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Infected_alien8_
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Infected_alien8_
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I'm not gonna lie I am so confused right now. If I have any strengths in this game it is being sensitive to very very general vibes on people and using it so scumhunt, not being all logical and specific and making cases for people based on actual evidence, so in this situation I feel, as a player, kind of hopeless and tangled in a web of conspiracies, because my gut isn't really helping much at this point. I think Ender is telling the truth, but I also don't think Vat is telling the truth, and I think it makes sense that Ender is the last Zombie and is doing this since it's his only chance to win, and I think it also makes sense that he's being very truthful, so...
I can also be pretty decent at following actions along and seeing what's likely going to happen but there are so many darn variables and lies and things that could be hidden that I am REALLY struggling to know what is the best thing to do here, and I feel like the answer is super obvious and it's RIGHT near my face and that I just need one more puzzle piece and then I can turn and be like, OOOOHHHH. But for now, I have no idea. Sorry. Someone with a more suited brain for this situation needs to fly in and help me pls
Anyway, Oog I feel like you need to say something because I don't know what it's going to do but I think it's going to clear at least SOMETHING up in my brain!!!
Also Ender can you explain again why you aren't claiming a role please?
Aaaaaaaand there it is.
Okay, I don't think Vat is the lone survivor. Reasons - 1) He's been extremely scummy this game, making sure to stick his neck out to push people's buttons. As someone who's objective is to survive, you don't go around pushing people's buttons like that, because the people who the mafia kill are people who either have trails that lead to innocent people (hoping to get them lynched the next day), or people with no trail at all. The lone survivor would likely play in a very similar style as to what Jk did. He stayed low, only making a case when he had to so as to not seem any more suspicious to town by lurking, unlike vat who was so pushy on people's buttons that he would surely make a target. Unless, of course, he was the one targeting - the mafia.
2) The fact he offered the idea to work with the zombies. At first I thought this was a point against vat being mafia, since why would he, as mafia, want to be infected? But as the lone survivor, it kinda made sense, since he just needs to survive. But thinking about it, if he were the lone survivor and his sole and most important objective was to SURVIVE, I highly doubt they would offer something like that, for two reasons. 1) Because if the innmates disagree then he's probably going to be pretty suspicious the next day for not being on the side of town (and he argues that he wasn't that bothered about being suspicious because he said he could just claim survivor and be unvoted, but town don't know the lone survivor doesn't steal their victory and if there are no other leads he would have been lynched that day) and had there not been a suspicion on Marskid, he would probably have been lynched. And 2) because of this:
If the other people in his inn did agree to this, and at some point later in the game one of them was infected and they all decided to work together by infecting each other, there was a good chance that vat would be killed rather than converted. This was a risk he knew was there, yet he did it anyway. Why would he do that if his main and sole objective was to simply survive, do you ask? Because that's not his main and sole objective. His main and sole objective is to have the mafia win the game, and that includes identifying the zombies, and he was prepared to risk his life to identify at least one zombie for his mafia team to kill at night, because the zombies are the biggest threat to the mafia.
And my 4) point, which just hits the hammer on the head for me, is that Vat answered those three questions and answered incorrectly. The point of answering those questions, I'm pretty sure, was so that when the real deal died, we'd have answers as to what they did. Jk described a vanilla survivor (by the looks of things), which I'm guessing he was. Vat however, described having a night power, only to decide now that he doesn't have one, which in my opinion can be considered a slip.
All this tied together, my conclusion that is HOPEFULLY RIGHT BECAUSE OTHERWISE THAT'S EMBARRASSING BUT MY GUT TELLS ME I AM 10000% CORRECT: Vatumok is Mafia. He didn't put any arguments against Mars yet voted him because he could see it was the likely lynch of the day, but to try to save his buddy he had to push on someone else (Ltin) that day too to rescue Mars from his soon-to-be-death, so he slapped a vote on yet continued to push for Ltin. IT ALL MAKES SENSE.
