Tavern Arcana - Mafia Win

[Enderfive]

Is there any way I can convince you folks to vote for ender?

you have my vote!

 

[Enderfive]

I understand if you don’t care enough to write it, but would you be ok with reading the plan when I write it, and point out any glaring flaws?

sure

imo the plan should be what i already outlined as the most probable scenario: i get lynched and whoever remains of dess/twg by day 7 gets to decide

 

[Enderfive]

but if you think something else should happen, i'm ready to hear you out

 

[Iggish]

vote ender

 

[Enderfive]

unvote

vote Enderfive

if no one else wants to join, i'll still help you guys lynch iggish, so don't worry about that

 

[Danni122112]

Also Iggish how can I not be Cop? We are a cop short, and I’m the only one claiming. I am baffled that mafia haven’t tried to CC my claim, and that you, if you were actually an villager, did not try to find an actual mafia member, but instead tried to argue against the only claim for the Cop, which we know we have.

This leaves me with two possibilities:

You are mafia and fucked up.


You are villager and just argued against me because I was voting you, even though even a few of your own points even go towards me being cop.
But okay, maybe you are just bad at the game.
That would leave mafia very happy, as they could now jump the iggish bandawagon, and get a free lynch. They don’t even have to worry about me being the cop, as we are lynching a townie without their help.
This would however be a bit weird, as none of them started to try to frame you, that was me and Ender, and you have previously stated that you trust ender, and I am also close to confirmed.

I find the first option, simpler, and much more likely than the second option.

 

[Danni122112]

unvote

vote Enderfive

if no one else wants to join, i'll still help you guys lynch iggish, so don't worry about that

A completely understandable choice, as you would prefer to be lynched sooner rather than later.

However, anyone else that votes for ender, will in my eyes be mafia.

 

[Danni122112]

Our current status is waiting for what dess has to say.

I will be reading through Enders plan, and rewriting it while waiting for dess.

 

[Danni122112]

Dess When are you back again, just wondering.

 

[Iggish]

A completely understandable choice, as you would prefer to be lynched sooner rather than later.

However, anyone else that votes for ender, will in my eyes be mafia.

But didn't you say earlier that you would be willing to vote ender?

 

[Iggish]

Also Iggish how can I not be Cop? We are a cop short, and I’m the only one claiming. I am baffled that mafia haven’t tried to CC my claim, and that you, if you were actually an villager, did not try to find an actual mafia member, but instead tried to argue against the only claim for the Cop, which we know we have.

This leaves me with two possibilities:

You are mafia and fucked up.


You are villager and just argued against me because I was voting you, even though even a few of your own points even go towards me being cop.
But okay, maybe you are just bad at the game.
That would leave mafia very happy, as they could now jump the iggish bandawagon, and get a free lynch. They don’t even have to worry about me being the cop, as we are lynching a townie without their help.
This would however be a bit weird, as none of them started to try to frame you, that was me and Ender, and you have previously stated that you trust ender, and I am also close to confirmed.

I find the first option, simpler, and much more likely than the second option.

Would you not give me the benefit of the doubt.
I'm not bad at the game. I just got confused and made weird points. I have said why I think you are suspicious and so it is hard for me to town-read you.

 

[Dess]

Dess When are you back again, just wondering.

Now I am!

I'm going to be working on a post for later but it's going to require reading 100 fucking pages so end me now... Anyway I think that out of everybody Iggish is absolutely the most suspicious person

 

[Danni122112]

But didn't you say earlier that you would be willing to vote ender?

Aii, but voting ender now, gives him a free pass out of the game, and would give him less reason to actually fuck the mafia.

Telling him to chose someone to lynch today, and if he is correct, we will give him the win, gives him an incentive to help us.

That is why we lynch ender tomorrow and not today.

I'm not quite sure why you care, as he would probably kill you on his way out either way

 

[Dess]

Also I think that lynching Ender today is a horrible move. Because IF in the off chance we have 2 mafia remaining he can easily decide to kill myself or Danni, and then mafia can kill either of the remaining town. This will leave us with only 1 maybe 2 town remaining thus we lose.

