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Not trying is not a playstyle.
Honestly my vote will probably end up on you by the end of the day
1) myu's right with Raxo taking his "being Raxo" to an unhealthy extreme.
2) it doesn't interfere with crossinvestigations (notty on Hunter or aqua and me on myu) so we can get these cop modifiers figured out.
3) if your claim is true you should have no qualms with being lynched: you get to take things into your own hands and try to kill a mafia.
4) however I'm more leaning toward your being a mafia bomb, in which case you still get to kill a town member.
Not voting right now, but when and if I do I'll probably just quote this post.
also since cat has not actually responded, she seemed to be a tracker n1
n2 the claim would only work if she was a watcher.
if cat is a tracker and tracked duffie n2 and got "no visits" then duffie would be fake. either that or ooglie's bullshitting the intercepted report (ha ha)
if cat is a watcher and watched jkangaroo n1 and saw ender visit jkang, then she should have seen myu also visit jkang, and plus she would have gotten killed, so myu is confirmed fake if she's watcher
of course, cat could claim to do both:
if cat were to actually reply, in order for this to be a waste of time and resources, she'd have to claim multirole tracker/watcher, potentially with some sort of gimmick determining which action is available to her on any specific night
and then she'd say she tracked ender n1 and watched duffie n2
this is probably what is going to happen
n2 the claim would only work if she was a watcher.
if cat is a tracker and tracked duffie n2 and got "no visits" then duffie would be fake. either that or ooglie's bullshitting the intercepted report (ha ha)
if cat is a watcher and watched jkangaroo n1 and saw ender visit jkang, then she should have seen myu also visit jkang, and plus she would have gotten killed, so myu is confirmed fake if she's watcher
of course, cat could claim to do both:
this quote implies she has two different actions, while attempting to avoid directly revealing herself as having multiple night actions
if cat were to actually reply, in order for this to be a waste of time and resources, she'd have to claim multirole tracker/watcher, potentially with some sort of gimmick determining which action is available to her on any specific night
and then she'd say she tracked ender n1 and watched duffie n2
this is probably what is going to happen
No multirole, just presumably role shenanigans. I'm supposed to be just a straight Watcher. I watch someone, I see who they get visited by. No use keeping that hidden now.
N1 I watched Ender. Returned as a tracking report for some reason? Ender something'd JKang.
N2 I watched Duffie. I didn't get anything except her username. If Oog is being truthful, the full report would have returned no visits.
That's what "different ability N1" means. My best guess is my ability got switched with Ender's because I watched him, due to some other person's action.
N1 I watched Ender. Returned as a tracking report for some reason? Ender something'd JKang.
N2 I watched Duffie. I didn't get anything except her username. If Oog is being truthful, the full report would have returned no visits.
That's what "different ability N1" means. My best guess is my ability got switched with Ender's because I watched him, due to some other person's action.
Everyone has their own playstyle with it's own advantages and disadvantages, and that's all well and good, but it's expected that your playstyle is in some way trying to help the town. If you're playstyle doesn't help the town, like if someone came into the game and just started lying left and right because they always thought they were right, and knew everything they were doing that would hurt the town because they'd waste lynches on random players. Similarly, If i were to come into a game and decided my playstyle was just to never make a post that would also hurt the town. regardless of whether I was townsided or mafia nobody would have a chance to read me and the towns people would be forced to either lynch me or to risk a mafia lurking through the entire game. If things like this were constantly allowed the entire game would boil down to statistical random lynches (defeating the point of the game, and greatly reducing the towns chance of winning).
There's a limit to how unhelpful a playstyle can be before the town can no longer afford to keep justifying the players actions as 'It's just their playstyle.' When this happens, the town lynches the player regardless of what side they think you're on and regardless of the evidence against you. This is called a Policy Lynch.
The case could easily be made that we should policy lynch you, but I'm not suggesting a policy lynch on you. I am suggesting you're overplaying your usual playstyle because you're either mafia or thirdparty.
Mooglie
The Local Cow
well seeing as paraphrasing is allowed the night 2 report was *basically*
was not visited.
also if catgirl is claiming watcher too then where does that place erik
was not visited.
but then wouldn't it have returned empty for both of us since duffie is just a jailer
also if catgirl is claiming watcher too then where does that place erik
Well I'm Egor Kuznetzov, and I'm literally just town Watcher. There's no special "getting the reports of my watches" thing going on. The "something" is a 6 letter verb ending in -ed. Good luck figuring that one out. I tried looking up a list of them and gave up when I realized that's probably half the verbs in the English language. I think we'd have to ask Ooglie for that one.
