Well, considering how the current votes are being placed with Jivvi on the chopping block, if he's telling the truth in terms of being the virgin role w/a russian roulette mechanic, then whoever you protect tonight will essentially be null/void seeing as there won't be any deaths because of that ability.
...If he's telling the truth of course and that vote goes through.
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Anyways, I guess I'll try and spark discussion before the... few hours/day before the day ends.
I was hoping to get some answers out of erik before I posted but it seems nothing fruitful came out of that. I wanted answers to questions because I still think its a rather vague and strange situation with erik.
Why?: Because erik originally claimed to be a "watcher" (not directly, just its power):
On page 68
Which in turn led us to lynch our first Mafia, Jolteon, the hooker.
And further on, we learn that Erik is in itself no ordinary watcher, but instead a "ghost," whom appears to be able to see more than just night abilities, in the case of the female-inn with Notme, Caff, and Mastersten (I'm guessing it's special because I don't really think inn's count as a "visit" right?)
I believe this is the case because of the following statement, make note: "
I'm a ghost who randomly wanders into houses at night." This could explain why erik saw everyone in the "inn" and also saw Jivvi visiting due to the shooting of notme (which I believe is confirmed now?)
"Ghost" revealed on page 63:
"Special power" / Caff accusation On page 85 + small picture showing knowledge so far of last nights events:
Master's inn claim backing up Caff:
On page 86
Now, frankly I believe Erik in being a pro-townie role; 1) Because his watching revealed Jolteon, and helped us take down a Mafia, and 2) As Priz said, roles are not always so simple in this game, which could explain the whole "ghost" business.
Now why am I bringing this all up? Well... because I'm still curious as to how we have 2 "watchers:" erik and cat.
Now, it's not unheard of for the town to have a watcher and tracker, the latter whom is dead in the form of ender, our current co-host. We've seen this in Masquerade.
However, I find it strange that a town would have a need for 2 watchers, even for a "special" case like with what is currently going on with erik.
So, if it's unlikely that we'd have 2 watchers, where would a 2nd one come from that could pass of as town?...
...Why, the Mafia of course!:
https://epicmafia.com/role/925
...But being a simple watcher doesn't quite add up with all the evidence we've had so far.
Let's bring up that table Hunter posted earlier and zone in on 3 people:
Ender, Cat, and
Myuser:
Let's look at the Night 1 actions:
Ender tracks
JKangaroo |
Myuser surgeons
JKangaroo |
Cat watches? tracks?... who?
Note the last bit in red: I've gone through cat's post history and have reread the events/posts surrounding that period during the day, and I don't believe I could find a clear explanation for it.
All of the outcomes are a bit messy; she claims to have watched Ender N1, but it came out as a "tracking" report despite her say to be a straight watcher.
Here's
Hunter arguing the same point:
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/Русская-мафия-day-3.19189/page-63#post-371556
Snipped cat quotes about role:
So from the current knowledge, cat got a tracking report N1, and traditional watcher reports on N2 and N3.
It seems strange honestly that a tracking report would be received in the face of it not occurring again these past few nights, unless something happened by someone else's role, but from our chart it does not appear like anyone tampered with this, unless it was affected by ender himself, which is something we can't confirm at this time.
One potential possibility I think may be possible, is a watcher/tracker hybrid that can do one or the other.
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Moving on, this cat discussion leads into my next topic into more of what happened last night.
Take a look at this crudely drawn MS Paint portion of a larger flow chart I was making (and stopped halfway through because laziness):
If cat is telling the truth with their watcher ability, then we know that Notty showed up at tim's place.
Since we have no clue
what Notty was, things are open to speculation.
For instance, why did Notty visit tim? Did anything happen that
Timdood3 can tell us? (like if any messages came up? or something?)
While reading over things, I thought of a few theories that may be possible:
Note: theories may be silly or relying on information I may/may not remember correctly because it's super late and I'm tired and really just want to go to sleep so take with grains of salt. Thank you.
1) Notty was telling the truth that she was in a chat with another policeman/etc, which would be tim, and both have been sort of playing off of each other doing this to convince the town, and explains why this visit hasn't necessarily been brought up. I don't really believe in this theory.
2) Notty was giving tim "naive information," or generally altering tim's investigations, which explains last nights visit: Possible.
3) I'm going to go back to my prior Notty theory of Notty being a "soviet spy" aka. being apart of the town (because it seems like we, the town, are normal soviet citizens, and somewhat explains the theming of some of the roles like Duffie's curfew enforcer). Perhaps the censored information, because it was written in red, does not mean Notty was a member of the Mafia/disguised as a mafia (because spying), but instead was censored BY the mafia who killed Notty, specifically tim due to the visit last night.
...The first part I admittedly somewhat believe in because of the theming of things. The latter, not so much, I'm just putting out there random thoughts.
4) I had other theories but I can't remember them at the current time...
But, seeing as Notty died and you 2 had the whole thing involving "someone dying, something might affect me" discussion in a previous day, I'd be surprised if something didn't change last night (or... now that I think about it, you'll probably find out tonight if that's the case? I don't know, I'm just thinking wildly at this point).
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I had more stuff I want to talk about/discuss based on my on-going flowchart making trying to tie things together to make sense but it's late and I should probably sleep because of an early class tomorrow.
And I don't drink coffee so all I have to rely on is sleep...
or energy drinks but I don't drink/buy those + a lot of them are kind of disgusting.
+ Since I'm pretty sure tomorrow (or today?) is the deadline, I don't think we'll get enough discussion done to get anywhere.
Also
Vote catgirl because I think they're the most suspicious and I might as well with how close the deadline is since we need someone to vote for.
Unless I'm wrong about my presented evidence/etc and missed something vital that I didnt pay attention to that brings that argument all crumbling down then please tell me so I can remove this vote. Thank you and have a nice day.
