Zambie Mafia - Day 4 - Game Over - Town Victory

[Enderfive]

derfive were you the LS before you were converted by any chance

sure, why not

if you've been paying attention to what i've been saying you'll no doubt note some disrepancies between what i just said and what i've said before, i am fully aware of that and ultimately, it doesn't particularly matter if it was me who was the lone survivor or jk, what matters is the fact that vatu is not and was not at any point

yes.
Why would he invite zombies to infect him if he was mafia? It's ensuring his death.

and gaining info for his teammates

why would he invite zombies to infect him if he was survivor? he'd have much more to lose and nothing to gain

Killing off the zombies now is always more advantageous than taking a mafia now and a zombie + mafia tomorrow.

oh i bet you'd say that, you zombie-fearing mafia you

Ender even claimed that Geek and I are 100% mafia while that's not really possible

i was clearly not being 100% serious when i said that, c'mon man

that being said, i do think it's the likeliest way things are


in any case, ltin, if you think lynching mafia is the best option the town has rn, then just vote vatu with us, or if you still think he's the survivor, vote geek and i'll follow

 

[Ltin]

Wait what did you mean here I'm confused

If ender is telling the truth, one of us gains from going along with him, rather than none.

If ender is lying WE ALL gain from going along with him, because he cant do anything about us in the time it takes for us to get rid of him.

basically, if we lynch a mafia tonight, AT LEAST one of us will have smooth sailing the rest of the game.

 

[Ltin]

i want to discuss this out, i want us all to be in agreement (us being me, inf, and fali).

exactly what more does he have to lose by inviting zombies to kill him if he is survivor?

 

[Enderfive]

exactly what more does he have to lose by inviting zombies to kill him if he is survivor?

the game

 

[Vatumok]

If ender is the zombie leader (as i suspect) and we lynch a mafia then the mafia has no chance of beating us to the punch before we can gun someone down tomorrow. If we lynch ender the mafia has a chance of beating us to the punch w/ you. We out number you, so you have to go with OUR plan.

Though, you realise Ender doesn't just disappear? Zombies can still become a real threat to town. Also, I have no reason to betray you for the mafia as I can just as easily win with town, which I honour if you help me get rid of Ender. Besides, if I were to support mafia I'd have to risk my life putting a quick vote on a townie and with the 2 other mafia voting too before the gun goes off which doesn't seem very realistic.

 

[Ltin]

Huh?

the zombies (and then by extension him, because as his innmates we could tel him how many the zombies are) tell him exactly which roles are left in the game.
The zombies can be assumed at pretty much all points know who is winning, and survivor stands the most to benefit from knowing that.

 

[Ltin]

Zombies can still become a real threat to town.

no they cant. There will still be one zombie tomorrow. err, wait...

 

[Infected_alien8_]

If ender is telling the truth, one of us gains from going along with him, rather than none.

If ender is lying WE ALL gain from going along with him, because he cant do anything about us in the time it takes for us to get rid of him.

basically, if we lynch a mafia tonight, AT LEAST one of us will have smooth sailing the rest of the game.

tbh my aim is for town to win rather than just have at least one of us out of us three win, I'm doin this for my dead homies!!!

Also if we leave ender alive and he is in fact alone (which I don't think he is tbh but) he can infect someone else since there's no more roleblock and even if mafia kills ender we could still face:

3 town (one infected) 2 mafia

where we lynch mafia = 2 town 1 zombie 1 mafia

mafia might miss zombie and hit town =

1 town 1 zombie 1 mafia

where I don't think we can come back from right?

idk I'm so CONFUSED

 

[Ltin]

remember, infection doesn't take effect until next night. So the question is whether game ends when there are no more scum, but is one person who will be scum.

i asked samlen, we'll see what he says

 

[Infected_alien8_]

the zombies (and then by extension him, because as his innmates we could tel him how many the zombies are) tell him exactly which roles are left in the game.
The zombies can be assumed at pretty much all points know who is winning, and survivor stands the most to benefit from knowing that.

Do they though? Do they benefit from knowing what town roles are left in the game? It's not like they can do much with that info to help themselves survive is it?

 

[Enderfive]

if you help me get rid of Ender.

dude you could literally just win with us right now if you were the survivor

but you're not

hence the push

 

[Infected_alien8_]

remember, infection doesn't take effect until next night. So the question is whether game ends when there are no more scum, but is one person who will be scum.

i asked samlen, we'll see what he says

Why would we end up in a situation like that any time soon though? The only way that'd happen is if ender is the only zombie and he is killed at night by the mafia I think?