Now though, now that I think Vat is mafia, does that mean I think we should lynch him? Yes, kind of, because I also think Ender is lying about there being 2 zombies with another to become infected. Because according to him, the leader is me or oog. But if geek is mafia with vat, how did Jk die? Because oog killed him. The mafia are vat and oog. Which would leave me to be the zombie leader, which I'm not, which means geek must be the zombie leader, hence no zombie kill and thus no conversion either. Therefore, there are 2 zombies right now, Ender and Geek, and 2 mafia, Oog and Vat, and 3 uninfected townies, Me, Ltin and Faliara, and so if we lynch a mafia then we go into tonight with 2 zombies, 3 town and 1 mafia, meaning the mafia will kill either town or zombies and the zombies will either kill a mafia or infect a townie, leaving us with 2 zombies and 3 town (possibly one infected) and possible 1 mafia in the day. From there, town lynch the last mafia and we win, 3v2 with the zombies since the infected guy isn't a zombie yet. Of course this could also result in the zombies winning if they manage to kill a townie in the night, and it's a risk, but hopefully lady luck is on our side, and I think this plan of action is our best bet.
AaAAAaAAnd so with ALL THAT MAGNIFICANT REALIZATION
Vote Vatumok
(but it's 2am and I'm tired so maybe something in that didn't make sense actually, sorry if not, pls someone tell me)
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
If he is then he's not a problem I don't think because as long as we outnumber him tomorrow we're fine, and we will since we'll all still be town since you blocked Ender and one of us will be infected but will still be classed as town for that day.
I think someone just got a bit sweaty when Geek claimed Blacksmith. Because if she is the BS it would mean you are mafia and because of you that you made a huge slip saying that she can't be the BS. So before that I posted a plan that we kill Ender and the BS gives out a gun randomly to a townie or me so that we can kill the 2 remaining mafia. This is why Inf suddenly has a problem and is almost *forced* to change his vote on me, he hopes by keeping the zombies in for a while he can stall the town and then beat zombies, that would be his best chance to win.
I thought there was a pretty small chance that Inffy would be mafia over Geek but the scum is basically forced to come out now.
I'll address Inffy's points anyway:
1) I don't think I have been very scummy at all, sure, the zombie suggestion may be seen as controversial as explained many times before, but for the rest I don't see it. I've been helping town a lot, I actually voted pretty quickly on Mars after I thought Ender and Tim were town players. The next day I even said that Dessern was a good chance to be mafia but I also thought there were other good options. I also pointed out that JK is possibly zombie because he "revealed" me as suicide bomber.
Now, looking at you. You've actually been kinda shady, talking too much and coming with weird theories to confuse town. I had some scum feelings from you before (although I didn't think mafia) because you didn't seem to be helping town forward at all, I don't believe you contributed a lot.
2) I don't like to go back to the mindless discussion on zombie comment. I just thought it'd be a nice way to use the inn system and a legitimate alternate strategy for me to take. I didn't expect Ltin to post it in day chat so I wasn't afraid of being lynched.
3) By saying what I said I think it's more likely to be infected early on because the zombie leader could be in the inn and infect me first. Also, if I was mafia it would certainly lead to my death. They would infect(kill) me without saying anything so how would that ever have benefitted me if I was mafia?
4) When I answered the questions I thought Oracle does have a special ability and I didn't want to list roles seperately because that could've raised questions. I didn't want to give out that information at that point. I even put a question mark at the end so I didn't even say the role has a power.
Regardless, Ender is the still the target of today. Tomorrow we can use the gun and a lynch to get rid of Inf and Ooglie. This confirms Geek's innocence and I think she normally plays pretty passive as town. Geek needs to give the gun randomly to either Faliara, Ltin, herself(if she can) or me.
I thought there was a pretty small chance that Inffy would be mafia over Geek but the scum is basically forced to come out now.
I'll address Inffy's points anyway:
1) I don't think I have been very scummy at all, sure, the zombie suggestion may be seen as controversial as explained many times before, but for the rest I don't see it. I've been helping town a lot, I actually voted pretty quickly on Mars after I thought Ender and Tim were town players. The next day I even said that Dessern was a good chance to be mafia but I also thought there were other good options. I also pointed out that JK is possibly zombie because he "revealed" me as suicide bomber.
