Well, I was in Officers chat with
JKangaroo webpaige and
Notme and literally, nothing happened... nobody spoke... I asked a couple of Q's but nobody answered
As web said before; yeah, web answered!
Web said they were the best! Which is totally true; totally.
And sorry, I would've talked more, and also, have sorta been lurking at the moment, but I don't have a lot of access to a pizza right now, and I possibly won't for another week or so since I'm getting mine fixed (hopefully it'll be done sooner); but I've been reading and keeping up!--- I could've replied using a phone but... eugh... typing on phones, especially with how long I write is just.... ewwww. No thank you. I have been using one to read the thread though so I'm up to date on whats going on even if I haven't said much.
...but I'm here now, and have access to a computer for the past/next few hours that I'm writing this so I can respond!...
...But I don't quite have a lot relevant to say I must admit; I have quite a few theories buzzing around now that I've reread the whole thread, but I feel like I need a bit more time to really solidify them. I'll try and talk about a bit of it now though.
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also fair warning; I think I'm just repeating stuff already talked about because woo(not woo) to me being late to the party but I'm gonna go ahead and talk anyways)
I'll say a bit about HK first since they're a big factor in the current suspicions because of what went down yesterday.
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It was definitely easy to see that HKCaper was going to be the big target from the mafia with how much hype surrounded his role. I am wondering how the doctor didn't see him as the most likely candidate to be lynched in all of this. HK didn't really leave too many clues as to his role or who he was gunning for in the night or previous nights, so I can't say for certain what he was trying to do with his role block ability that could have proven Notty was mafia yesterday.
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Okay so I originally read this in regards to HK not leaving clues/sort of soft-claiming during that day conversation when myuser/inf were sort of shaking HK down, and that's what I'll be basing my message about just so people know. But now that I've read this quote again though I'm not quite sure how we'd know much about HK from the previous nights (besides the General quarters chats of course) so I'm a bit confused on you talking about the nights leaving clues.
Anyways, I'm gonna go with my original interpretation, and thus I'm going to say, I disagree; I think HK was town-telling rather hard yesterday.
I sort of said this in my post during that day as well, but now that HK is dead, I think there's a lot of stuff there now that we can view it again in hindsight
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So, there we go. This post, this is the post I want to discuss, mostly. Why? Because this post is absolute bullshit. I can tell all of you right now, I did not visit notty last night, hence she is lying to defend herself. Even before claiming this, and using me in her charade, she was hinting towards me with the use of "inb4 its HK, foggy is talking about" and all that. For me, this confirms what Arelic and Foggy are saying, and confirms that Notty is mafia.
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There are a two scenarios here, which I will get into a bit:
1. My role doesnt involve visiting at all
If I cannot visit people, I cant possibly have visited Notty, which means she must be lying.
2. I visited someone else
If I visited someone else, it goes down to what my role is exactly, and who I visited, to clear out the possibility of a bus driver (which doesnt really fits in the whole spaceship scene in my opinion anyway, I mean the role and the name, not just the name).
For both scenarios, claiming would clear up a lot of the confusion. However, to prevent giving mafia too much information (and possibly a claimchain), I am going to hold of from claiming for now. Also, I think there is enough evidence pointing towards Notty to lynch her for now.
I guess I can give something away,
My role does in fact involve visiting, and the person who I did visit could in theory back up my claim.
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When I made my post the previous day; I said I trusted HK, because at the time based on what I had read, I was guessing HK was probably some sort of
Jailer-esq role. I thought it connected fairly well with what was said: it explained the fact that HK could visit someone other than what Notty was claiming, it explained how HK was certain another person could back up their innocence and did not require HK to fully claim (and thus guarantee Notty was lying) because hey, usually jailers can converse with whoever was jailed, and if not, could potentially be simply a roleblocker, as noted by myuser claiming be roleblocked that day (and now that we know what HK really was, could make a safe guess that myuser was their target that night).