 

[Ltin]

Do they though? Do they benefit from knowing what town roles are left in the game? It's not like they can do much with that info to help themselves survive is it?

the survival aspect is just as much a roll of the dice as any other role.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Also why can't all mafia games all days be this active and intense pls

 

[Ltin]

Why would we end up in a situation like that any time soon though? The only way that'd happen is if ender is the only zombie and he is killed at night by the mafia I think?

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING

 

[Infected_alien8_]

the survival aspect is just as much a roll of the dice as any other role.

Ya but if vat was survivor he just risked his life and one and only goal so that he could...what? Know some roles and risk being tracked/killed by Samauri or something?

 

[Infected_alien8_]

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING

So you think Ender is the only zombie?

 

[Ltin]

Yes

 

[Vatumok]

Also Ltin , Inffy is scum together with Ender. I've already explained many times why but just look at the arguments they are making. (they are even defending each other's arguments at the moment!)

The complete bogus argument defended by both that as a survivor I wouldn't say the message about zombies in inn. If I was mafia it would in every case be worse to say what I said. To think I'd get information from it as mafia is absolutely ridiculous, of course the zombie leader isn't gonna say in the inn "ye fam I'm the zombie leader". This argument is 100% illogical and that's why they just made it up to protect theirselves.

Why I want Ender dead? Because as long as the zombie stay in the game I am a potentional infection target and that could lead to me being killed. I can't just "win" the game by joining zombies because Ender is the last one left. Teaming up with town is now also by far in my best interest.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Also Ltin , Inffy is scum together with Ender. I've already explained many times why but just look at the arguments they are making. (they are even defending each other's arguments at the moment!)

The complete bogus argument defended by both that as a survivor I wouldn't say the message about zombies in inn. If I was mafia it would in every case be worse to say what I said. To think I'd get information from it as mafia is absolutely ridiculous, of course the zombie leader isn't gonna say in the inn "ye fam I'm the zombie leader". This argument is 100% illogical and that's why they just made it up to protect theirselves.

Why I want Ender dead? Because as long as the zombie stay in the game I am a potentional infection target and that could lead to me being killed. I can't just "win" the game by joining zombies because Ender is the last one left. Teaming up with town is now also by far in my best interest.

I mean if you're convinced I'm scum then you teaming with "town" isn't going to end as you think it will.

Also no, I'm not saying the zombie leader will say "ye fam I'm the zombie leader", I'm saying, EXAMPLE

Ltin, Vat + Notty sitting in inn

Notty: I was infected last night and am now a zombie. I have infected one of you so that we can all go with the plan Vat suggested and win with the zombies. I won't say which one of you I infected just in case you decide to tell, so that way you might be shooting yourself in the foot if you do tell because then you might be the one I infected.
Vatumok: Okay nice. Don't worry I will not tell.
Ltin: same

--- next night
Ltin: I was infected, you're next Vat.
Vatumok: Okay. Just so I know then, who are all the other zombies so that I don't accidentally lynch them tomorrow?
Notty: INFO INFO INFO

-- mean while in mafia land
Vatumok: hey everyone the zombies are INFO INFO INFO gl im dead xx >:)

 

[Ltin]

Doesn't the mafia die on infection, not turning?

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Doesn't the mafia die on infection, not turning?

Yes, it'd be suicide but in turn the mafia would know who to kill/aim to lynch, which is worth one mafia death considering the zombies are the mafia's #1 threat.

 

[Vatumok]

Doesn't the mafia die on infection, not turning?

Yes it would be stupid for zombies to say that, if I was mafia I'd know that Notty and Ltin were bad then and it would backfire hard and mean the end for zombies. Hence that argument that both Inffy and Ender are trying to use against me makes no sense.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Yes it would be stupid for zombies to say that, if I was mafia I'd know that Notty and Ltin were bad then and it would backfire hard and mean the end for zombies. Hence that argument that both Inffy and Ender are trying to use against me makes no sense.

No because you'd be infected so if you were town it would have worked

I'm not saying the plan makes 100% sense because it could have backfired, but I think it made even less sense for you to do that as Survivor

 

[Vatumok]

No because you'd be infected so if you were town it would have worked

I'm not saying the plan makes 100% sense because it could have backfired, but I think it made even less sense for you to do that as Survivor

Yeah... I'm sure zombies would put their entire game at risk just to tell us in the inn that one of us is infected. If there was a mafia in the same inn then it would have been game over for them but w/e right??? They can just infect people without telling them, there is no reason to say anything like that in the inn chat.