The Red Scare [Game Over]
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Infected_alien8_
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Honestly though I literally keep forgetting that samlen is in the game, which kinda suggests to me that maybe I'm not suspicious of him enough to lynch since otherwise I think he'd be on my mind more like hk is, but eh, I think it's just his quietness that's making me forget
Infected_alien8_
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Like with mine the whole point of it was that you can see the relationships between different people, yours is basically a votecount for suspicions
(I know I need to stop posting like this I'm so sorry)
(I know I need to stop posting like this I'm so sorry)
I can see the 'relationships' on mine just fine thanks
also you should take your advice and
<3
Infected_alien8_
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Sorry fog but we just have to accept that I'm just better than you in every single way
If you like, I can try to tutor you in private, and I'm not saying you can become as good as me because that's very unlikely impossible and I don't want to sugar coat things or get your hopes up, but I can do my best to help you. Please consider it, I really think it'll do you good :)
If you like, I can try to tutor you in private, and I'm not saying you can become as good as me because that's very unlikely impossible and I don't want to sugar coat things or get your hopes up, but I can do my best to help you. Please consider it, I really think it'll do you good :)
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Hi
I'm still here
Please give me some time to read all of the posts again because I am very very confused by inffy's posts
I'm still here
Please give me some time to read all of the posts again because I am very very confused by inffy's posts
Oak Milk
Kill Hungry Thirsty Dead
Honestly, it happened really quickly, I'm not sure if I were awake I would have enough time to do anything about what happened purely because I take too long to post anything significant.
Infected_alien8_
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Okay, but what would you have wanted to do, had you had enough time?
Which posts confuse you?
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I'll just dump my opinions on all the suspects that were having in the game so far, based on the suspicion arrow image thing that you made and foggy improved on and hopefully by doing that I'll clear up my own confusion, I guess.
Firstly, I can't tell for sure if HK is scum or town. So far he's acted like how he was acting last game i.e. townie, so I can't tell for sure. Foggy's table seems to indicate quite a bit of suspicion on HK, and from my previous games with him the way he says things tend to get a lot of attention on him, so it's kinda unexpected. It could go either way.
Next, foggy... I have no idea. Foggy is being foggy. Again, acting like how he's been acting in the mafia games I've played with him (which was really just one game). Same as above.
As for unu and weakguy, I am thoroughly convinced that any suspicions raised by them against each other is just pure sibling banter.
Unu did state how iggy's voting patterns are very weird. I'll have to look through it all over again just to be sure, but it does seem like iggy's trying awfully hard to fit in.
Aqua hasn't called me out for being inactive, which is really weird. I don't know what I can deduce outta that.
On inffy, he seemed awfully desperate to justify his suspicions on hip on the dawn of the second day, and to be honest, I wouldn't have really thought of inffy as being the killer until he mentioned the possibility of someone framing him. I'm confused about inffy simply because he speaks so much and on one hand, I do believe that he's probably not mafia since if he were we wouldn'tve seen hip die, yet on the other hand he just seems like he's trying too hard, which makes it really hard for me to take him seriously. He's not usually like this unless hes being threatened with a lynch, where he desperately tries to prove that he is on the town side. It seems like at this point that is the case as well - him being pushed to prove that he's town. It's just that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of things pushing him to do so except for the hip death and the suspicions, which kinda stem from him flooding the thread with so many posts. I can't say I'm suspicious. Doubtful, maybe. Mostly confused as to what I should believe in and what I shouldn't.
He hasn't claimed anything yet though so I guess the fun part has yet to come.
As for anyone else whom I didn't mention, I don't know much about them to say anything definitive. I'm still trying to comprehend how y'all managed to lynch the cop while I was asleep. We could've totally had the cop claim from the start and have the doctor protect him every night, but I guess I realised that late and it's hard to say if that strategy would work.
