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Mooglie
The Local Cow
o i thought you were talking about me just letting twg go for fun and going after you since lols
and sorry for following my reads and not following the opinion of someone im 100% certain of is mafia!
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
"I can't debunk their valid arguments so instead I'm gonna attack their reasons for saying them"
You really don't care about facts/logic do you. And this coming from the one who was arguing together with me during republic that we shouldn't lynch a Rev claim(which you didn't do just because you were Mafia with me but because you thought it was logical) this is pretty disappointing and only solidifies that you're disregarding logic because you want me dead.
yeah wasting what is possibly a one shot vigilante on an anti-town (from their perspective since clearly if a "real" vigilante exists I would be anti-town) isn't a waste at all is it
Since when is a vigilante killing a cc a waste what drugs are you on. Especially because town has no reason to lynch me other than to save Omni from death. If they wanted that they could just ask me not to kill Omni but alas nobody has argued for his life including you instead you want to lynch your town vigilante.
'conveniently ignoring' I literally answered this and you ignored my argument by saying killing me with RID/TID would be a waste which is not only stupid because of see above but also because a RID/TID vigilante not only is unable to kill me but unable to kill anyone in this game besides Duffie unless people claim their names/traits which nobody will do incase of a SK.
Actually why don't you claim your trait since you seem so sure I'm the towns SK/anarchist theres no way there is another SK who can kill by traits you should be safe right?
"how convenient your town read has changed to a vote on me because I completely changed my behaviour and started acting irrationally and unreasonable and am disregarding all facts and logic you throw at me and also because I'm going out of my way to save Omnis life". Weird reasons to change my town read instead since when is a change in someones behaviour or a post osmeone makes not reason enough to change reads mr "I want to get reads from peoples lynch on Aqua" which are literally gotten by their posts. Are you arguing against people getting different/new reads from posts now? Don't bother answering this because instead of refuting it you'll just say 'You don't believe this' but thats the fun thing about facts Inf they're true regardless if you believe them and regardless if you believe I don't believe them.
So glad you asked it's right here conveniently grouped together.
1) I am unCC'd. (#Fact)
1.1) "But a 'real' vigilante wouldn't CC you if they thought you were gonna be lynched!!!!!!!!!!" -> True if I were actually being lynched but I'm not being lynched I have a single vote from Inf (#Fact)
1.2) "We don't know there is a 'real' vigilante!!!" -> Most games have a vigilante in them and assuming we don't have one now is betting on an unlikely scenario. (#Fact you can check the very bottom of my post where I prove that most games have them)
A 'real' vigilante would either CC to prove I'm lying and actually get more votes on me, or kill me during the night since I am their CC. You can argue a 'real' vigilante wouldn't do this but not CCing someone who claims your role and leaving them alive is game throwing BTW. (#Fact)
2) Leaving me alive poses no extra threat if I were the arsonist as you so claim I am. (#Fact)
2.1) That's because if I were infact third party the "real" vigilante would kill me during the night for being their CC and thus I would die. (#Fact)
2.2) I won't be able to kill anyone besides the person I've doused last night. I could douse someone else sure but then nobody would die and you could lynch me tomorrow. (#Fact)
2.2.1) "We don't know that you actually doused omni!1!1!1!" -> You're right good job but I did and you can choose not to believe that if you want.
Lynching your unCC'd town vigilante is stupid, lynching your unCC'd town vigilante who you think is an arsonist that bodes 0 extra threat to keep alive an extra night so they can try and prove themselves is beyond idiotic sorry to say, especially when said 'arsonist' claims to want to kill Omni tonight.
First of all you literally claim you lynched Aqua because you thought it was weird for a setup to have both 'your role' and his role and now tell me assuming a setup because of how most previous setups haven't had such mechanics is a ridiculous request that I would never ask of if I was town. So you're saying you did something ridiculous that you would never do if you were town? Thats not suspicious at all great argument as usual Inf. Assuming a game has a certain layout of setup based on how most of the games are set is perfectly reasonable, I don't see you going into every game saying 'maybe there are two Mafia teams!!!!!!' or 'maybe town has no cop', which is because the layout of most games is how most games of Mafia are played and completely disregarding something likely because 'we don't know that thats true THIS game' is stupid.
