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Aqua

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This is litterally what you were doing. Also if you really wanted to quote me why don't you quote everytime I said the word litterally, that makes for a nice quote base. But yes you didn't care about the 3 lynch suspects and you still don't care whether I'm town or not now. (Spoiler alert, I am!)
I mean of course I care if you're twon that logic makes 0 fucking sense and suggests we should just no lynch until a cop reveals hard fucking evidence?

You don't care whether I'm town otherwise you wouldn't so confidently push against me?????

Once again saying falsities to paint me as scum, it won't work.
 

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He isn't though? He's said this multiple times and unless I'm mistaken the ONLY person for it is twg
I asked if he was still in favour of a massclaim and he said yes. But he never said why and when I asked him again he dodged it by saying 'why does my opinion matter, are you trying to cause confusion???' (not a direct quote but from memory).

I'd like to know why he thinks a massclaim could be good/bad for us.
 

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YOU LITERALLY CALLED ME OUT FOR DOING THE SAME SHIT HOLY FUCK
literally when

THIS ALSO COMPLETELY CONTRADICTS WHAT YOU WERE SAYING BEFORE ABOUT IT NOT BEING SCUMMY THAT NOTTY DIDN'T MENTION ME BEING SCUM DAY 0
literally how

The conclusion I've come to is ender you're retarded whether you're scum or not
i mean jesus if it's that fucking bad just vote me or something

don't throw these downie fits just because you can't understand basic logic
 

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I asked if he was still in favour of a massclaim and he said yes. But he never said why and when I asked him again he dodged it by saying 'why does my opinion matter, are you trying to cause confusion???' (not a direct quote but from memory).

I'd like to know why he thinks a massclaim could be good/bad for us.
Eh, you misinterpret me, friend. Nice misrepresenting me too.

Yo, the cause confusion bit was regarding you asking me to give you a nice, long list of my postulations between the roles and the alignments. To prove your theory of 'roles ≠ alignments'.

Mass-claim would generally be a good thing at the start because I thought Inffy knew what he was doing. Guess I was wrong? Happy now?

Also, has Enderfive claimed?
 

Aqua

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why would/should i claim
Because we want a better understanding of whether there is a significant connection between card and alignment.

Notty's card would suggest an anti town alignment just as inf's card would also suggest a 3p role,

You have been heavily defending notty. If your card flips something that would seem anti town it would be a safe bet to assume the theory is correct.
 

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You have been heavily defending notty. If your card flips something that would seem anti town it would be a safe bet to assume the theory is correct.
dude you're telling me that if my card belongs to a certain group of cards that i have been heavily defending, i'm basically confirmed as guilty

you see where i might have a problem with claiming anything?
 

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Eh, you misinterpret me, friend. Nice misrepresenting me too.

Yo, the cause confusion bit was regarding you asking me to give you a nice, long list of my postulations between the roles and the alignments. To prove your theory of 'roles ≠ alignments'.
Fair enough, I thought you said it about your opinion in general but if it's about just the cards then I guess I did misinterpret that bit.

Anyways so you said this:
I'm still in favour of a mass-claim, but seeing that its not going to happen, why bring it back up again?
So you clearly were in favour of a massclaim. But then now you say this:
Mass-claim would generally be a good thing at the start because I thought Inffy knew what he was doing. Guess I was wrong? Happy now?
You changed your mind? In the last 2 pages? What happened in the last 2 pages that changed your mind?

And honestly this seems like you putting words in his mouth
That was a real question though, not some mocking theoretical question. If we can infer the alignment of people via cards then why wouldn't we claim? Aqua says its because there is likely a third party that would gain advantage of a mass card claim. Then I asked him which card it could be and he said death, so I asked why our best course of action then wouldnt be to mass-claim and lynch death so death can't take advantage of the massclaim. My point being that if cards = alignment we could do that easely but since you can't infer the alignment of people from cards that isn't possible, the notion of cards = alignment is bad and thus his reason for voting me is flawed. That's how I see it anyways.

