Tavern Arcana - Mafia Win
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Just a question, what makes you believe Erik that he is a townie again? Did you investigate him or is it gut feelings? Do you also consider the fact that Erik might just be mafia because of his counterclaim right after I posted?
I've looked back for a while, and I don't believe there was any reason to think either Jivvi's or Comp's roles were previously known, so it seems clear that both the mafia and 3rd parties can kill at night without knowing the role.
Ok, I'm not home yet but I'll chime in. I would be inclined to believe Erik over rune.
Mulb, my evidence for my role is hip and rune, who have both received my messages. Idk why comp didn't confirm as well but o well.
Also, just throwing this in here, but does no one else think that danni is suspicious? Three people defended notty; notty, the fool and danni. Coincidentally, danni hasn't claimed yet.
Mulb, my evidence for my role is hip and rune, who have both received my messages. Idk why comp didn't confirm as well but o well.
Also, just throwing this in here, but does no one else think that danni is suspicious? Three people defended notty; notty, the fool and danni. Coincidentally, danni hasn't claimed yet.
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
mislynch and lose
it means a situation where the town will inevitably lose in case they mislynch
for example: six living players, two are mafia, there are no saving roles
if a mislynch occurs in this situation, the town will inevitably lose, because the mafia nightkill can't be prevented, thus bringing the playercount down to four by the start of the next day, which ends the game, because the mafia has half the living players
If anything, the only reason why I look suspicious is not because of my actions; but voting for Choco with 11 other people because of gut feelings. imo, the only thing which stood out was that my gut feeling was off.
Now, Erik has handed you guys such an easy signal that he is mafia; and people are prepared to shoot themselves in the foot to get me lynched. His CC is obviously done to cause confusion. If he CC'd, why leave it later on to prove some fabricated lie when you could have stated it straight away in the CC and made towns lives easier to pick the odd one out. And the only reason why he's leaving it for later is to hopefully get me, an important PR lynched without any effort. The more time he is given, the more likely he will fabricate a lie to trick you guys into thinking I'm mafia. Dess, feel free to investigate me because you'll be sure I'm a townie but Mafia could come for me next and get you caught.
It seems like people want me to block Roob next (on mobile so it's not easy to check) so I will, but I need some sort of protection to stop a night kill occuring on me.
Go on Erik, let's see your lie. The only thing which could possibly back you up is Mul, who is a likely mafia and could have easily thought of a plan to target the role blocker if he outed himself, which in this case is me. I find it highly suspicious that Mul said she was blocked when I blocked nobody and in my head, it makes sense that Erik and Mul are mafia buddies.
Now, Erik has handed you guys such an easy signal that he is mafia; and people are prepared to shoot themselves in the foot to get me lynched. His CC is obviously done to cause confusion. If he CC'd, why leave it later on to prove some fabricated lie when you could have stated it straight away in the CC and made towns lives easier to pick the odd one out. And the only reason why he's leaving it for later is to hopefully get me, an important PR lynched without any effort. The more time he is given, the more likely he will fabricate a lie to trick you guys into thinking I'm mafia. Dess, feel free to investigate me because you'll be sure I'm a townie but Mafia could come for me next and get you caught.
It seems like people want me to block Roob next (on mobile so it's not easy to check) so I will, but I need some sort of protection to stop a night kill occuring on me.
Go on Erik, let's see your lie. The only thing which could possibly back you up is Mul, who is a likely mafia and could have easily thought of a plan to target the role blocker if he outed himself, which in this case is me. I find it highly suspicious that Mul said she was blocked when I blocked nobody and in my head, it makes sense that Erik and Mul are mafia buddies.
To whomever changed the forums to comic sans (I think?) and this pink-ish colour, I dislike you very much because looking at it for too long makes me want to puke. I was hoping it would be better on mobile (and it is a little) but basically I’m reading off my phone from the forums, and I’m typing a response on my laptop to later copy and paste to the forums so apologies in advance if I miss anything that people were looking for me to respond to.