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What do the colours representthis is what i've been doing for the past hour and a half
send help
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
Right, well, since my shitstain of a laptop decided it's not going to charge anymore, then I'm afraid I'm still forced to do this on mobile.
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When the day started, people were bouncing around this idea that Inf was being framed by the mafia via the nightkill on hipman. I find that highly unlikely. When trying to frame someone, the obvious option is to kill a person who had suspicions on the target, not someone who the target was suspicious of, since it's much easier to see why a mafioso would want to get rid of a player who has been putting suspicion on them as opposed to wanting to get rid of a player that they were trying to get rid of anyway. To me, this means one of two things happened:
a) Inf is mafia
or b) the Vig was the one who killed hipman and the Doc successfully saved the mafia victim.
Let's look at both options. If Inf was a mafia, killing hipman would actually be a pretty smart move. Hip wasn't exactly a player who was known as someone who's strong and might pose a threat to the mafia. He was also under suspicion from Inf, so killing him would be at the same time such an obvious connection between Inf and Hip, while at the same time it would be such a perplexing move to make as a mafioso, that it would be hard to see any mafioso actually do it. Taking that into consideration, Hip would indeed have been a great target for Inf, since the logical assumption would be that Inf wasn't the one to do it. That, however, would require some serious logic analysis before performing the kill, and I'm not sure if Inf with his rash and impulsive playing style would actually do that. There is, of course the possibility, that Inf isn't mafia and the actual mafia were trying to frame him after all, but that would rely on someone actually biting through this piece of mindgaming, not to mention that they'd have to actually come up with it in the first place. While I could see a player like Notty as someone who's capable of that, then I still think that's unlikely, since the levels of mindgames are just too much for a N1 kill.
That leaves the second option, then: Hipman was killed by the Vig and the Doc succeeded in saving the mafia's victim. Obviously the mafia must have tried to kill someone, so if the Vig did kill Hip, then that means the mafiakill was somehow blocked. Only way to do that in this game is the Doc healing their victim, so if we assume the Vig theory is correct, that means the Doc made a prudent choice this night. As for why the Vig decided to kill Hip or decided to kill him at all, well, there's a number of reasons I could think of. It could've been a random kill just to see if he got lucky, it could've been that he believed Inf's theory of him being a scum, it could've been that he was already suspicious of Hip even without Inf's theory, it could've been any combination of the three or something else entirely. The thing to note here is that in order for this scenario to be true, two things must have happened: the Vig decided to kill in the first place, which isn't that unlikely, but it's not a given either, and second, the Doc had to get their save right. It's a pretty big if, and so we have three unlikely options for what happened during the night. I personally find Inf being mafia the most likely, but my gut tells me it was the Vig who killed Hip.
It's important to note that the two options aren't mutually exclusive: Inf could still be mafia even if the mafiakill didn't go through and the Vig was the one who killed Hip, and it's also entirely possible that the mafia and the Vig both targeted Hip.
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I'm townreading Caff and Unu right now. Caff is being calm as usual and Unu made some pretty good points in that big post of his. No opinion on Aqua, Mulb, HKC and Oak.
Oog is being his usual self, as far as I'm concerned. Same goes for Notty. However, I am seeing a faint connection between Oog, Notty and Inf. More on that later.
No opinion on Foggy, though I did notice he very slightly defended HKC when Inf attacked him and is now pushing for a lynch on Inf, as is HKC. Not quite sure what to make of that.
Am interested in seeing how the thing between Iggish and TWG plays out.
Samlen is uncharacteristically quiet, at least in my opinion. Makes me wonder if there's something going on there.