Now, looking at you. You've actually been kinda shady, talking too much and coming with weird theories to confuse town. I had some scum feelings from you before (although I didn't think mafia) because you didn't seem to be helping town forward at all, I don't believe you contributed a lot.
2) I don't like to go back to the mindless discussion on zombie comment. I just thought it'd be a nice way to use the inn system and a legitimate alternate strategy for me to take. I didn't expect Ltin to post it in day chat so I wasn't afraid of being lynched.
3) By saying what I said I think it's more likely to be infected early on because the zombie leader could be in the inn and infect me first. Also, if I was mafia it would certainly lead to my death. They would infect(kill) me without saying anything so how would that ever have benefitted me if I was mafia?
4) When I answered the questions I thought Oracle does have a special ability and I didn't want to list roles seperately because that could've raised questions. I didn't want to give out that information at that point. I even put a question mark at the end so I didn't even say the role has a power.
Regardless, Ender is the still the target of today. Tomorrow we can use the gun and a lynch to get rid of Inf and Ooglie. This confirms Geek's innocence and I think she normally plays pretty passive as town. Geek needs to give the gun randomly to either Faliara, Ltin, herself(if she can) or me.
Votecount - Things Are Heating Up
Enderfive - Vatumok (1/4)
Vatumok - Enderfive Infected_alien (2/4)
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch or no-lynch
Enderfive - Vatumok (1/4)
Vatumok - Enderfive Infected_alien (2/4)
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch or no-lynch
1. CaffeinatedKitty - Mad Scientist - Killed Night 1
2. Ooglie101
3. hipman500 - Cop - Killed Night 1
4. Ltin
5. Nottykitten - Doctor - Killed Night 2
6. Infected_alien8_
7. Enderfive
8. Oak63 - Oracle - Killed Night 2
9. Mulbery - Detective - Killed Night 2
10. Runemen4 - Replaced by Geekenstein
11. Timdood3 - Drunk - Killed by Suicide Bomber Day 2
12. Faliara
13. JKangaroo - ? Turned Zombie - Killed Night 3
14. Vatumok
15. MarsKid - Thief - Lynched Day 1
16. Dessern5 - Suicide Bomber - Lynched Day 2
2. Ooglie101
3. hipman500 - Cop - Killed Night 1
4. Ltin
5. Nottykitten - Doctor - Killed Night 2
6. Infected_alien8_
7. Enderfive
8. Oak63 - Oracle - Killed Night 2
9. Mulbery - Detective - Killed Night 2
10. Runemen4 - Replaced by Geekenstein
11. Timdood3 - Drunk - Killed by Suicide Bomber Day 2
12. Faliara
13. JKangaroo - ? Turned Zombie - Killed Night 3
14. Vatumok
15. MarsKid - Thief - Lynched Day 1
16. Dessern5 - Suicide Bomber - Lynched Day 2
Right vat, here's the thing (although I do believe you are survivor still)
We don't know how Geek plays really. Geek hasn't really done much of anything this game (kinda like her predecessor), and her only other game we nearly lynched her D0 for being a noob is if I recall correctly.
Also my plan was based on the post inf had made saying he gave a vest out.
Inf not being BS means that plan falls apart a bit.
We don't know how Geek plays really. Geek hasn't really done much of anything this game (kinda like her predecessor), and her only other game we nearly lynched her D0 for being a noob is if I recall correctly.
Also my plan was based on the post inf had made saying he gave a vest out.
Inf not being BS means that plan falls apart a bit.
I was thinking Geek is probably mafia until now. I don't think her behaviour is clearly town. I may have worded it a bit weirdly but I mean that it makes sense for her to play passive (not really putting forward ideas) as town too, based on what happened the previous game and her I know her.
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
1) How did I make a slip by saying she wasn't BS what?
2) If I were mafia why would I want to lynch town over a zombie, who is my main threat? How would I win by 'stalling the town', and how am I even stalling town, whaaat?
I swear nothing in that first paragraph makes sense but MOVING ON.