 

[Danni122112]

Would you not give me the benefit of the doubt.
I'm not bad at the game. I just got confused and made weird points. I have said why I think you are suspicious and so it is hard for me to town-read you.

Can't give every person in a game the benefit of the doubt, it's what I did with notty, and I wanted one day to check her, now that is being used against me.

I am asking you again, who is our cop if not me?

We have a cop, who is it, if not me?

 

[Iggish]

Aii, but voting ender now, gives him a free pass out of the game, and would give him less reason to actually fuck the mafia.

But he doesn't know who the mafia is. Idk how he can "fuck the mafia". As for the free pass, I see nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned.

Telling him to chose someone to lynch today, and if he is correct, we will give him the win, gives him an incentive to help us.

But what incentive us that. He has said that he's not paying a lot of attention to the game and he hasn't been actively scumhunting or going after me. He just said I was the most suspicious and you weirdly took that as validation to go for me. "Oh hey look! Other people find him scummy too, so I should be safe when I go after him"

I'm not quite sure why you care, as he would probably kill you on his way out either way

Wouldn't you prefer that though? Arguably it would be a win-win situation for you.

 

[Enderfive]

unvote

vote Iggish

 

[Iggish]

I am asking you again, who is our cop if not me?

We have a cop, who is it, if not me?

You might well be the cop but I find it hard to believe for the reasons I have said countless times before.
1. You defended a confirmed mafia.
2. A confirmed mafia defended you.
3. You coincidentally cleared the person I was most suspicious of.

You probably are the cop, but you have done stuff that makes the claim feel weird, like there might be some shady shit behind the scenes that we don't know of.

Can't give every person in a game the benefit of the doubt, it's what I did with notty, and I wanted one day to check her, now that is being used against me.

No, in my opinion, you were defending notty, not just giving her the benefit of the doubt. I gave Notty the benefit of the doubt, but what I was dong was very different from what you were doing. You were defending her.

Regardless, I don't see why that should be an issue in terms of giving me the benefit of the doubt.
I haven't done anything scummy prior to the last 5 hours that you can competently point out, I was one of the first to claim, I have a confirmed night ability that has been backed up by four different people are I have been scumhunting this game.
I have not been randomly changing my opinion and it seems to me that you and TWG and manipulating my words and are trying to get me lynched.
You said that you wanted to convince people that I am scummy, but with what fucking ammunition? "Dur, Iggish has been suspicious of me for the last day and even though his suspicions are warranted and have remained constant, I'll say that he's just been attacking me with no good reason, when in fact that is what I myself am doing".
You use bolded statements and rhetoric to try and make me appear scummy. You appeared intent on "trying to convince other people to vote for me" and paired with your aggressiveness this game "If you vote for blah, you're mafia etc.", if you try and belittle my arguments against you i swear I will go apocalyptic.

You say you have been suspicious of me all game. Bullshit. Quote your suspicions. You are just trying to quantify lynching a townie based on jackshit. You have somehow survived to this late stage of the game while dropping hints that while might not have been overly obvious, would've easily been picked up on by a competent mafia team. This is very suspicious. The person who you have cleared has a scummy card and them being innocent does not fit the narrative of this game. This game we have confirmed that scummy cards = alignment. The Hermit. The Devil. Death. The Tower.

This is really pissing me off and the closed-mindedness of some other players in regards to suspicions is astounding. You do not give valid reasons, just say I am scummy. You haven't even tried probing unu and myuser name for some reason. It's ludicrous.

We are very likely in a mylo situation, so I don't know why you guys are willing to risk losing the entire game by lynching me on god knows what reasons. By lynching Ender we get him out of the way and prevent a mislynch today. Hopefully, we will have a bit more information tomorrow regarding lynch options but the readiness of some of you people to lynch me when we are in such a delicate situation, without probing the other targets, without giving good reasons, without even going back to check my relationships with the deceased mafia, is just stupid and negligent.

 

[Iggish]

Anyway I think that out of everybody Iggish is absolutely the most suspicious person

Why.

