do with my role, I add it cause of the theme

And further if everyone asks me why I use vodka instead of my actual role, I could've contributed a bit more then my opinions and summaries



And non alcoholic vodka, seems legit
 

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*wakes up to over 10 pages of discussion.*
And hey, I can't help being inactive because I'm asleep and you all post when I'm not here. We don't all have the same timezones y'know.
Seriously you said the same thing yesterday. Plus 10 pages is quite a lot to read through. Plus I like to not post often but post long posts which is kinda my thing because rushing through posts just makes things confusing for everyone involved so please stop saying I'm inactive just because I can't happen to read the thread and over 10 pages gets posted during that time making me "inactive". x)

I agree that we definitely need an actual vote count.

I'm going to agree and feel Jolt's roleclaim is more scummy than Duffies, for some reasons stated by people before.
1) I still feel it's weird Jolt dodged the question for awhile about visiting Notty after erik's claim and took awhile afterwards to even start to explain it with the role-claim. Plus I feel like with the trend of people saying their flavour name and their role name usually in the same post, it feels weird that Jolt only mentions it later. The second part involving the flavour name isn't strong, its a personal thing I find strange. I don't consider the "flavour name too similar" to be a good argument and can probably be ignored.
2) I also have a flavour-ish rolename, similar to what many other people are saying they too have. Simply being called "the town Jailer" feels too vanilla. Remember: Priz has been hyping this game up to have incredibly unique/strange powers and roles we haven't seen before.
All we know about that so far are the Day Zero deaths in which all we learned were the "Vanilla role names" which doesn't make sense unless we are deliberately having information not being provided to us.
This is what makes Duffie's role more convincing: because with all this talk of potatoes and the sort of "something might happen to Tim/Notty if one or the other dies" sort of speculation has that aspect of "not knowing what to expect" with this game.
Duffie being "afraid" of clocks, which she stated earlier on, has some degree of validity, and seems unique amoungst the current discussion.
As far as I can tell, Jolt hasn't mentioned anything unique about themselves so far and has remained vanilla "Jailor."

Also "Curfew Enforcer" makes sense in this game. Does anyone remember the flavour text of yesterday/beginning of the game by Priz?:
You are awakened by the sound of the pre-recorded message that plays every day at 6am to make sure the citizens are up and ready for work. As a result, you are tired and bump into a lot of people... but who do you recognise as untrustworthy?
This town obviously has some kind of strict schedule we keep together.
Since we all wake up at 6am sharp, obviously we must have some kind of curfew installed on us which makes us all go to sleep at the same time.
It also explains why some people end up breaking curfew to do actions (Power roles/Mafia/third-parties/etc).

I also have a possible theory about Duffie's "Afraid of clocks" statement.
From what we can gather with the information so far, it has to be involved with Vatu's role as being a clockmaker, which would make sense.
We obviously don't know everything about the powers of the roles people had on their deaths, but let's believe it probably has many similarities to the vanilla epicmafia clockmaker which is a killing role third-party.
My theory is that with all the current hidden information that must be in this game (the "vanilla" appearance of roles/information not being revealed entirely on death) which leaves us to a lot of speculation, my thought is, because Duffie is the curfew enforcer and afraid of clocks. While out on patrol, Duffie was visited by Vatu who was the clockmaker and because of Duffie being afraid of clocks, Duffie unknowingly killed Vatu.

Any evidence for that theory? Nope. It's a personal theory.
It's either that or we go with the idea thrown around already that Duffie would've died / ran-away (thus her jailer power not working) on the clockmaker if she visited them.
Or Vatu was just killed by some other party, I don't know.

I do think Notty has been fairly iffy in the beginning of the day.
Admittedly I do think she's effectively dug herself out of the hole, although I'm not entirely sure how it was dug when Notty was the one who even told us about their "inn" in the first place.
If I was Mafia I wouldn't even attempt that, especially as Notty, because I definitely think Notty's crazy role-claims aren't usually trusted at all after so many past games of Notty doing that.

I don't think Notty is a viable person to lynch at this time. With the evidence and claims that has been thrown around things point more toward Jolt than Notty.

There's probably more stuff to say but more people keep posting and I doubt Ill be able to keep up if I keep typing this out instead of reading and then posting again.
I'm also holding off on voting Jolt yet even though I likely will in the future because I'm waiting on a votecount and I don't want the day to end quite yet if certain players decide to jump on a bandwagon when we can discuss more things going on.
 