You seem to disregard that most setups infact DO have a vigilante or some other form of a town-kill and even though I provided you every single game you yourself have hosted seems to not satisfy you and you throw it at a 'half of the games' so here is almost every Mafia game we have ever played on the forums and if they had a vigilante in the form of a town-kill. I got these links from when I was playing Foggy's game and looked at the roles of previous games, some games are missing such as very early games from Alpha and some inbetween because not every game posts a role-setup at the end which hurts my feelings honestly. But if you think I've been only selecting the ones that prove my point you're free to check the early games and see that most of them probably do aswell. Even the first game had a hunter role.
Games with a vigilante in the form of a town-kill:
http://escaperestart.com/forum/thre...ade-ball-game-over.15624/page-111#post-298082 (special case this had the voltari court of group-vigilante kill which could be infiltrated)
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/the-doomed-cruise-game-over-and-out.13533/page-55#post-246993
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/tbd-status-game-over.17604/page-116#post-351628
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/mafia-season-7-signups.12501/
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/medieval-mafia-intrusion-sign-ups-and-info-thread.14131/
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/supernatural-hotel-finished.15109/page-60#post-286820 (Note: raxo vigilante murdered me n2 the rude person)
http://escaperestart.com/forum/thre...vs-cowboys-finished.15917/page-86#post-316235
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/scp-secure-contain-mafia-game-over.17023/page-114#post-337742
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/nightswood-infiltration-replacements.18811/
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/Русская-мафия-writeup.19348/
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/lets-not-explode-sign-up.19407/ (Note: the kill is unavailable untill a certain condition is met)
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/revival-of-mafia-dire-streets-sign-up.20091/
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/market-crash-game-over.20157/page-22#post-387877
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/zambie-mafia-day-4-game-over-town-victory.20238/ (Note: can kill visitors during night)
http://escaperestart.com/forum/thre...3-13-alive-town-win.20592/page-35#post-394675 (Note: this was c9++ and even in rng there was a vigilante)
http://escaperestart.com/forum/thre...game-over-town-wins.20453/page-30#post-392955
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/reserves-needed-the-red-scare-signups.20658/
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/lost-in-fog-application-thread.20686/
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/zuplar-invasion-game-over-town-win.20719/page-35#post-399287
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/general-quarters-game-over.20766/page-27#post-400679
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/signups-waning-sunset.20837/
http://escaperestart.com/forum/thre...etting-to-post-2000.20876/page-68#post-403763 (Note: pretty unlikely this town-kill was ever gonna happen since it takes 2 days and requires another role to be dead first)
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/capitalism-mafia.20920/page-74#post-406670
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/the-bastard-game-day-5.20963/page-93#post-409466
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/tavern-arcana-mafia-win.21000/page-112#post-412576
http://escaperestart.com/forum/thre...n-win-socktopia-ltd.21023/page-66#post-414422
Games without:
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/mafia-lite-v1-sign-ups.8346/ (Note that this is a 10-player game)
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/mafia-lite-2.9776/ (Note that this is a 9-player game also mafia-lite)
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/mafia-lite-4.14088/ (Note that this is a 10-player game also also mafia-lite)
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/reserves-trust-no-one.17454/ (Note that this is an 8-player game also also mafia-lite)
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/anvil-base-game-over.18307/page-35#post-358348
Result: 26/31 games also known as 83% have a vigilante in the form of a town-kill (most actual vigilantes and a few hunters). Tell me again how it is likely this game doesn't have one either? 5 of the games here don't have a vigilante-ish role and for 4/5 of them its because they were 8-10 player games. Are you happy with these facts.