...I also mainly just thought it made sense in a flavour-text sort of way because, hey! we're on a spaceship, and ships have
the brig where people could get locked up and prevented from doing anything because they were taken prisoner that night (like in the Battlestar Galactica board game!) and that felt like it made sense for the setting and with the ranks because hey, maybe HK was some sort of Brig Officer or whatever.
But with their death we now know they were a "
Mess Manager," which I guess is like, the person who ran the cantina/cafeteria... definitely not the first thing I would've thought of honestly but, I guess it also makes a lot of sense flavour-wise.
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But anyways, it definitely is interesting to see HK die last night.
It's appears to be both the most likely person to be killed, but also something seems a bit off about it.
I think myuser already summed it up pretty well:
Also, yesterday makes a lot of sense now. If HK had roleblocked me it would've been awkward if he had given my name in response to me asking for a player, plus it would've made it fairly obvious he was the roleblocker.[JKang Note: See; myuser gets it. It all sort of makes sense now in hindsight]
I wonder if mafia killed TWG and TWG killed Hk. It makes sense because he might look suspicious after yesterday's conversation, though it's sad we lost him. I hate when townies kill townies, but that assumption is our best case scenario. If we assume TWG used his watcher ability instead then we have our worst case scenario that implies there is a dangerous third party out there.
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Again, I think myuser said it pretty well:
I think it sorta makes sense if TWG killed HK in a towny suspicious of another townie, though I personally only feel that way because of this specific line back on page 8 (I think):
Claim your role, claim it now. Do it
I don't really remember reading much with TWG otherwise, and because of that I am sort of leaning more toward myusers "worst case scenario" in that HK was potentially killed by either Mafia, or an unknown third-party.
In fact, I think just the idea of there being another third-party, especially a dangerous one, makes a lot of sense games-wise.
I haven't played in awhile, but I remember for a lot of the early seasons and some of the more basic set-ups, there's usually around 2 third-party roles mixed in between the townies and the mafia factions: usually one isn't as damaging to the main game and has their own agenda; something simple like a fool, or a survivor, or something crazy like a Creepy girl or whatever... And the second usually being a serial killer-esq role.
I think we could consider Hip's Executive Officer role to be that sort of harmless/friendly 3rd-party found in the former; that only leaves the possibility of the latter existing.
And alongside that, it seems like it would make sense with how some normal set-up ratios are laid out (although we can't really confirm that here since it's a closed setup): since we have... 16 people I think? Having around 4-5 mafias, 1-2 third parties, and 9-10 townies seems about right.
I think it makes sense game-wise...
I'm just not quite sure how that would fit flavour-wise or what the role would be called/whatever.
On top of that, I think it there might not be one because of how the past few days went. Night 1 was... surprisingly low on deaths in my opinion based on past experiences in these games. Hip was the only person that died. I think it's safe to assume TWG would watch a player on the first night because a vig going in blind on the first night is a bit risky, and that would leave Hip being a kill by the Mafia. Then we move onto this past night where 2 people died: TWG and HK; one of whom was I guess we can assume to be our vigilante this game, and if the only killing roles were the vig and the mafia, then TWG was killed by Mafia and HK killed by TWG and...
I--- I just dunno, that just sort of doesn't sit right with me. I don't remember reading much of TWG being suspicious on HK, though I probably just wasn't paying attention, and I feel like a townie killing another townie is just too unfortunate of an outcome to be true. Plus, since Notty died and was revealed to be mafia, I feel like that should've at least cleared HK of a little bit of suspicion for that night so I find it weird a townie would go after them.
...And at the same time I feel like HK would be way to obvious of a mafia kill and would be easily tracked or watched or doctored or whatever and they'd go after someone not really involved during that day.
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I'm just sort of rambling on at this point.
tl;dr HK's death doesn't sit right with me; I definitely think there's a potential third-party killer in this game, and if there are, I think I might have a few hunches on who it could be if they do exist.
Also: this whole post is sort of just one big ramble but whatever.
Also also#2: I've sort of lost my train of thought and am going to stop here for the moment.
Also also also #3: Someone posted questions, didn't they? I'll answer them in another post later I guess.