As for Erik, he never did claim watcher, did he? Everybody just kinda assumed. Unless I missed something somewhere. Either way, it's probably irrelevant given the police stuff so far.
Also... Ooglie, you're only getting the gaps in my messages?
Also a watching the tracker is basically the best possible choice of action for a watcher-type role.
Ender died that night. Ooglie claimed to censor your message.
Ooglie probably is the mafia and edited your report to both fit his future claim of Censorer and remove ender's killer from your report.
It's possible he wasn't able to modify or remove the name of your watch report, so he likely modified the message to seem as if it was ender who visited jkangaroo.
Then ooglie informed his maf buddies, one of which included myu, and they planned to set up myu as a surgeon-type role who kills the visitors of the players he "protects".
This fits in with notty's report, 77's not-dying upon visiting jkangaroo, and erik supposedly being protected by 77.
The night 2 phase may have gone as follows:
Myu uses his kill action on erik in the hopes of preventing future watch reports
77, figuring erik will probably be targeted, decides to protect him.
Notty investigates myu, returning a result of "not innocent."
Myu, and by extension ooglie and jkangaroo, are likely members of the second mafia, the one samlen was in.
"Why the second mafia with the weird-ass name?" you ask
Well, let's look at the n1 deaths:
Noah, templar
Vatumok, clockmaker sk
Enderfive, tracker
Vatumok (who was also targeted by Caff!) would have killed noah
As in my theory above, Jkang would have to have killed Enderfive
Which means the first mafia would have killed Vatumok.
Ooglie, Jkang, and Samlen all pushed for a Jolt lynch day 1. Ooglie defended Jolt at first but quickly turned around to advocate his lynch.
It's unlikely they would be part of the first mafia as it's horrible strategy to bus the hooker on the first day.
Updated table of all claims and night action reports in the thread, supporting my theories:
[xtable]
{tbody}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Player{/td}
{td=512x@}
N1 actions{/td}
{td=303x@}
N2 actions{/td}
{td=192x@}
Roleclaim{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Ooglie101{/td}
{td=512x@}
saw cat near potato hoard, censored her report{/td}
{td=303x@}
censor cat, received over the wall telegram{/td}
{td=192x@}
Censorer{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Notme{/td}
{td=512x@}
None{/td}
{td=303x@}
None{/td}
{td=192x@}
Mad Gunwoman (Hunter){/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Nottykitten{/td}
{td=512x@}
Attempted to investigate 77, received same message as Tim{/td}
{td=303x@}
Investigate myu, not innocent{/td}
{td=192x@}
Policeman-in-training{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
JKangaroo{/td}
{td=512x@}
Unknown{/td}
{td=303x@}
Unknown{/td}
{td=192x@}
N/A{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Duffie{/td}
{td=512x@}
Curfew'd 77{/td}
{td=303x@}
Curfew'd Caff{/td}
{td=192x@}
Curfew Enforcer{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Hunter{/td}
{td=512x@}
Templar Chat{/td}
{td=303x@}
No chat{/td}
{td=192x@}
Templar{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Enderfive{/td}
{td=512x@}
tracked jkang? (unknown if true){/td}
{td=303x@}
Dead{/td}
{td=192x@}
Tracker{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Vatumok{/td}
{td=512x@}
Possibly killed Noah{/td}
{td=303x@}
Dead{/td}
{td=192x@}
Clockmaker{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
CaffeinatedKitty{/td}
{td=512x@}
Has action, targeted Vatumok{/td}
{td=303x@}
Blocked by Duffie, no report{/td}
{td=192x@}
PR{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Jivvi{/td}
{td=512x@}
No action{/td}
{td=303x@}
No action{/td}
{td=192x@}
Neckbeard with an item{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Samlen{/td}
{td=512x@}
Unknown, Poisoner{/td}
{td=303x@}
Potato chat, Died, may have poisoned?{/td}
{td=192x@}
Maf2 Poisoner/Potato Farmer{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
erik5456{/td}
{td=512x@}
watch notty, jolt visited{/td}
{td=303x@}
watch hunter, no visitors{/td}
{td=192x@}
Watcher{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Jolteon42{/td}
{td=512x@}
block notty{/td}
{td=303x@}
Dead{/td}
{td=192x@}
Mafia Hooker{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
myusername22{/td}
{td=512x@}
surgeon jkang{/td}
{td=303x@}
surgeon erik{/td}
{td=192x@}
Surgeon{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
catgirl12466{/td}
{td=512x@}
Seems to have tracked ender, attempted to watch ender{/td}
{td=303x@}
Potato chat, watched Duffie, result "no visitors"{/td}
{td=192x@}
Watcher, Potato{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Aqua{/td}
{td=512x@}
Received Vissarion telegram, no action{/td}
{td=303x@}
No action{/td}
{td=192x@}
One-shot PR{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Mastersten{/td}
{td=512x@}
No action{/td}
{td=303x@}
No action{/td}
{td=192x@}
One-shot PR{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Naoh{/td}
{td=512x@}
Templar Chat with Hunter, Died{/td}
{td=303x@}
Dead{/td}
{td=192x@}
Templar{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Timdood3{/td}
{td=512x@}
Investigated Hunter, inno{/td}
{td=303x@}
Investigated Aqua, inno{/td}
{td=192x@}
Policeman{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Watermelon1388{/td}
{td=512x@}
No action{/td}
{td=303x@}
No action{/td}
{td=192x@}
One-shot PR{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
77thShad{/td}
{td=512x@}
Unknown, blocked by duffie{/td}
{td=303x@}
Potato chat, "tried to keep alive" erik{/td}
{td=192x@}
PR, Potato{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Infected_alien8_{/td}
{td=512x@}
No visit{/td}
{td=303x@}
No visit{/td}
{td=192x@}
PR{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]
Ender died that night. Ooglie claimed to censor your message.