Infected_alien8_
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more like "I don't believe what you're saying so I'm saying that"
I don't have to 'debunk' everything you say or I'm scum, sometimes what you say will be a 'valid' argument, that doesn't mean I have to believe you genuinely think that, which I don't
but nice attempt at discrediting me
not if you're going to die anyway? why would I waste a 1 shot vig on you if you're gonna be lynched anyway, that doesn't make sense
you know this answer to this
if a vigilante cc's you now, even though there's a decent chance you're gonna be lynched anyway since a lot of people doubt your claim, they're just letting themselves known to the mafia
it's like putting up a big 'hey, roleblock me mafia, or kill me so I can't kill you!' sign on their head just so they can ensure your lynch when you're most likely gonna be lynched anyway
what are you even argueing against, I think you've misread my post again
I didn't say they won't kill you if they're RID/TID since it's a waste, I meant they'd not kill you because they can't, which is something you keep ignoring by insisting that 'if a real vigilante exists they'll kill me tonight'
why is there 'no way' there's another anti town who can kill me via knowing my trait? and what does claiming my trait even do?
oh sorry I forgot that it's a 'fact' that you're telling the truth, my bad
quote where I act 'irrationally and unreasonable and am disregarding all facts and logic you throw at me', quote it and explain where I do that
or don't bother since you know I'll refute it and nobody is going to believe you
yes, it's possible you changed your town read because you changed your read - that doesn't make it a 'fact', nor does it make me have to believe it, because I don't believe it. saying 'ah yes but I could have done this so the fact you 'don't believe it' means you're ignoring facts' makes 0 sense and you know it
but nice strawman attempt!
1.1) you should probably check your facts because that isn't a fact, and plenty of people have voiced suspicion against you
1.2) it's possible we do have a real one but they're a RID/TID, or they don't want to cc you, so this doesn't matter
wrong, you've admitted yourself it's possible they're not ccing you even if they exist, or they have a RID/TID power and so can't kill you during the night, but you're ignoring those possibilities now aren't you, wonder why
2) agree, that's why I don't mind letting you live, like I've said several times, and why my vote is on TWG rather than on you - although it's possible omni is town and leaving you alive will harm town but I'm not gonna get into that since I don't have a strong belief in omni's alignment
2.1) not a #fact, you've literally already said this which refutes this '#fact':
but you're ignoring this again, but that isn't because you're pushing an agenda here or distorting the truth or anything, you're a pure townie with the best interests of town and truth at your heart!
2.2) agree, so?
2.2.1) I believe it
why are you acting as though omni is proven mafia?
and I've said several times I'm down for lynching TWG but will go on you if that doesn't happen because I believe you're anti town and there's no better choices than you
screaming that 'I'm harmless until later!' is irelevant because the '#fact' is that I believe you're third party, I believe TWG is mafia, those are my two reads, so those are my two choices, so even if TWG is a bigger threat, if he's not gonna get lynched then I'll support yours
wrong, I suspected aqua because the role he claimed made the setup seem unbalanced, not because the role he claimed was out of the 'norm' for what roles most setups have - all setups strive to be balanced
maybe you should look in a mirror and wonder why some of us are favouring the idea that you're anti town rather than a vigilante
I don't care if most setups have a vigilante, you're suspicious, so even if you claim vigilante I'm not giving you the benefit of the doubt, because
1) as I've already made clear, it's possible the real vig isn't ccing you
2) as I've already made clear, I think you're lying
letting someone I find incredibly suspicious live just because 'most setups have this role even though I'm not even confirmed to be it' is what I'd call stupid
I've said this before, I'll say it again - I don't care.
83% of games have a vigilante, cool, so 17% don't, and your behaviour makes me put that % to a good 90% because there's no way I'm going to believe you're a town vigilante after the posts you've been making, ignoring your own statements at convenient times, acting as though what you say is fact, dismissing my posts by strawmanning my arguments, none of these things are what notty does as town, so why should I throw away all of that just because there's a 83% chance there's a vigilante in this setup - even when it's entirely possible there is in this one but it's not you
here's another fun statistic, 0% of previous games have had the role aqua had in this setup
and another one, 0% have had traits/powers
and another, 0% have had a vigilante who works as an arsonist and has to prime targets first and then ignite them
isn't making up statistics to bolster my argument so fun!