Boy your opinion does seem to change an awful lot and convenient times doesn't it! One minute I'm scummy, then you want someone I think is suspicious lynched so I'm suddenly town and doing what I "think is the right thing", and now I'm putting suspicion on you again I'm scum again! I admit I've been pumping some bizarre theories out there this game but in no way have I been unhelpful or confusing town, I've just been giving ideas, which is a way of contributing to town. I'm preeetty sure I put suspicion on both Marskid AND Dessern first out of anyone so how you can say I haven't helped push town in the right direction is beyond me! Actually no it isn't because you're MAFIAAAHHH!
Also, for that second quote, I noticed you never did actually respond to my question about how it made Ltin more townie. You said it fit your 'theory' and when I asked for clarification on how ltin fit into it and how it made him seem more innocent, you never responded. Was it because there was no 'theory' and you just wanted at least two town buddies on your side to get Ender with you, and by saying you trust us you thought we'd trust you too?!!!?
How would you benefit as survivor if the dice landed on "kill" instead of "Infect" on the night you were targeted? You had no idea the zombie leader was in your inn, and you must have very short sight of future if you didn't think of the possibility that you'd be infected later on in the game... And as mafia you would die yes but not before telling your teammates that your inn has a zombie in it so to kill them off tonight.
Whaaat lol??? Literally everyone else listed the roles seperately, HOW could that have raised questions? And saying you put a question mark at the end doesn't meet my point that the reason for your answers would have been to share the truth yet if you're the lone survivor, you didn't.
Your points against me there that I don't think make much sense just confirm to me you're mafia to be honest, because now you're quickly scrambling around in the dirt looking for something, anything, to deflect suspicion onto me rather than yourself.
And now your defence:
You said people were suspicious for voting someone on day 0, saying it seemed like they were sneaking a lynch in when they needed like 7 other votes to make that happen.
You pointed fingers at people and changed your mind when it best suited you to.
You defended Dess right before he died actually.
Pointing out a zombie is also a mafia move.
I think you've been purposefully slightly scummy this game, because you didn't want to be infected or you'd die, so you decided to balance on not being suspicious enough for a lynch but not townie enough to be infected like Ender was (and I think Ender actually made this point earlier).
Geek did not play pretty passive last game, I'm pretty sure she voiced her opinions and even got into several arguments last game. This game she's been quiet as a mouse, because she's newbie scum and isn't sure what to do with it.
This will be the last post for now, I need some sleep too.
First I didn't think you were mafia at all until the point Geek claimed and you reacted. You seem to completely panic and do some half-assed claim, hence a slip. Of course if you are mafia normally you'd rather kill a zombie but I posted a plan involving a gun from the BS that would mean the end of both mafia members tomorrow and you can't let that happen. To optimise your chances you want Ender to stay alive for longer and deal with zombies later when town is weaker. Because you suddenly threw your vote at me, especially with some points that are absolutely illogical, it means you are scum.
My opinion does change a lot but I don't see how that makes me mafia. What I do in mafia is make up my mind quick but also change my mind quick, this way people will get tested and town will progress due to having more information. As long as I'm not pushing (or suppporting) for a lynch and let people know if/when I make a mistake it's only beneficial to town. You put suspicion on Mars but it was a tiny hunch, I could see this very well be a tiny mindgame that if you ever get killed Mars looks a bit better, you didn't even put an early vote on Mars.
His behaviour gave me the idea that he's kinda clueless and just trying to figure who's scum. It also seemed to fit with what I thought about the other players.
This makes absolutely no sense. If I was a mafia the dice would have only been "kill" which is even worse, besides, I have no clue on how the infection/kill system works and whether it is based on chance. The zombie leader infecting someone in the inn and that person telling the leader to infect me doesn't seem super likely over a short amount of nights. And if I was mafia my mafia buddies would just have to assume I got killed by someone in my inn? It's not possible a town killing role got me or that I just randomly hit by zombies? I don't see how that is worth giving up a mafia life for.
I've already explained this so I see no point in doing it again. I agree that I could've signaled it beter but I don't see why this proves that I'm not the survivor.