 

[Iggish]

unvote

vote Iggish

You didn't even give that two hours. Only myself, Danni and Dessern responded in that time and Dessern probably isn't up to date enough to properly give an opinion on this situation let alone to decide who to vote right now. Correct me if I'm wrong Dess but from what you said, I interpreted that you have not caught up fully. That is just me though.

 

[Danni122112]

But he doesn't know who the mafia is. Idk how he can "fuck the mafia". As for the free pass, I see nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned.

He is a good mafia player, his read is a good one for who to lynch, and by making this a "get it right or lose" situation for ender, he will put in at least a bit of effort. That is how he can fuck the mafia.

But what incentive us that. He has said that he's not paying a lot of attention to the game and he hasn't been actively scumhunting or going after me. He just said I was the most suspicious and you weirdly took that as validation to go for me. "Oh hey look! Other people find him scummy too, so I should be safe when I go after him"

He seems to have paid some attention, I dont get the impression that he has paid too little to give a solid opinion.

Well yeah, someone else that thinks someone is mafia, with the same view as me, helps validate it.

Wouldn't you prefer that though? Arguably it would be a win-win situation for you.

no, if ender is wrong he can get fuckd and lose.

 

[Danni122112]

You might well be the cop but I find it hard to believe for the reasons I have said countless times before.
1. You defended a confirmed mafia.
2. A confirmed mafia defended you.
3. You coincidentally cleared the person I was most suspicious of.

You probably are the cop, but you have done stuff that makes the claim feel weird, like there might be some shady shit behind the scenes that we don't know of.


No, in my opinion, you were defending notty, not just giving her the benefit of the doubt. I gave Notty the benefit of the doubt, but what I was dong was very different from what you were doing. You were defending her.

Regardless, I don't see why that should be an issue in terms of giving me the benefit of the doubt.
I haven't done anything scummy prior to the last 5 hours that you can competently point out, I was one of the first to claim, I have a confirmed night ability that has been backed up by four different people are I have been scumhunting this game.
I have not been randomly changing my opinion and it seems to me that you and TWG and manipulating my words and are trying to get me lynched.
You said that you wanted to convince people that I am scummy, but with what fucking ammunition? "Dur, Iggish has been suspicious of me for the last day and even though his suspicions are warranted and have remained constant, I'll say that he's just been attacking me with no good reason, when in fact that is what I myself am doing".
You use bolded statements and rhetoric to try and make me appear scummy. You appeared intent on "trying to convince other people to vote for me" and paired with your aggressiveness this game "If you vote for blah, you're mafia etc.", if you try and belittle my arguments against you i swear I will go apocalyptic.

You say you have been suspicious of me all game. Bullshit. Quote your suspicions. You are just trying to quantify lynching a townie based on jackshit. You have somehow survived to this late stage of the game while dropping hints that while might not have been overly obvious, would've easily been picked up on by a competent mafia team. This is very suspicious. The person who you have cleared has a scummy card and them being innocent does not fit the narrative of this game. This game we have confirmed that scummy cards = alignment. The Hermit. The Devil. Death. The Tower.

This is really pissing me off and the closed-mindedness of some other players in regards to suspicions is astounding. You do not give valid reasons, just say I am scummy. You haven't even tried probing unu and myuser name for some reason. It's ludicrous.

We are very likely in a mylo situation, so I don't know why you guys are willing to risk losing the entire game by lynching me on god knows what reasons. By lynching Ender we get him out of the way and prevent a mislynch today. Hopefully, we will have a bit more information tomorrow regarding lynch options but the readiness of some of you people to lynch me when we are in such a delicate situation, without probing the other targets, without giving good reasons, without even going back to check my relationships with the deceased mafia, is just stupid and negligent.

I'm reading this and will quote it properly.

You are however failing to give us a suggestion for mafia members, except me, and you you wont convince people that I'm mafia. I am the Cop.

 

[Danni122112]

No, in my opinion, you were defending notty, not just giving her the benefit of the doubt. I gave Notty the benefit of the doubt, but what I was dong was very different from what you were doing. You were defending her.

