Generally when you ignore logic and say 'BUT I THINK THIS INSTEAD' it's something I can point out yes
sure, so point me to where I'm ignoring logic
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because you're probably going to get lynched so why waste a 1 shot on killing you when it's being done anyway, may as well go for someone else, and you know it
Decent chance ok mr theres a single vote on me. + people seem to want to lynch you. If you think people shouldn't call out their CC's fine with me go ahead and think that.
I've seen quite a few people suspect you ever since day 0 so the number of votes on you doesn't matter
if someone claims my role but is being doubted and most likely lynched then outing myself and getting myself killed isn't a good idea
Your stupid argument of the vig not being able to kill me since they have RID/TID you literally say it right here and I already said they they cant kill ANYBODY this game besides duffie so for one if they could kill me it wouldnt be a waste and two they would CC me.
how is that a stupid argument first of all
and yes, I'm agreeing with you that they can't kill anyone yet, so?
and killing you would be a waste if you're already gonna die yes, they could save it for later
and again they don't need to cc you if you're already going down which by the atmosphere of the thread and many people's remarks you probably are
So you think that not only I am a arsonist but also there is another SK who kills via knowing your trait?
I mean it's possible there's another third party role who has a 1 shot TID kill or something who knows, sure it's unlikely and I doubt claiming my trait will make me come to harm but if there's a possibility then that means the only reason I would do it is if the reward outweighs the risk - so what's the reward? why claim my trait? why is that relevant in any way?
Literally every single post that I've had to argue against I could quote it but I'd have to seperate it into 10 different pages because of how many useless back and forts we've had. Your entire wanting to lynch an unCC'd vigilante is irrational and unreasonable.
Refute what there is nothing to refute you're being irrational.
then it's your job to explain why I'm being irrational which you still haven't done without me being able to refute your point
Why are you pretending I'm parading it around as a fact. I'm parading it around as my opinion and I have to keep mentioning it because you keep saying 'BUT YOU DONT BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE YOURE JUST DOING IT SINCE YOURE PANICKING XDXDXDXD YOU DIDNT CHANGE YOUR OPINION BECAUSE OF READS LIKE HOW PEOPLE USUALLY CHANGE OPINIONS BUT BECAUSE IM ONTO YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' like honestly nice strawman attempt yourself.
you did say that it was a fact that you changed your vote on me due to changing your opinion:
"how convenient your town read has changed to a vote on me because I completely changed my behaviour and started acting irrationally and unreasonable and am disregarding all facts and logic you throw at me and also because I'm going out of my way to save Omnis life". Weird reasons to change my town read instead since when is a change in someones behaviour or a post osmeone makes not reason enough to change reads mr "I want to get reads from peoples lynch on Aqua" which are literally gotten by their posts. Are you arguing against people getting different/new reads from posts now? Don't bother answering this because instead of refuting it you'll just say 'You don't believe this' but thats the fun thing about facts Inf they're true regardless if you believe them and regardless if you believe I don't believe them.
and it's not a strawman at all, it's my opinion
Youre slightly right since it's Hips vote and not yours. Still it's only a singular vote and you pretend as if I'm practically lynched already. "it's possible our vigilante is an idiot" great argument Inf as usual. Again your logic for a vigilante not CCing me I've refuted about 50 times but you keep repeating it as if them not CCing me is because im practically lynched.
stop acting as though the amount of votes you have indicates how likely it is you're getting lynched, you know that's not necessarily true. there have been a lot of vocal doubts about your claim so any vigilante who reads that will know people are probably going to lynch you sooner or later, and if that doesn't happen soon then they can claim
Yes if I were a few votes away from being lynched but I am not, did you not read what I said or are you purposefully ignoring it. I haven't ignored it I've answered this TWICE and now a third time this post but you're ignoring my arguments, wonder why
you were ignoring it, you were insisting that the vig would kill you tonight if they were real, I kept saying it's possible they can't because they're a TID/RID one, you kept ignoring that
Yes youre right if Omni is town it would be tragic but since you don't read him town like you say here then leaving me alive would be beneficial like you say yet you continue to push for me. And yes it's a #fact because like I said a vigilante WOULD CC me since I only have a single vote. Now two but still.
my two options are lynch you or TWG, if noone wants to lynch TWG then my two choices become lynch notty or no lynch, I'd prefer to lynch you
and again see above about number of votes argument
Why are you acting as though the possibility of Omni being Mafia is irrelevant. Great you will lynch your town vigilante if your Weak bandwagon doesn't gain traction I know I've read this statement like 10 times. It's not irrelevant because your argument for lynching me is that you believe I'm third party but if I'm harmless whats the harm in waiting and letting me kill Omni while you lynch an actual Mafia instead like you literally say here about Weak.