You say that while one of your points is 100% illogical (read up). I'm not scrambling around. What do you expect that if Geek claims and I come up with a good plan for town, which involves lynching Ender now, to take care of mafia too you suddenly do weird shit and place your vote with Ender on me? I've explained above why that makes you scum and I decided to answers your points as extra evidence.
Then didn't need 7 other votes, they needed just more than the amount for no-lynch. I didn't expect to continue on that suspicion but small things like that can give things away and I don't see what's wrong with testing people. I also don't see how "changing my mind" is bad in this case.
I assume the mafia doesn't know who the SB is because the description says he does not attend the meetings. I don't see how not voting to lynch Dess there makes me mafia then.
True, huntings zombies is both pro-town and pro-mafia.
I didn't mean that Geek's playstyle makes me think she is good. I just think her current playstyle of not contributing much makes sense as town too because of last game and how I know her.
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
If I was mafia right now and you came up with a plan to use the BS against the mafia, why oh why would I be trying to lynch you?? You'd flip was survivor, I'd look evil, the gun plan would still go on and I'd have achieved nothing. The zombies are much more of a threat to mafia then the survivor so I'm very confused as to why you think I'd be doing this if I was mafia? How can I deal with the zombies later when town is weaker? There are literally 3 town, and potentially 2 zombies. If I were mafia and I didn't act now, I've probably lost the game, since they can kill me every night just as much as I can kill them. Which you already know I guess, hence your push on Ender.
Fair enough, but I don't think you did change your opinion a lot purely because that was your honest opinion. For example, why was I suddenly more scummy than Geek just because I pointed fingers at you? Why did that make me scum? Your opinions change to suit your targets.
Yes, you keep saying that, but how? What theory involved other players and ltin and made a law that if x and y were mafia then ltin was inno or whatever rule it was? You just keep brushing this off as a general theory thing and never explaining it, which makes me think it doesn't exist.
How does this make no sense? Yes, as mafia you'd have died, but your plan would have been to get all of your inn on the same side - a little island of a team. When one was infected, they'd tell you, so you wouldn't lynch them and they'd tell you they'd infect one of you the next night (since then you wouldn't rat on them the next day). You'd then report it to your mafia buddies that same night, telling them they say they're infecting one of you, and you either die giving information to your team about who the zombies are or live until the next night and have 2 zombie innmates to rat on to your team. To me that makes perfect sense. And yes, I know you didn't know how the mechanic works, which is why it was very risky for you to do that as a lone survivor, and I don't think you did. And yes, the zombie leader infecting someone in the inn and then them infecting you can literally happen over a couple of nights, I don't understand your point there?
Except no, they didn't:
Yeah, so why'd you use the fact you said Dess could be mafia as a defence against you being mafia then?? I wasn't saying this as a point to make you mafia, I was responding to you saying that it made you less mafia because you mentioned it possible that Dess was mafia.
You sure about that?
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
I think someone just got a bit sweaty when they saw that someone other than me had figured out that you were lying.
You voted after we'd already decimated him. There was no coming back for Mars, the point at which you voted after that couldn't matter less. Throwing suspicion on Dess did happen, but you said it yourself:
Even if you did know, then you've literally thrown suspicion on everyone, and I mean everyone, so you can just double back on any team pairings that come up. Good play, but a little too all over the place, I'm afraid.
>omgus
Yes, because you're mafia and want to get rid of me. If you really were the Survivor, the most logical thing for you to have done once I claimed zombie would've been to support me because it would've meant your own win as well. You didn't, because you're not the Survivor and wouldn't benefit from the zombies winning.
As I already said, you've thrown suspicion on everyone. You can call it "testing" if you like, but as I already said earlier in the game, "testing" is the easiest excuse to come up with when faced with a tricky situation. Being all over the place like this is extremely risky as a Survivor and because of that, I highly doubt you would've done it even if you were the Survivor. What I do think likely, however, is you playing like this as a mafioso, because it will allow you to change suspicions on a whim while allowing you to refer back to some obscure post in the past as proof of "but I already thought so before".