Ooglie probably is the mafia and edited your report to both fit his future claim of Censorer and remove ender's killer from your report.
It's possible he wasn't able to modify or remove the name of your watch report, so he likely modified the message to seem as if it was ender who visited jkangaroo.
Then ooglie informed his maf buddies, one of which included myu, and they planned to set up myu as a surgeon-type role who kills the visitors of the players he "protects".
This fits in with notty's report, 77's not-dying upon visiting jkangaroo, and erik supposedly being protected by 77.
The night 2 phase may have gone as follows:
Myu uses his kill action on erik in the hopes of preventing future watch reports
77, figuring erik will probably be targeted, decides to protect him.
Notty investigates myu, returning a result of "not innocent."
Myu, and by extension ooglie and jkangaroo, are likely members of the second mafia, the one samlen was in.
"Why the second mafia with the weird-ass name?" you ask
Well, let's look at the n1 deaths:
Noah, templar
Vatumok, clockmaker sk
Enderfive, tracker
Vatumok (who was also targeted by Caff!) would have killed noah
As in my theory above, Jkang would have to have killed Enderfive
Which means the first mafia would have killed Vatumok.
Ooglie, Jkang, and Samlen all pushed for a Jolt lynch day 1. Ooglie defended Jolt at first but quickly turned around to advocate his lynch.
It's unlikely they would be part of the first mafia as it's horrible strategy to bus the hooker on the first day.
Updated table of all claims and night action reports in the thread, supporting my theories:
[xtable]
{tbody}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Player{/td}
{td=512x@}
N1 actions{/td}
{td=303x@}
N2 actions{/td}
{td=192x@}
Roleclaim{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Ooglie101{/td}
{td=512x@}
saw cat near potato hoard, censored her report{/td}
{td=303x@}
censor cat, received over the wall telegram{/td}
{td=192x@}
Censorer{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Notme{/td}
{td=512x@}
None{/td}
{td=303x@}
None{/td}
{td=192x@}
Mad Gunwoman (Hunter){/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Nottykitten{/td}
{td=512x@}
Attempted to investigate 77, received same message as Tim{/td}
{td=303x@}
Investigate myu, not innocent{/td}
{td=192x@}
Policeman-in-training{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
JKangaroo{/td}
{td=512x@}
Unknown{/td}
{td=303x@}
Unknown{/td}
{td=192x@}
N/A{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Duffie{/td}
{td=512x@}
Curfew'd 77{/td}
{td=303x@}
Curfew'd Caff{/td}
{td=192x@}
Curfew Enforcer{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Hunter{/td}
{td=512x@}
Templar Chat{/td}
{td=303x@}
No chat{/td}
{td=192x@}
Templar{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Enderfive{/td}
{td=512x@}
tracked jkang? (unknown if true){/td}
{td=303x@}
Dead{/td}
{td=192x@}
Tracker{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Vatumok{/td}
{td=512x@}
Possibly killed Noah{/td}
{td=303x@}
Dead{/td}
{td=192x@}
Clockmaker{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
CaffeinatedKitty{/td}
{td=512x@}
Has action, targeted Vatumok{/td}
{td=303x@}
Blocked by Duffie, no report{/td}
{td=192x@}
PR{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Jivvi{/td}
{td=512x@}
No action{/td}
{td=303x@}
No action{/td}
{td=192x@}
Neckbeard with an item{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Samlen{/td}
{td=512x@}
Unknown, Poisoner{/td}
{td=303x@}
Potato chat, Died, may have poisoned?{/td}
{td=192x@}
Maf2 Poisoner/Potato Farmer{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
erik5456{/td}
{td=512x@}
watch notty, jolt visited{/td}
{td=303x@}
watch hunter, no visitors{/td}
{td=192x@}
Watcher{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Jolteon42{/td}
{td=512x@}
block notty{/td}
{td=303x@}
Dead{/td}
{td=192x@}
Mafia Hooker{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
myusername22{/td}
{td=512x@}
surgeon jkang{/td}
{td=303x@}
surgeon erik{/td}
{td=192x@}
Surgeon{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
catgirl12466{/td}
{td=512x@}
Seems to have tracked ender, attempted to watch ender{/td}