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I'm basically the only 100% confirmed town PR at this point. I am dead tomorrow basically no matter what unless lucky doctor. I don't want a jailor to jail me since it'll be detrimental to me. In other words I know I'm going to die so I want to have some sort of effect or live in some sort of way. Their might be a way I'll live but it might as well be the flip of a fucking coin.
You keep saying that but you're not, not really. :p
No one's exactly "confirmed" at all at the moment. At most you probably would be confirmed if Jolt was lynched and turn out to be Mafia because who would out their own Mafia buddy this early on? (If Jolt is mafia)
But Watchers can be both Mafia and Town so who knows.
At the moment we can only believe what we think is true.
And I guess at the moment, we trust you! x)
 

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Hunter: says templar but in the morning of d1 accusing notty of being in the same chat as naoh so kinda sketchy about his claim of being a "useless townie"
Did you read the thread or just skim? That was me asking notty before I even claimed so as to catch her in a lie

I used to think notty was bluffing but town, as she does that quiiiiiite often, but then she stuck with it and I changed my mind

1) No? I mean how am I supposted to know, its an inn it's just a chat.
This is where notty claims to not know the alignment of others in her inn. This is a direct contradiction with her later claim.
Also, since no other players are clear/claiming PR, assuming we have a protective role, it would be best to protect me so we have a confirmed inno in following days.

Given that trackers/watchers usually come in pairs, a living watcher should watch me tonight to catch anyone attempting to kill me.
This still applies, though it seems a watcher has already claimed :/
 

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I just thought of something after reading Jkangaroo. If anyone's read the telltale heart then you'll get where I'm coming from since it's kinda based off of that. To those who haven't it's basically this apprentice kills his master but grows a crazy fear and dementia about his watch and its ticking. What I'm thinking is that duffle killed the clockmaker and now has a huge fear of clocks . After all who wouldnt be afraid of clocks when you're guilty of stopping their production? Just an idea but it would make sense if it only came in the morning like duffle said it did since vatu died overnight. Maybe duffie is actually mafia or a possible killing role. Clock paranoia just doesn't seem to make much sense otherwise
 

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Also "Curfew Enforcer" makes sense in this game. Does anyone remember the flavour text of yesterday/beginning of the game by Priz?:
This town obviously has some kind of strict schedule we keep together.
Since we all wake up at 6am sharp, obviously we must have some kind of curfew installed on us which makes us all go to sleep at the same time.
It also explains why some people end up breaking curfew to do actions (Power roles/Mafia/third-parties/etc).
My theory is that with all the current hidden information that must be in this game
This is good post.
You know how tim and notty claimed to get a thing about "someone" dying = bad N1?

Did anyone get a N1 message that may have to do with information being hidden?
 

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This is where notty claims to not know the alignment of others in her inn. This is a direct contradiction with her later claim.
Liar. You asked "do you have the same role as others in your group.". Where I responded with; How am I supposted to know It's an inn just a chat. Because you know normally in inns that we have you don't know anything about the others that are in there. And at first I wanted to try and pretend it was a normal inn, and I didn't know anything about my parter.

You literally asked this on page 10 what is the point in asking it again? Last time I answered with: "I initially didn't want to say this, so I kind of evaded the answer the first time you asked wether I knew their role, but since I feel like I'll be a likely lynch target I guess I got no other choice. I do know their role." Again, because I wanted to try and keep the fact that we're not just an inn but partners secret.

I just thought of something after reading Jkangaroo. If anyone's read the telltale heart then you'll get where I'm coming from since it's kinda based off of that. To those who haven't it's basically this apprentice kills his master but grows a crazy fear and dementia about his watch and its ticking. What I'm thinking is that duffle killed the clockmaker and now has a huge fear of clocks . After all who wouldnt be afraid of clocks when you're guilty of stopping their production? Just an idea but it would make sense if it only came in the morning like duffle said it did since vatu died overnight. Maybe duffie is actually mafia or a possible killing role. Clock paranoia just doesn't seem to make much sense otherwise
If that were true why would she even mention clocks? Doesn't make much sense if she were a killing role. Plus she claimed Curfew Enforcer and I believe her.
 

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Did you read the thread or just skim? That was me asking notty before I even claimed so as to catch her in a lie

I used to think notty was bluffing but town, as she does that quiiiiiite often, but then she stuck with it and I changed my mind
Actually I read all the 500 posts but I found it intriguing how you first hammered on Notty having anything to do with naoh, then hammering on every confusing context of notty and then you claim templar without any proof (except if there is a second templar who can confirm this in some kind of way)

So it looks like you want to get rid of notty and when suspicion falls on you, you roleclaim and try to not raise the current suspicion.

Feels a bit scummy to me

Now if you need me, I'm gonna finish this bottle of refreshing vodka and I will go to sleep. Don't expect replies from me the next 7 hours
 

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Who knows. Anything's possible.
I mean, what's the deal with them potato's an vodka, eh comrades? :p
Or maybe the clocks are bombs. Something about their ticking... their mysterious ticking....
Thanks for this I remember watching this looong ago and absolutely loving it, great to see it again.
 

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Any evidence for that theory? Nope. It's a personal theory.
It's either that or we go with the idea thrown around already that Duffie would've died / ran-away (thus her jailer power not working) on the clockmaker if she visited them.
Or Vatu was just killed by some other party, I don't know.


While that sounds absolutely amazing, a brilliant theory... I'm not so sure it's true. ;o

When I learned about my irrational fear of clocks... I was asked a question.

What would you do if you found a clock?