Anyway, as you can see from my previous post, I've been analysing some patterns when it comes to suspicions and such and I found some interesting stuff. It's possible I missed some suspicions or such, but here's what I gathered:
-Seven people had multiple suspicions against them:
Inf - HKC, Iggish, Foggy, Aqua, Ender
Sam - Inf, Iggish, Ender
Ender - Inf, Notty, Oog, Foggy
HKC - Inf, Unu, Iggish, Oog, TWG
Aqua - Inf, Oog
Iggish - Inf, Unu, Notty, TWG, Mulb
Unu - Notty, TWG
-From there I started comparing suspicions and found that five pairs of players had the same suspicions on multiple occasions:
Notty + TWG -> Iggish, Unu
Iggish + Inf -> Sam, HKC
Inf + Oog -> Ender, HKC, Aqua
Notty + Inf -> Ender, Iggish
Iggish + Ender -> Sam, Inf
Inf was in three of those pairs, Notty and Iggish both in two. Now, since Iggish has expressed suspicion in Inf and vice versa, I'm guessing we can assume we can strike that possible team off. Now, you guys don't really know if I'm mafia or not so I'll understand if you decide to keep the pairing with me and Iggish up there, but I personally know I'm not mafia, so I'm taking that off my radar as well. That leaves me with:
Notty + TWG -> Iggish, Unu
Inf + Oog -> Ender, HKC, Aqua
Notty + Inf -> Ender, Iggish
What's interesting to note here is that Notty's, Oog's and Inf's suspicions clash at only one spot, despite there being seven different suspects between the three of them. The disrepancy comes with Unu, where Notty is suspicious and Inf is townreading him. Perhaps it's also worthy of mention that Inf only townread Unu after his long post, to which Notty has not yet responded.
Then there's how Inf, TWG, Oog, Iggish, myself, Mulb and Aqua were the ones to have suspicions only on people others did too (although Aqua and Mulb both have only had one suspicion, and as for me, again, I know I'm not mafia so I won't personally waste time analysing that).
Another thing I noted when going back was how Notty slightly defended Inf when he was getting heat in Day 0. What Notty said made sense, but it still kind of stuck out to me.
Also interesting was how between Notty, TWG, Inf and Oog, there were no suspicions among each other and how, when I removed the obviously false pairings (obviously false for me, at least), they were the only people who were in the pairings. The fact that of those four, three had expressed suspicions against me, HKC and Iggish, who I sort of recall as the people who pushed the most against Inf is also interesting.
To conclude, I don't really have too strong opinions about anyone, but I am noticing some things going on between Notty, Inf and Oog, and possibly TWG. When we add Sam, who's been a little strange, or Oak, who I have a gut feeling about, then that just about rounds out my hypothetical mafia team for the time being, so without further ado:
vote Infected_alien8
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When the day started, people were bouncing around this idea that Inf was being framed by the mafia via the nightkill on hipman. I find that highly unlikely. When trying to frame someone, the obvious option is to kill a person who had suspicions on the target, not someone who the target was suspicious of, since it's much easier to see why a mafioso would want to get rid of a player who has been putting suspicion on them as opposed to wanting to get rid of a player that they were trying to get rid of anyway. To me, this means one of two things happened:
a) Inf is mafia
or b) the Vig was the one who killed hipman and the Doc successfully saved the mafia victim.
Let's look at both options. If Inf was a mafia, killing hipman would actually be a pretty smart move. Hip wasn't exactly a player who was known as someone who's strong and might pose a threat to the mafia. He was also under suspicion from Inf, so killing him would be at the same time such an obvious connection between Inf and Hip, while at the same time it would be such a perplexing move to make as a mafioso, that it would be hard to see any mafioso actually do it. Taking that into consideration, Hip would indeed have been a great target for Inf, since the logical assumption would be that Inf wasn't the one to do it. That, however, would require some serious logic analysis before performing the kill, and I'm not sure if Inf with his rash and impulsive playing style would actually do that. There is, of course the possibility, that Inf isn't mafia and the actual mafia were trying to frame him after all, but that would rely on someone actually biting through this piece of mindgaming, not to mention that they'd have to actually come up with it in the first place. While I could see a player like Notty as someone who's capable of that, then I still think that's unlikely, since the levels of mindgames are just too much for a N1 kill.