{td=303x@}
Potato chat, watched Duffie, result "no visitors"{/td}
{td=192x@}
Watcher, Potato{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Aqua{/td}
{td=512x@}
Received Vissarion telegram, no action{/td}
{td=303x@}
No action{/td}
{td=192x@}
One-shot PR{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Mastersten{/td}
{td=512x@}
No action{/td}
{td=303x@}
No action{/td}
{td=192x@}
One-shot PR{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Naoh{/td}
{td=512x@}
Templar Chat with Hunter, Died{/td}
{td=303x@}
Dead{/td}
{td=192x@}
Templar{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Timdood3{/td}
{td=512x@}
Investigated Hunter, inno{/td}
{td=303x@}
Investigated Aqua, inno{/td}
{td=192x@}
Policeman{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Watermelon1388{/td}
{td=512x@}
No action{/td}
{td=303x@}
No action{/td}
{td=192x@}
One-shot PR{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
77thShad{/td}
{td=512x@}
Unknown, blocked by duffie{/td}
{td=303x@}
Potato chat, "tried to keep alive" erik{/td}
{td=192x@}
PR, Potato{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Infected_alien8_{/td}
{td=512x@}
No visit{/td}
{td=303x@}
No visit{/td}
{td=192x@}
PR{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]
"watched" 7 letters
"tracked" 7 letters
"killed" 6 letters
"hooked" 6 letters
list of all 6-letter words ending in -ed
More evidence for my theory, looks like the message was rearranged or otherwise modified.
Ooglie101, what did you get Night 1 from Cat's report, exactly? Like, what did you censor and take out?
It's not delving into PM Mechanics, it's like literally reading snippets of paper you took from Cat.
It's not delving into PM Mechanics, it's like literally reading snippets of paper you took from Cat.
Mooglie
The Local Cow
-what-
i think you need to take a step back and not go completely insane
im literally
a censorer
i targetted cat night 1 since lurking and i know theyre a good player from irc mafia
i targetted again night 2 since potatoes
i do not choose to remove bits of info
and catgirl12466 the first night i received gaps (on that something word i only got the d at the end, not the ed) but on night 2 i received the last half which was apparently longer than just half.
i think you need to take a step back and not go completely insane
im literally
a censorer
i targetted cat night 1 since lurking and i know theyre a good player from irc mafia
i targetted again night 2 since potatoes
i do not choose to remove bits of info
and catgirl12466 the first night i received gaps (on that something word i only got the d at the end, not the ed) but on night 2 i received the last half which was apparently longer than just half.
My gut says Ooglie is innocent. I've worked with him in the assassins guild in the past, and his scum tells were pretty obvious back then. He's not giving off any of the ususal scum tells so either he's massively improved his mafia game or he's innocent.
Mooglie
The Local Cow
ive already asked and im not allowed to copy and paste pls
but night 1 i *basically* got
after visiting, [enders name all chopped up (but pretty visible)] [another word blurred out (visited as i learnt from cat today)] [a word with 2 o's at end (jkangaroo as i learnt from cat today)]
Perhaps not obvious to everyone, but they were readable to those who knew what to look for.
Aqua
Does anybody remember laughter?
I can understand that considering I talk to jolt on a daily basis, his behaviour and msgs did seem a bit off. Then again, he might of just decided for once in his life he wasn't gonna shitpost ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
in any case, from what you yourself are saying:
you "unintentionally" sabotage reports of the player you target
you yourself don't actually get much usable information from said censored reports, and don't even know the "something" which is a word you yourself supposedly censored
Duffie if you truly believe ooglie is town it's in your best interest to curfew him so he doesn't destroy the reports of other town prs
if you don't believe he is town then lynch him so we have reliable reports in the future regardless of what he flips and also lynch an antitown