The mafia team has 4 people in it (two now), so it can afford to expend a player to learn the identity of the zombies, which is by far the greatest threat to mafia in this game. The Survivor has no team to fall back on and no reason to want to know who the zombies are. These two reasons make it much more likely for this kind of a move being used by the mafia, rather than the Survivor.
I can't make up my mind about whether you constantly mixing up facts like that to suit your own version of the story is intentional or just bad memory.
Mooglie
The Local Cow
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gee guys nobody thought to tag me earlier???????????????
hi im suspicious samurai
i was suspicious all nights except the first
quietness was partially because of inactivity and also since everyone seems to be killing the inactives at night?? idk
i mean
a) i dont know why anyone is trusting ender tbh he's claimed antitown
b) geek and inf literally counter claimed eachother and noones got suspicious from that??? ok
c) whenever i make lettered lists i always only have 2 points so it looks awkward without a third so here it is
Right. I'm just plain confused.
I dont understand how geek could be a zombie,
both vat and inf are supicious
i had this in my insert quotes box for a reason i dont remember
but seriously what
what
and what
MASSCLAIM
(tbh im pretty sure oog is bad somehow, he was the other candidate for blocking last night)
I dont understand how geek could be a zombie,
both vat and inf are supicious
i had this in my insert quotes box for a reason i dont remember
something about that making sense but only from a point of view i dont agree with or something
but seriously what
what
and what
MASSCLAIM
(tbh im pretty sure oog is bad somehow, he was the other candidate for blocking last night)
Ltin that's because Geek isn't a zombie. I don't know why you have so much trust in a claimed zombie and I've already explained that it doesn't make much sense for there to be 2 zombies now. Regardless of whether you trust me or not I gave town a good win condition assuming the Blacksmith is alive by shooting and lynching the 2 mafia tomorow. It doesn't make much sense for Inffy to go with Ender's plan unless he is mafia. Mafia don't want Ender to be lynched right now because the gun can lead to a pretty easy town win tomorrow, they have very little choice but to lynch someone else today and "stall town". Inffy goes for me because that's Ender's plan and I'm survivor so I'm an easy target.
Again, to be honest, I don't care too much about mafia because when zombies are out I have most likely survived already but my plan involves Ender getting killed now (which is good for me) and mafia getting killed too (which is good for town), win-win situation. And based on Inffy's reaction I am almost certain that he and Ooglie are scum, meaning that Geek is the Blacksmith (maybe Geek can even prove this).
Again, to be honest, I don't care too much about mafia because when zombies are out I have most likely survived already but my plan involves Ender getting killed now (which is good for me) and mafia getting killed too (which is good for town), win-win situation. And based on Inffy's reaction I am almost certain that he and Ooglie are scum, meaning that Geek is the Blacksmith (maybe Geek can even prove this).
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
I FEEL SO ENLIGHTENED FINALLY THINGS ARE MAKING SENSE TO ME THIS GAME AHHH
AND STOP USING THE GUN PLAN. I AM THE BLACKSMITH. IT IS MY GUN AND I AIN'T GIVING IT TO YOU.
What does "stall town" even MEAN?
Why not?
HOW DOESN'T IT MAKE MUCH SENSE FOR ME TO GO WITH ENDER'S PLAN UNLESS I WAS MAFIA??? If I was mafia, I'd need the zombies dead, because guess what with them alive they can either kill me or convert town onto their side and easily gain a majority. If I was mafia I'd need the zombies out of the way so that I could focus on killing town for the rest of the game and winning.
AND STOP USING THE GUN PLAN. I AM THE BLACKSMITH. IT IS MY GUN AND I AIN'T GIVING IT TO YOU.
What does "stall town" even MEAN?
Would you like me to screenshot proof my role confirmation?
(Obviously, I can't do that)
If someone else role claims Blacksmith then they must be mafia, I swear to god I am the blacksmith.
I doubt the host would set a mafia job on a second time playing person, though it may have been done.
Why do people not believe that I am the blacksmith?
Tonight I will give out a gun and then when the game is over, it will be proven that I'm the blacksmith.
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