I responded as I've been stating previous: I would have been spooked, get chills down my spine, and run as far out of sight and hearing distance as possible.

Because of this... I'm not so sure I would have done the deed. I feel like I'm just extremely lucky that Vatumok was targeted for a kill...
 

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Omg, I didn't quote the whole bit, lemme just do this...

I also have a possible theory about Duffie's "Afraid of clocks" statement.
From what we can gather with the information so far, it has to be involved with Vatu's role as being a clockmaker, which would make sense.
We obviously don't know everything about the powers of the roles people had on their deaths, but let's believe it probably has many similarities to the vanilla epicmafia clockmaker which is a killing role third-party.
My theory is that with all the current hidden information that must be in this game (the "vanilla" appearance of roles/information not being revealed entirely on death) which leaves us to a lot of speculation, my thought is, because Duffie is the curfew enforcer and afraid of clocks. While out on patrol, Duffie was visited by Vatu who was the clockmaker and because of Duffie being afraid of clocks, Duffie unknowingly killed Vatu.

Any evidence for that theory? Nope. It's a personal theory.
It's either that or we go with the idea thrown around already that Duffie would've died / ran-away (thus her jailer power not working) on the clockmaker if she visited them.
Or Vatu was just killed by some other party, I don't know.
While that sounds absolutely amazing, a brilliant theory... I'm not so sure it's true. ;o

When I learned about my irrational fear of clocks... I was asked a question.

What would you do if you found a clock?

I responded as I've been stating previous: I would have been spooked, get chills down my spine, and run as far out of sight and hearing distance as possible.

Because of this... I'm not so sure I would have done the deed. I feel like I'm just extremely lucky that Vatumok was targeted for a kill...
 

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I defended you, Aqua, for how you've been acting as normal... And, sadly, I have to say the same for Hunter.

Because, as I've said similarly for you, Hunter's just being... Well, Hunter.
Hunter's town. As I said earlier, I may not like him and/or his playstyle, but he's town.[/QUOTE]
wouldn't be far from the status quo- you're not even sure it's notty that'll set you off, or if that message carries any meaning.
True, we don't know for a fact that it's notty, it could be someone random. But we do know that the message carries meaning as Notty and I both got one, it was also not in italics.
waitwaitwait

hold up

Didn't you imply you would gain a power if "someone" died?

And didn't tim imply he would lose a power if "someone" died?

I think both of your roles are related in the sense that if someone that isn't either of you dies, notty gains the power that tim loses.

Nottykitten Timdood3 Any objections to this theory?
Sound theorycrafting, but notty didn't say she'd gain a power. I mean, she did as a joke, but other than that all she said was that she was fairly certain what would happen when her trigger (I'll be calling it that from now on, just so Hunter doesn't go 'but how do you know for sure it's notty' anymore) dies. I do believe she implied it was negative as well though.
Also "Curfew Enforcer" makes sense in this game. Does anyone remember the flavour text of yesterday/beginning of the game by Priz?:
This town obviously has some kind of strict schedule we keep together.
Since we all wake up at 6am sharp, obviously we must have some kind of curfew installed on us which makes us all go to sleep at the same time.
It also explains why some people end up breaking curfew to do actions (Power roles/Mafia/third-parties/etc).
Speaking of which, did anyone else get flavor text about a mind control agent being used? This on top of eeverything JK just said makes absolutely perfect sense. I don't mean to discredit Duffie's creative abilities (she's an artist, not a puzzle-person) but I doubt that she'd be able to come up with a fakeclaim that fit so cleanly into the story.
 

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Speaking of which, did anyone else get flavor text about a mind control agent being used? This on top of eeverything JK just said makes absolutely perfect sense. I don't mean to discredit Duffie's creative abilities (she's an artist, not a puzzle-person) but I doubt that she'd be able to come up with a fakeclaim that fit so cleanly into the story.[/QUOTE]
I was just about to responding to Hunter's stuff about night messages with that.
I was curious about it as well, and if it has any significance or relates to certain people's roles? Since I was told everyone was mind controlled during the day.
I don't know if it's just flavour text or something more.
 

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Darnit quotes.
Let's redo that...
Speaking of which, did anyone else get flavor text about a mind control agent being used? This on top of eeverything JK just said makes absolutely perfect sense. I don't mean to discredit Duffie's creative abilities (she's an artist, not a puzzle-person) but I doubt that she'd be able to come up with a fakeclaim that fit so cleanly into the story.
I was just about to responding to Hunter's stuff about night messages with that.
I was curious about it as well, and if it has any significance or relates to certain people's roles? Since I was told everyone was mind controlled during the day.
I don't know if it's just flavour text or something more.
 

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yeah tim, but i didn't want to say anything because of potentially getting modkilled for pm mechanics. that's why i asked the question

better question would be did anyone not get that message?

might be some drug-related role hiding in our midst, probably 3p, and their death could reveal hidden role aspects

Timdood3 the main thing wasn't the notty-gaining-a-power, moreso that a third player could be a trigger you both share
 
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