then point me to a mafia to lynch that will gain traction, or I'm lynching you
Thats literally what I said you claim having both of you in the setup would be unbalanced, which would be out of the 'norm' for what most setups look like.
not just out of the 'norm' it would be against the entire premise of mafia - all games strive to be balanced, not all games strive to have a vigilante
Theyre favouring the idea because I have prime/ignite and my name is different and appearently me having to argue with you about how you don't believe anything I say paints me in a suspicious light if people think that so be it. I don't think you believe any of that and are just lynching me to save Omni and/or yourself.
they're probably favouring it because your arguments are obviously manipulative and anti town but that's my opinion
'I don't care if most setup have a vigilante' you litterally kept using the argument of WE DONT EVEN KNOW IF THIS SETUP HAS A VIGILANTE VIGILANTES ARENT COMMON XD. You clearly care since you were using your fake news as an argument to discredit me which I've now disproven with statistics.
wrong, every time I brought that argument up I also combined it with 'and even if most setups have one...', there being a vigilante in most setups doesn't make me suddenly trust you
1) And I've already made it clear thats stupid and potentially gamethrowing
2) Do you really think that since it sounds to me like you're just ignoring my valid arguments and throwing around 'I don't believe yous' and 'I think you're lying' because your 'gut feeling' is the only reason you have for lynching me.
1) except it's not, why should it be
2) okay so even if my only reason for lynching you is a gut feeling why does that mean I shouldn't if there are no better options
Letting someone you find suspicious live because they claim to be valuable is not stupid especially if they can prove their worth and there is 0 risk in letting them attempt to prove their worth. The only risk is Omni being town and you didn't particularly townread him so essentially what you're saying is that you want to not give a valuable town member a chance to prove themselves because you either want to lynch a valuable town member or you want Omni to not die.
except you can't prove your worth, you can kill omni oh wow that does nothing to prove you're town at all
Ive said this before, you do care since you were using it as an argument.
wrong, see above
17% = 90% Inf logic. You don't even have to believe me I don't care if you believe me there is sound logic in leaving me alive and prove my worth with the only risk being Omni's death.
why do you keep acting as though killing omni will 'prove your worth', what does that even mean
'Ignoring my own statements at convenient times' quote me go ahead this is you putting a fake narrative about my actions once again and its never true.
gladly:
'conveniently ignoring' I literally answered this and you ignored my argument by saying killing me with RID/TID would be a waste which is not only stupid because of see above but also because a RID/TID vigilante not only is unable to kill me but unable to kill anyone in this game besides Duffie unless people claim their names/traits which nobody will do incase of a SK.
2.1) That's because if I were infact third party the "real" vigilante would kill me during the night for being their CC and thus I would die. (#Fact)
"if they're rid/rid they can't kill me"
"if the vigilante exists they'll kill me"
I'm not acting as if everything I say is a fact im acting as if facts are facts and you keep ignoring them favoring your 'I think vigilantes would be stupid and not CC you'.
except you're saying things are facts that aren't, like I quoted above
You're dismissing everything I say and just pretend there is some evil narrative behind it, none of this is what Inf does as town. 83% chance is pretty likely and you want to lynch me on the 17% chance that I'm lying which is stupid, especially when a real vigilante would CC me.
I'm debunking a lot of what you're saying, and giving my opinion on what you're really doing
there's not a 17% chance you're lying there's a 17% chance of this setup having a town killing role, which there may be who isn't ccing you (and I've already outlined why they may not be doing), and notty at this point if there was a mere 5% chance you were lying I'd gladly take that since it's very clear to me you're not town
Are these statistics supposed to mean something? You're literally making up random statistics to try and discredit a valid one.
they're showing that relying on statistics of what roles have been here before is not gonna persuade me to think you're town because there are plenty of examples where those statistics don't hold up
100% of previous games have had a conflict between two factions.
You gonna discredit that one too with your 3 0% statistics? Just because you make up statistics about irrelevant things don't mean other statistics are irrelevant. 83% of games having a vigilante is very relevant because it describes what most games are like, much like most games being one faction vs another one and including Third Party people. This is genuinly the worst argument you've made so far good job, isn't making up bad arguments for the sake of discrediting my good ones fun?
are you trying to say that mafia being a game between two factions is in the same league of core mechanics as a game having a vigilante?
I'm honestly so done arguing with you when you keep ignoring all valid arguments I give, painting fake narratives behind them, use manipulative tactics and top it off by implying a "real" vigilante would gamethrow by not CCing me.
10/10 would vote the unCC'd vigilante again
pretty sure most if not everyone can see that this isn't what's happening
and it's not gamethrow