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
you know what notty's illogical rantings are getting tiring and I don't really want to have to put up with them for another day
unvote
vote Notty
if anyone's willing to join me in voting TWG instead let me know, otherwise I guess I'll stay here
unvote
vote Notty
if anyone's willing to join me in voting TWG instead let me know, otherwise I guess I'll stay here
tbh i kinda think inf is town at this point but its a kinda small feelings so whatever. but tbh, like inf, i dont not mind voting either notty or twg (although id prefer notty because im positive they are anti town whereas i have a slightly doubt with twg)
Shadow_Hunter3
Shadow_Hunter3
agree with hip here, pretty certain inf is town. And slightly sus about notty and twg.
Infected_Alien8_ - 4 (Duffie, Mooglie, Nottykitten, Omni) (Sacrifice in 6)
Nottykitten - 2 (hipmeow, Infected_Alien8) (Sacrifice in 8)
Danni122112 - 1 (Matty) (Sacrifice in 9)
Rune - 1 (Unusual_Dood) (Sacrifice in 9)
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
Generally when you ignore logic and say 'BUT I THINK THIS INSTEAD' it's something I can point out yes
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Decent chance ok mr theres a single vote on me. + people seem to want to lynch you. If you think people shouldn't call out their CC's fine with me go ahead and think that.
Your stupid argument of the vig not being able to kill me since they have RID/TID you literally say it right here and I already said they they cant kill ANYBODY this game besides duffie so for one if they could kill me it wouldnt be a waste and two they would CC me.
So you think that not only I am a arsonist but also there is another SK who kills via knowing your trait?
Literally every single post that I've had to argue against I could quote it but I'd have to seperate it into 10 different pages because of how many useless back and forts we've had. Your entire wanting to lynch an unCC'd vigilante is irrational and unreasonable.
Refute what there is nothing to refute you're being irrational.
Why are you pretending I'm parading it around as a fact. I'm parading it around as my opinion and I have to keep mentioning it because you keep saying 'BUT YOU DONT BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE YOURE JUST DOING IT SINCE YOURE PANICKING XDXDXDXD YOU DIDNT CHANGE YOUR OPINION BECAUSE OF READS LIKE HOW PEOPLE USUALLY CHANGE OPINIONS BUT BECAUSE IM ONTO YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' like honestly nice strawman attempt yourself.
Youre slightly right since it's Hips vote and not yours. Still it's only a singular vote and you pretend as if I'm practically lynched already. "it's possible our vigilante is an idiot" great argument Inf as usual. Again your logic for a vigilante not CCing me I've refuted about 50 times but you keep repeating it as if them not CCing me is because im practically lynched.
Yes if I were a few votes away from being lynched but I am not, did you not read what I said or are you purposefully ignoring it. I haven't ignored it I've answered this TWICE and now a third time this post but you're ignoring my arguments, wonder why
Yes youre right if Omni is town it would be tragic but since you don't read him town like you say here then leaving me alive would be beneficial like you say yet you continue to push for me. And yes it's a #fact because like I said a vigilante WOULD CC me since I only have a single vote. Now two but still.
Why are you acting as though the possibility of Omni being Mafia is irrelevant. Great you will lynch your town vigilante if your Weak bandwagon doesn't gain traction I know I've read this statement like 10 times. It's not irrelevant because your argument for lynching me is that you believe I'm third party but if I'm harmless whats the harm in waiting and letting me kill Omni while you lynch an actual Mafia instead like you literally say here about Weak.
Thats literally what I said you claim having both of you in the setup would be unbalanced, which would be out of the 'norm' for what most setups look like.