1[sup]st[/sup] addressing my tarot card of temperance, I am a “backup” role. I the power of whatever the First town PR to die’s power was. AKA at the moment I am our Doctor. I also get to know the previous PR’s night actions (Choco has saved himself btw night 1). Everyone’s wondering why Roob didn’t die thought, and It’s because I protected him night 2. He was a confirmed rolecop in my eyes and the 0 deaths over the night period made me feel b l e s s e d. Now the big question is, why did I save Oog? Well the simplest reasons are that he seemed to have suspected notty and pushed for their lynch. Notty flipping mafia afterwards meant, to me, that they would try and target someone who started the Notty lynch which is why I tried to save him. Not targeting Roob was a big risk, but I had thought that mafia would shift away from Roob since their prior nightkill had failed. Not gonna lie, this is my first time playing doctor in like anything. I was more concerned about saving everyone then I was about saving one specific person.
As for whether this claim makes sense or not, go and look up temperances card meaning. It’s all about balance. I’m guessing with all the PR’s seemingly running amock, a death of a strong one (like Choco) would ruin the game, and I’m around to “balance” that out. Now, the one really funny thing was that HK was a “mayor” of sorts, so I thought I would get double votes but turns out that hip had gotten that instead of me and I’m guessing 2 people with double votes would be confusing and not very fair.
As for Rune, why would temperance ever role block? That doesn’t make sense to me from a tarot card point of view the same way that the moon being good doesn’t make sense. As for my “instant CC” after you claimed, I was typing out that entire long post and then seconds before I finished, you posted. If I was seconds quicker, then my post would’ve been before yours and that argument would be null and void. That’s why like right after I saw your post having been made right before mine, I typed up the whole response of how you’re lying and I’m actually temperance. Also never said Fog could clear me, just said I’d share my role (which I now have) once Fog did since he was pressuring me into doing so. My reluctancy to claim though comes from the fact that our second doctor has now been outed basically. But hey we wanted a massclaim so what does it matter right? And at this point if Rune can convince people to lynch me off then we’re lynching our doctor a second time in the same game.
I’d really like a Rune lynch at this point just because of the fact that him lying about being temperance means that he should actually be the devil or (if Roob was bussed or something or wrong) death. As for Roob and Dess, still thinking it’s Roob (although I enjoy the gut feeling of support Dess <3) just because he’s helped us out and got lucky enough to be saved and then not targeted. We don’t really have a way of proving/disproving one or the other unless you guys investigate the same person we suspect to be mafia the next night and one of you lies about it (although the mafia player will probably just bus their partner) or if we just lynch one of you.
As for Mulb, idk the bussing idea seems weird and off. If anything, I say we lynch off Rune and then Roob and Dess both investigate Mulb and we go from there.
I really hope (although I doubt it) everyone understands that Rune lynch is our best bet and that I don’t have to come back on and read more of this nauseating text. (Also Happy Easter to everyone who celebrates !)
1[sup]st[/sup] addressing my tarot card of temperance, I am a “backup” role. I the power of whatever the First town PR to die’s power was. AKA at the moment I am our Doctor. I also get to know the previous PR’s night actions (Choco has saved himself btw night 1). Everyone’s wondering why Roob didn’t die thought, and It’s because I protected him night 2. He was a confirmed rolecop in my eyes and the 0 deaths over the night period made me feel b l e s s e d. Now the big question is, why did I save Oog? Well the simplest reasons are that he seemed to have suspected notty and pushed for their lynch. Notty flipping mafia afterwards meant, to me, that they would try and target someone who started the Notty lynch which is why I tried to save him. Not targeting Roob was a big risk, but I had thought that mafia would shift away from Roob since their prior nightkill had failed. Not gonna lie, this is my first time playing doctor in like anything. I was more concerned about saving everyone then I was about saving one specific person.
