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[Aqua]

this post doesn't really serve a purpose, you're not presenting a counterargument even though people were against you for being cagey anyway. you've only really called caff mafia, with backing evidence, and assumed mastersten is town. and its less than 10% salt-free.

I agree with Jivvi, considering the circumstances and the mood right now (with very few posts per day) you do seem a bit irrational...

77thShad got any response?

 

[Hunter]

only thing i can think of is


Any alignment? As in, all alignments are represented in the inn?
One macaronimaf and one townsided role from the inn died, so what does that leave for you and cat?

so two things here
despite basically being an inn owner thing, and that making up his entire claimed win condition, he didn't know there would be an inn

77thShad

 

[Hunter]

nice bandwagon guys
nice job completely ignoring the reasons to suspect 77
and also for not realizing it's better to lynch jivvi and have someone investigate cat to see if they're town
i think the erik going to houses thing holds some merit but that doesn't conflict with cat's claim.

 

[Hunter]

plus, let's not forget, ooglie confirmed catgirl as watcher

 

[Hunter]

i mean, if this was a 77 bandwagon, that'd be understandable considering his claim partially conflicts with both myu's and his own previous statements

he claimed not to be aware of the potato inn despite having members of said in alive being his claimed win condition

 

[Hunter]

proposed course of action:
lynch jivvi
see who erik watches
investigate jkang
master mimic someone i guess
cat watch someone
myu doc me (because no town pr would have reason to visit)

 

[Hunter]

also if cat flips town, jkang is confirmed scum
and jivvi is pretty much confirmed antitown

confirmed town or at least strong evidence for it

• Hunter
• erik

has irrefutable evidence supporting part of claim:

• catgirl12466 (ooglie's intercepted reports, potato)

has evidence supporting alignment/claim

• myu (cat's n1 report + tim's investigation)
• jkang (only claims of telegrams)

little evidence supporting claim:

• aqua (inno'd by tim)
• 77 (potato inn?)
• tim (claimed cop, has reports)
• mastersten (was in a girly inn?)
• caff (was in a girly inn?)
• jivvi (killed raxo n3)

[BCOLOR=#00ccff]Hunter[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#00ccff]Erik[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#00ff00]catgirl12466[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#00ff00]myu[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#00ff00]tim[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#ff6600]caff[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#ffff00]aqua[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#ff0000]jivvi[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#808080]mastersten[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#ffff00]jkang[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#ff6600]77[/BCOLOR]

List of current players based on suspicions
Red is most suspicious, blue is least, other colors are a sliding scale between the two

 

[Hunter]

other things:
77thShad if your win condition is what you say it is, why aren't you voting jivvi?
catgirl12466 not voting is tantamount to suicide
erik5456 please swap your vote

CaffeinatedKitty of course you'd go with the bandwagon with no reasoning of your own

 

[Hunter]

[BCOLOR=#ff6600]caff[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#ffff00]aqua[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#ff0000]jivvi[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#808080]mastersten[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#ffff00]jkang[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#ff6600]77[/BCOLOR]

we have 11 players alive
these six are unconfirmed

aqua was inno'd so *shrug*
77 claims third party so *shrug*

but the rest?

i think it's likely that we have a maf with 3 members and another with either 2-3
2 of the Mafia have died, one Clockmaker, a Mkzendri member and a Spy.
There's at least two mafia left- a Mkzendri and a Mafia. Possibly two Mkzendri, or a Mkzendri and a spy partner.

if we lynch one of the above, there's a high chance of hitting scum.
and even if it's a miss, we won't lose an important power.

i think at most, two or three of the above listed are innocent/3p.

that'd mean 7 town + 1 3p vs three living scum.

and that means town needs to fricking vote or get blitzed

 

[Hunter]

finally something that makes sense (btw on who should I use my power at night cause I can basically use it as a role check (if I die person is Mafia/Thirdparty if I live person is town))

unvote
vote catgirl

tbh you should do it on jkang while cat watches you to see if maf killed you to frame him

 

[Mastersten]

we have 11 players alive
these six are unconfirmed

aqua was inno'd so *shrug*
77 claims third party so *shrug*

but the rest?

i think it's likely that we have a maf with 3 members and another with either 2-3
2 of the Mafia have died, one Clockmaker, a Mkzendri member and a Spy.
There's at least two mafia left- a Mkzendri and a Mafia. Possibly two Mkzendri, or a Mkzendri and a spy partner.

if we lynch one of the above, there's a high chance of hitting scum.
and even if it's a miss, we won't lose an important power.

i think at most, two or three of the above listed are innocent/3p.

that'd mean 7 town + 1 3p vs three living scum.

and that means town needs to fricking vote or get blitzed

I'm gray, what exactly does that mean?

 

[Hunter]

means i dunno where you stand

Jivvi literally admits to killing a townie and that's been confirmed by Erik. In addition, he claims to grant a boon to town upon death

catgirl, on the other hand, has literally been confirmed as watcher thanks to ooglie's death

 

[JKangaroo]

also if cat flips town, jkang is confirmed scum
and jivvi is pretty much confirmed antitown

I'm not sure how it does.