That leaves the second option, then: Hipman was killed by the Vig and the Doc succeeded in saving the mafia's victim. Obviously the mafia must have tried to kill someone, so if the Vig did kill Hip, then that means the mafiakill was somehow blocked. Only way to do that in this game is the Doc healing their victim, so if we assume the Vig theory is correct, that means the Doc made a prudent choice this night. As for why the Vig decided to kill Hip or decided to kill him at all, well, there's a number of reasons I could think of. It could've been a random kill just to see if he got lucky, it could've been that he believed Inf's theory of him being a scum, it could've been that he was already suspicious of Hip even without Inf's theory, it could've been any combination of the three or something else entirely. The thing to note here is that in order for this scenario to be true, two things must have happened: the Vig decided to kill in the first place, which isn't that unlikely, but it's not a given either, and second, the Doc had to get their save right. It's a pretty big if, and so we have three unlikely options for what happened during the night. I personally find Inf being mafia the most likely, but my gut tells me it was the Vig who killed Hip.
It's important to note that the two options aren't mutually exclusive: Inf could still be mafia even if the mafiakill didn't go through and the Vig was the one who killed Hip, and it's also entirely possible that the mafia and the Vig both targeted Hip.
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I'm townreading Caff and Unu right now. Caff is being calm as usual and Unu made some pretty good points in that big post of his. No opinion on Aqua, Mulb, HKC and Oak.
Oog is being his usual self, as far as I'm concerned. Same goes for Notty. However, I am seeing a faint connection between Oog, Notty and Inf. More on that later.
No opinion on Foggy, though I did notice he very slightly defended HKC when Inf attacked him and is now pushing for a lynch on Inf, as is HKC. Not quite sure what to make of that.
Am interested in seeing how the thing between Iggish and TWG plays out.
Samlen is uncharacteristically quiet, at least in my opinion. Makes me wonder if there's something going on there.
Anyway, as you can see from my previous post, I've been analysing some patterns when it comes to suspicions and such and I found some interesting stuff. It's possible I missed some suspicions or such, but here's what I gathered:
-Seven people had multiple suspicions against them:
Inf - HKC, Iggish, Foggy, Aqua, Ender
Sam - Inf, Iggish, Ender
Ender - Inf, Notty, Oog, Foggy
HKC - Inf, Unu, Iggish, Oog, TWG
Aqua - Inf, Oog
Iggish - Inf, Unu, Notty, TWG, Mulb
Unu - Notty, TWG
-From there I started comparing suspicions and found that five pairs of players had the same suspicions on multiple occasions:
Notty + TWG -> Iggish, Unu
Iggish + Inf -> Sam, HKC
Inf + Oog -> Ender, HKC, Aqua
Notty + Inf -> Ender, Iggish
Iggish + Ender -> Sam, Inf
Inf was in three of those pairs, Notty and Iggish both in two. Now, since Iggish has expressed suspicion in Inf and vice versa, I'm guessing we can assume we can strike that possible team off. Now, you guys don't really know if I'm mafia or not so I'll understand if you decide to keep the pairing with me and Iggish up there, but I personally know I'm not mafia, so I'm taking that off my radar as well. That leaves me with:
Notty + TWG -> Iggish, Unu
Inf + Oog -> Ender, HKC, Aqua
Notty + Inf -> Ender, Iggish
What's interesting to note here is that Notty's, Oog's and Inf's suspicions clash at only one spot, despite there being seven different suspects between the three of them. The disrepancy comes with Unu, where Notty is suspicious and Inf is townreading him. Perhaps it's also worthy of mention that Inf only townread Unu after his long post, to which Notty has not yet responded.
Then there's how Inf, TWG, Oog, Iggish, myself, Mulb and Aqua were the ones to have suspicions only on people others did too (although Aqua and Mulb both have only had one suspicion, and as for me, again, I know I'm not mafia so I won't personally waste time analysing that).