As for whether this claim makes sense or not, go and look up temperances card meaning. It’s all about balance. I’m guessing with all the PR’s seemingly running amock, a death of a strong one (like Choco) would ruin the game, and I’m around to “balance” that out. Now, the one really funny thing was that HK was a “mayor” of sorts, so I thought I would get double votes but turns out that hip had gotten that instead of me and I’m guessing 2 people with double votes would be confusing and not very fair.
As for Rune, why would temperance ever role block? That doesn’t make sense to me from a tarot card point of view the same way that the moon being good doesn’t make sense. As for my “instant CC” after you claimed, I was typing out that entire long post and then seconds before I finished, you posted. If I was seconds quicker, then my post would’ve been before yours and that argument would be null and void. That’s why like right after I saw your post having been made right before mine, I typed up the whole response of how you’re lying and I’m actually temperance. Also never said Fog could clear me, just said I’d share my role (which I now have) once Fog did since he was pressuring me into doing so. My reluctancy to claim though comes from the fact that our second doctor has now been outed basically. But hey we wanted a massclaim so what does it matter right? And at this point if Rune can convince people to lynch me off then we’re lynching our doctor a second time in the same game.
I’d really like a Rune lynch at this point just because of the fact that him lying about being temperance means that he should actually be the devil or (if Roob was bussed or something or wrong) death. As for Roob and Dess, still thinking it’s Roob (although I enjoy the gut feeling of support Dess <3) just because he’s helped us out and got lucky enough to be saved and then not targeted. We don’t really have a way of proving/disproving one or the other unless you guys investigate the same person we suspect to be mafia the next night and one of you lies about it (although the mafia player will probably just bus their partner) or if we just lynch one of you.
As for Mulb, idk the bussing idea seems weird and off. If anything, I say we lynch off Rune and then Roob and Dess both investigate Mulb and we go from there.
I really hope (although I doubt it) everyone understands that Rune lynch is our best bet and that I don’t have to come back on and read more of this nauseating text. (Also Happy Easter to everyone who celebrates !)
That's absolute bullshit, you didn't save Oog, you poisoned him. Fog just proved that you were the only one who visited him. Any action such as that which causes rot probably requires someone to visit. Now, secondly, it's extremely interesting that you want me lynched because you know the importance of my role, and taking me out now would be useful to you.
I'm also going to go back to what you said about Oog, you didn't prevent him from dying but in fact; you caused it. Because a) Sometimes the Doctor is able to heal players which are poisoned WHICH YOU WOULD HAVE STATED and b) it would have been reported that someone visited him before YOU did to poison him. This all points to the fact that you never protected Oog. Your role points to the poisoner, which VISITS people to poison. This is backed up by MULTIPLE mafia wiki's:
Everything points towards you not being a townie role but in fact, the poisoner which is blatantly ANTI-TOWN
Look, at this moment in time I am suspicious of BOTH Rune and Erik as Erik could have poisoned OR Rune could have a passive visiting ability. All I know is that we should lynch one of them today, and if we lynch the wrong one then kill off the other tomorrow?
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I do want to point out that a night visit may not be necessary for a day kill - given how the kills occured at different timings relative to dawn, it is likely that whoever executed the kill did so through a confirmation message in the day, without a night action. This is just a possibility and I don't want to rule out Rune or Erik as suspects for the kill.
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I am inclined to believe in Rune based on how he went ahead and assumed that Erik's Temperance was also a roleblocking role - an odd move if he were anti-town. Then again, he could have done that just to seem like a townie.
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I do think it is in our best interests to keep both Dess and Roob alive for the time-being; given the number of cards revealed and the fact that both of their abilities have been confirmed, lynching one of them is too big of a risk for us, unless we're willing to sacrifice an investigative role to bring an anti-town players down. If anything, it's going to be a choice between Rune and Erik, unless something else comes up.