Theyre favouring the idea because I have prime/ignite and my name is different and appearently me having to argue with you about how you don't believe anything I say paints me in a suspicious light if people think that so be it. I don't think you believe any of that and are just lynching me to save Omni and/or yourself.
'I don't care if most setup have a vigilante' you litterally kept using the argument of WE DONT EVEN KNOW IF THIS SETUP HAS A VIGILANTE VIGILANTES ARENT COMMON XD. You clearly care since you were using your fake news as an argument to discredit me which I've now disproven with statistics.
1) And I've already made it clear thats stupid and potentially gamethrowing
2) Do you really think that since it sounds to me like you're just ignoring my valid arguments and throwing around 'I don't believe yous' and 'I think you're lying' because your 'gut feeling' is the only reason you have for lynching me.
Letting someone you find suspicious live because they claim to be valuable is not stupid especially if they can prove their worth and there is 0 risk in letting them attempt to prove their worth. The only risk is Omni being town and you didn't particularly townread him so essentially what you're saying is that you want to not give a valuable town member a chance to prove themselves because you either want to lynch a valuable town member or you want Omni to not die.
Ive said this before, you do care since you were using it as an argument.
17% = 90% Inf logic. You don't even have to believe me I don't care if you believe me there is sound logic in leaving me alive and prove my worth with the only risk being Omni's death. 'Ignoring my own statements at convenient times' quote me go ahead this is you putting a fake narrative about my actions once again and its never true. I'm not acting as if everything I say is a fact im acting as if facts are facts and you keep ignoring them favoring your 'I think vigilantes would be stupid and not CC you'. You're dismissing everything I say and just pretend there is some evil narrative behind it, none of this is what Inf does as town. 83% chance is pretty likely and you want to lynch me on the 17% chance that I'm lying which is stupid, especially when a real vigilante would CC me.
Are these statistics supposed to mean something? You're literally making up random statistics to try and discredit a valid one.
100% of previous games have had a conflict between two factions.
You gonna discredit that one too with your 3 0% statistics? Just because you make up statistics about irrelevant things don't mean other statistics are irrelevant. 83% of games having a vigilante is very relevant because it describes what most games are like, much like most games being one faction vs another one and including Third Party people. This is genuinly the worst argument you've made so far good job, isn't making up bad arguments for the sake of discrediting my good ones fun?
I'm honestly so done arguing with you when you keep ignoring all valid arguments I give, painting fake narratives behind them, use manipulative tactics and top it off by implying a "real" vigilante would gamethrow by not CCing me.
10/10 would vote the unCC'd vigilante again
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
To anyone who wants to lynch me including Inf go ahead and make a nice pro/con table of keeping me alive tonight to kill Omni and you'll see the only reason to lynch me today would be to save Omni from death.
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
Hey Inf where is your scumhunting, you're just talking about Weak (who you think is Mafia) and me (who you think is the arsonist) but the Mafia team most likely consists of 4-6 people (except I'm not allowed to assume this because we're not allowed to assume likely things based on previous games), so who do you think they are?
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
Also anyone who wants to lynch me why do you think a "real" vigilante hasn't CC'd me yet and if that is because you think they want to keep to themselves (which I personally find stupid) why wouldn't this "real" vigilante just kill me tonight?
If I am truely the SK (arsonist) then in what world would a "real" vigilante not CC me and in what world would a "real" vigilante not kill me during the night? Inf says thats because killing me might be a waste but does anyone really believe vigkilling a SK (arsonist) is a waste?
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
Wanting to not be lynched is very much also something a town member should strive to do.
But if you don't want to make a pro/con list about keeping me alive a single night I'll do it for you.
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{tbody}
{tr}
{td}Pros{/td}
{td}Cons{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Omni dies and is Mafia{/td}
{td}Omni dies and is town{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
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It's that simple the only reason to lynch me today is if you don't want Omni to die. If I am anti-town the "real" vigilante would nightkill me aswell so where is the harm?
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