This is wrong, and you are wrong.

I provided, plausibilities, for how notty could be a townie. I provided scenarios where she could be a townie. I provided reasons for her being town. However, I also provided, and supported other scenarious. This is not defending, its being neutral. I did not defend her allignment, I simply wanted to be sure, since I wasnt sure the day before, I got a third party allignment on inffy, and just found it a bit weird that 3rd party and mafia were against each other. We also had no solid info about tarrot cards being 100% related to their tarrot card. Yes notty was scum. I thought it was like 60-70% chance she was scum, but I like to not jump the gun on someone claiming a PR.

Regardless, I don't see why that should be an issue in terms of giving me the benefit of the doubt.
I haven't done anything scummy prior to the last 5 hours that you can competently point out, I was one of the first to claim, I have a confirmed night ability that has been backed up by four different people are I have been scumhunting this game.
I have not been randomly changing my opinion and it seems to me that you and TWG and manipulating my words and are trying to get me lynched.
You said that you wanted to convince people that I am scummy, but with what fucking ammunition? "Dur, Iggish has been suspicious of me for the last day and even though his suspicions are warranted and have remained constant, I'll say that he's just been attacking me with no good reason, when in fact that is what I myself am doing".
You use bolded statements and rhetoric to try and make me appear scummy. You appeared intent on "trying to convince other people to vote for me" and paired with your aggressiveness this game "If you vote for blah, you're mafia etc.", if you try and belittle my arguments against you i swear I will go apocalyptic.

The people seem convinced, and ender supports it, I trust ender. V I B E S
I really cant be bothered to dig up more info on why you are scum.

However, you are missing a large part about this. My other options are Unu and MYusername. I do not have any better arguments for those. That leaves me with you? What other option is there? Don't say Ender. Don't try to paint me black. Unu and myusername are my other options, for myusername its between you and unu, for unu its between you and mysername. There is a reason you are being lynched now, and not three days ago. You have not been extremely supicious in the past, but close to everytihng you have typed today, has been.

You say you have been suspicious of me all game. Bullshit. Quote your suspicions. You are just trying to quantify lynching a townie based on jackshit. You have somehow survived to this late stage of the game while dropping hints that while might not have been overly obvious, would've easily been picked up on by a competent mafia team. This is very suspicious. The person who you have cleared has a scummy card and them being innocent does not fit the narrative of this game. This game we have confirmed that scummy cards = alignment. The Hermit. The Devil. Death. The Tower.

This is really pissing me off and the closed-mindedness of some other players in regards to suspicions is astounding. You do not give valid reasons, just say I am scummy. You haven't even tried probing unu and myuser name for some reason. It's ludicrous.

mostly see above. If you were the most supicious, you would be dead already, but UNU has two options, Myusername has two, I have three. Dess has three. TWG has three, Ender has three. Out of the three options we have, or in some cases, two, you are the most suspicous.

The card allignment is very interesting.
The hermi was not a mafia card, by the way.
Devil and Death are obvs scum cards. Tower could be argued, but was also mostly scummy.
However, The magician was stated pretty early as being a possibly scum card, so what did I do? I checked. Dess is townie.
The moon was my main suspcioun card after that, however I checked, he is town.
You can argue all you want, all day, but Dess and TWG I got town reads on.

 

[Danni122112]

We are very likely in a mylo situation, so I don't know why you guys are willing to risk losing the entire game by lynching me on god knows what reasons. By lynching Ender we get him out of the way and prevent a mislynch today. Hopefully, we will have a bit more information tomorrow regarding lynch options but the readiness of some of you people to lynch me when we are in such a delicate situation, without probing the other targets, without giving good reasons, without even going back to check my relationships with the deceased mafia, is just stupid and negligent.

I have responded to this like, three times, so far today? I am not gonna bother typing it out again.

 

[Danni122112]

If anyone, actually wants to take iggish side, please just tell me and quote your issues.

I do not want to spend my time replying to more of what iggish types, I do not see a reason to at this point.

I am waiting on dess's post, and want us to plan this out before hammering iggish.