Another thing I noted when going back was how Notty slightly defended Inf when he was getting heat in Day 0. What Notty said made sense, but it still kind of stuck out to me.
Also interesting was how between Notty, TWG, Inf and Oog, there were no suspicions among each other and how, when I removed the obviously false pairings (obviously false for me, at least), they were the only people who were in the pairings. The fact that of those four, three had expressed suspicions against me, HKC and Iggish, who I sort of recall as the people who pushed the most against Inf is also interesting.
To conclude, I don't really have too strong opinions about anyone, but I am noticing some things going on between Notty, Inf and Oog, and possibly TWG. When we add Sam, who's been a little strange, or Oak, who I have a gut feeling about, then that just about rounds out my hypothetical mafia team for the time being, so without further ado:
vote Infected_alien8
Well there are 5 mafia after all and most people are only suspicious of 1 or 2 people. So how about we do a thing where we all comment on who we each think are mafia, all five of them.
If I had to pick 5, I'd probably go with:
Infected -has been suspicious for me the whole game
HkCaper- pretty shady in my opinion, and it seems that everyone is pointing out how different he is acting this game.
TheWeakGuy - beginning to look pretty damn shady in my eyes (lack of content, accusing the accusor, trying to stay under the radar)
Samlen- lack of content and a gut feeling
and let's say Oog / Aqua for my fifth (I'm not sure who to put here)
If I had to pick 5, I'd probably go with:
Infected -has been suspicious for me the whole game
HkCaper- pretty shady in my opinion, and it seems that everyone is pointing out how different he is acting this game.
TheWeakGuy - beginning to look pretty damn shady in my eyes (lack of content, accusing the accusor, trying to stay under the radar)
Samlen- lack of content and a gut feeling
and let's say Oog / Aqua for my fifth (I'm not sure who to put here)
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
I did say that I think Inf is the communist leader, and I'm still pretty sure about that. However like I said before the mafia are more of a threat and I'd rather attempt to lynch one of them (and I think foggy is one of them as he's in the pentagram of 5 mafia).
I'm inclined to think that you are town, even though you stand out on the lynch on Jivvi. I'm getting town vibes off of you right now.
Oak Milk
Kill Hungry Thirsty Dead
I'm going to take a serious stab at this at a reasonable hour sometime later today or at the very least try, please don't go and do something stupid and lynch our doctor or something while I am asleep k thnx
If I was a vigilante, I would rather want to kill someone who was more active, influential and had spoken more, than someone who did not have any suspicions, didn’t speak, and generally did nothing for the town. The only player that had suspicions on Hip was Infected, but from a guy who posted like 3 posts(?) it is hard to get something out of. I believe it is unlikely a vigilante found a good reason to kill him, while there was a lot of other suspicious things going on the first day. If that is true the vigilante either failed to kill a player because of a Doctor did not want to kill it would mean that either the doctor now knows who the vigilante targeted, or that “the vig could be one of the more careful players among us” as Caff said. The only reason I can find for a Vigilante to kill Hip was that he hammered jivvi.
From the mafias perspective, I think Hip would be a good target mostly because the little information we would get out of the kill. That would mean that there instead would be more speculations and since Infected suspected him, it would people more suspicious of him. I also think he potentially could have been a cult leader (i personally thought he could be one), and the mafias could have been thinking the same (based on this post).
From the mafias perspective, I think Hip would be a good target mostly because the little information we would get out of the kill. That would mean that there instead would be more speculations and since Infected suspected him, it would people more suspicious of him. I also think he potentially could have been a cult leader (i personally thought he could be one), and the mafias could have been thinking the same (based on this post).
Infected could also have killed Hip, but I find that just as likely that as if any other here did. Also, if Infected turns out to be mafia, it does not prove that he killed Hip. It also does not prove that Hip was killed for the reason to make Infected seem framed and split people's opinions, even though I would think it would be likely that the mafias could have thought of that too when killing Hip.