Notty's card would suggest an anti town alignment just as inf's card would also suggest a 3p role,
But you don't want to give us a list of cards that suggest Mafia alignments which hurts my feelings since if I were heavely invested in some card = alignment theory I would have all kind of concepts and ideas of which card would be Mafia/Third Party and I would most certainly provide the town with a clean cut list of my suspicions so the town can work with that. But I guess the inferring alignment only aplies to mine + 2 other 'bad' card roles, Infs dead role and nobody else. And don't you dare say 'Emperor shows town alignments!1!!!' because with only 3 'bad' cards and assuming 6 Mafia you'd have to argue any of the so called 'good' cards can be Mafia and thus 'good' cards don't infer alignment either since some of them are bad.
 

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You changed your mind? In the last 2 pages? What happened in the last 2 pages that changed your mind?
I didn't change my mind, friend.

I've been pretty neutral on mass-claims from the start, just that since Inffy was pushing it and I pretty much wanted to trust him I just pushed along with him. How'd you expect me to push for it now anyway when Inffy's dead? It wouldn't do too much good.

Its a weak reasoning, so keep those lynch votes coming.

Aqua, Unu (if he can vote), Weak, whoever else's reading, just put some votes on me. I'm prepared to reveal my role. Then we can move on.
 

Aqua

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But you don't want to give us a list of cards that suggest Mafia alignments which hurts my feelings since if I were heavely invested in some card = alignment theory I would have all kind of concepts and ideas of which card would be Mafia/Third Party and I would most certainly provide the town with a clean cut list of my suspicions so the town can work with that. But I guess the inferring alignment only aplies to mine + 2 other 'bad' card roles, Infs dead role and nobody else. And don't you dare say 'Emperor shows town alignments!1!!!' because with only 3 'bad' cards and assuming 6 Mafia you'd have to argue any of the so called 'good' cards can be Mafia and thus 'good' cards don't infer alignment either since some of them are bad.
the devil, death, wheel of fortune (synonymous with gambling could easily be seen as bad), and the moon I'd guess would be mafia the former 2 are most obvious but the latter two might not be we can't be 100% sure on those.

Idk why you assume 6 mafia that seems way too much I'd say 4 or 5 but eh I guess if every town role is a PR that could make sense.
there may be more 3p's we don't know. (also if there are two lovers it's quite possible one is mafia, as oog says there's usually a 50:50 on a night chat containing 1 mafia 1 townie).

Temperance is obviously the doctor in the game...

tbh with a lot of them their roles or alignment aren't obvious but with a few they really really are.

The tower is one of them.
 

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Idk why you assume 6 mafia that seems way too much I'd say 4 or 5 but eh I guess if every town role is a PR that could make sense.
there may be more 3p's we don't know. (also if there are two lovers it's quite possible one is mafia, as oog says there's usually a 50:50 on a night chat containing 1 mafia 1 townie).
We had 23 people, there might even be 7 Mafia. 4 is way too little and even 5 aswell because that would make for about only 1/5th being Mafia, while the starting number tends to be about 1/4th of the people(aka 6).
 

Aqua

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Also from BOI and also in terms of having a leader role on each side,

the empress could definitely be mafia IMO which is why I was susp of hip.

We also can't rule out a second mafia team made up of the weirder cards like the wheel of fortune and the tower I could easily see that being a thing.
 

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literally why? You've now come out claiming you're a bad card so if you're scared people are gonna vote you for it then being vague isn't helping things.

If however, you know there's a role that might have to target your card as a win condition or something similar you should let town know so we can help you???
 

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So you're telling me there are 3 'good' cards that are Mafia? That inhertly proves in itself card != alignment and that reason to lynch me is nonsense.
No, that is not what I said. I said that there are three that seem inherently evil, death, devil and the tower. Those are the obvious ones. Of course there are other ones and they will more then likely relate to mafia in some way by either causing chaos or dark meaning etc.

How is that reason to lynch you nonsense? You literally said yesterday that we should wait another day to lynch you so that we'd have proof or substantial evidence that cards = alignment, and guess what? We do have this evidence.
 
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