All I can say is that it's not worth lynching me today when a blatant mafia has revealed themselves and is pretty much proven to be a poisoner. I don't think there are passive visiting abilities in Mafia for this case, as it wouldn't be fair to Trackers such as yourself which couldn't detect such actions. Usually, with a poisoner such as Erik, it's obvious that they visited someone through logs; and this is the disadvantage to poisoners as without their visiting being active, then they won't be detected at all. It would be dependent on a cop report only. Anyways, I think it correlates that Erik is the poisoner as a) his targets die and b) he has to VISIT someone to poison him. Oog was visited by Erik and lo and behold, he dies. Very very suspicious and the fact that Erik was the ONLY one who visited him, it's more probable that he is mafia than me having a passive visiting ability when I already have the roleblocking ability. It would be a combined cop/roleblocker which is far too OP.
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You have to realise that from our perspective, Fog's findings provide as much proof for Erik being a poisoner as you being a passive poisoner. The frequency of the deaths in the day could go both ways too - the fact that not all days had decay deaths could either suggest that erik was blocked, or that nobody visited you. That's the dilemma that we're facing right now.
Ah ok, makes a bit more sense. However, I don't think poisoner has ever been a passive ability. Here's what I found as the definition of an 'active role'
Yes I know I'm using a lot of the wiki's to make my point but a passive role is one which you cannot control. Such as last game, in which had a bomber. The bomber planted bombs on many of the townies but he doesn't decide to set it off, it was only set off if he was killed. That's a passive role. His active role was that he was able to visit players and plant a bomb on them. And in this game, the lovers' passive role is that the other dies when their counterpart dies. It's uncontrollable.
Now, with a roleblocker; it's a weird situation. Because he blocks night actions from being performed, technically he is counted as being active but he doesn't visit a player. Instead, typically, the roleblocker only stops things the target tries to actively perform, such as the Mafioso performing a night kill. Passive abilities, such as a Bulletproof player's kill immunity or a bombers bomb getting set off, are not affected. More simply, if the player has to submit an action to the host, a Roleblocker can block it.
The explanation that some days might not have a death is two things:
a) Erik may have decided to not visit a player on Night 1.
b) Some sort of delay is being applied
I'm more inclined to believe in the latter. In fact, If we look at the photo with the highlights, Day 1 is completely missed as you mention; but it seems pretty standard that someone dies once a day ignoring day 0 and 1. On Day 0, nobody usually dies as there usually isn't a night 0; apart from confirming. So it makes sense that Erik may not have visited a player on Night 1 but visited someone on night 2 and 3, to result in a death on both day 2 and 3. This explains why not all days resulted in a decay death, but now it's a constant rate of one player per day due to Erik visiting players. I suspect if anything, if Erik is allowed to live; then someone will die from a decay death tomorrow due to the death being passive and unblockable unless there is a Poison Doctor which no one has claimed. Now why would Erik not have visited someone on Night 1, I'm not too sure. It could be that he didn't reach the deadline or maybe he thought that delaying it by a day would put less suspicion on him and decrease the chance for Foggy to detect him. Unfortunately, he did for Oog which is why he is caught like a deer in the headlights.
tl;dr: There CANNOT be a PASSIVE poisoner, since he is SUBMITTING to the host to visit a player and to poison them. The only part which can be passive is when the poisoned player dies. Erik didn't poison someone on Night 1 but did on Nights 2 and 3, resulting in a death Do you see what I mean?
Danni122112
The Drunk
My theory could easily hold up, with a mafia cop role, which might be just what dess is, for an example.
However there are like 3 people it matters for so no point in discussing it further.
I really don’t know who to lynch, I am really interested in reports tomorrow
Dess i tried to find it but apparently I’m useless, would you mind giving your claim again?
However there are like 3 people it matters for so no point in discussing it further.
I really don’t know who to lynch, I am really interested in reports tomorrow
Dess i tried to find it but apparently I’m useless, would you mind giving your claim again?