Jivvi literally admits to killing a townie and that's been confirmed by Erik. In addition, he claims to grant a boon to town upon death

Which is the prefered course of action right?
This bandwagon is exactly what I was hoping wouldnt happen, because 1)People barely discussed it which is silly by itself, and 2)We're so close to deadline that again, its silly and all it does it makes those voting suspicious (because again, lack of discussion).
It's why I didn't even know if I should've voted or not. I was hoping to put down some information that we could actually discuss tomorrow if anything, looks like that was wrong.

Hunter one more time before the day ends, who do you think is the best vote.
Unvote because I didnt want a bandwagon without some measure of discussion or reply from cat.

 

[JKangaroo]

nice bandwagon guys
nice job completely ignoring the reasons to suspect 77
and also for not realizing it's better to lynch jivvi and have someone investigate cat to see if they're town
i think the erik going to houses thing holds some merit but that doesn't conflict with cat's claim.

-It is a bandwagon, which is sad, but instead of just saying its a bandwagon I wish there was more discussion on said topic. (especially since your the one who first argued this too, which I linked)
-77 is already 100% suspected though. He already claimed third-party. We could do the exact same thing with cat as we can do to 77 with investigations, or just lynch him outright anytime we want. We still haven't gotten an answer if 3rd party wins cancel out the end of the game if X condition is met, or make sure they are the singular winner at the end. Despite that we can still try to weed out other antitown.
-I think it does. It would be strange for there to even be 2 watchers in the first place unless they were in opposing parties, because unless the set-up is special/specifically made for multiples of specific roles in the same alignment, then its simply a waste for there to be a 2nd watcher as apart of the town. I think erik's claim has more merit than cats because of the ghost and the reveal that he can see those inn visits as well.

 

[JKangaroo]

How many hours until the deadline? I'm terrible at converting timezones.
I don't want to keep up a discussion that feels like we're just gonna rush through everything because of the time limit.

 

[Prizyms]

3 and a half hours left.

 

[Hunter]

jkang remember ooglie's flip confirmed cat's reports

 

[Hunter]

Hunter one more time before the day ends, who do you think is the best vote.
Unvote because I didnt want a bandwagon without some measure of discussion or reply from cat

again, best vote is Jivvi

 

[Hunter]

and Erik's role can't actually choose a target, so it's more useful for discovering houses

cat on the other hand can actually choose a person to watch

The most optimal lynch would be Jivvi, but other choices would have to be the ones I labeled orange; caff and 77

Jivvi is hands down the best lynch choice though

 

[JKangaroo]

jkang remember ooglie's flip confirmed cat's reports

...And? Confirming reports doesn't do much besides confirm the ability. That still leaves room for skepticism over alignment.

...Did Ooglies censoring report pair up as a tracking report? I don't remember/can't currently look it up. If so, I still stand that cat may be lying about being a simple watcher, but instead a multirole, which could be anti town.

 

[Hunter]

regardless, Jivvi is still the best lynch, wouldn't you agree? certainly better than unnecessarily risking a PR lynch

 

[Hunter]

i mean, if this was a 77 bandwagon, that'd be understandable considering his claim partially conflicts with both myu's and his own previous statements

he claimed not to be aware of the potato inn despite having members of said in alive being his claimed win condition

JKangaroo what do you think of this

 

[JKangaroo]

regardless, Jivvi is still the best lynch, wouldn't you agree? certainly better than unnecessarily risking a PR lynch

Yes, of course. If the virgin claim isn't true we get a scum. If it is true then we get either tonight or tomorrow night death free. If it goes off tonight than maybe mastersten won't even die of he mimics a scum role (...which may or maynot happen? I'm not quite sure how a role might get overridden like the virgin affecting mimic unless that only pertains to kills specifically...)

But that doesn't mean we can't discuss first, even with out limited time.

Also I'm on tapatalk in class so I'm typing slowly and it's hard to read things and can't reply to multiple things?

 

[JKangaroo]

JKangaroo what do you think of this

I'm not sure I follow or know who you are specifically talking about? Again, sorry tapatalk makes it hard to connect what's going on.

 

[catgirl12466]

Ok holy shit what happened while I was sleeping. Alright, I'm on a tight time limit to respond because classes, so uh, I'll try my best. I could also try to respond on mobile...

real answer was no visits (which intrigues me since that's not the same ability as N1!)

When I first brought up the censorship possibility, Ooglie tried to subtly hint at it by telling me what my reports said. He was the first to point out that my ability changed between N1 and N2. I explained it in full later when I stated my reports. I'd love to have an explanation for it, but there's no way to know what happened, given our current bus driver wasn't anywhere near Ender or I on N1. I guess that doesn't really rule out the possibility of a multirole, but I swear I'm just a watcher. What reason would I have to hide that anyway?

Anything else you want me to try answering?

In the meantime, I'm not so keen on this potentially being LyLo. With 11 players left and 5 deaths last night, I don't think we can afford to screw this up. Sorry, Jivvi.

Vote Jivvi