[GAME OVER - TOWN WIN] The Comedy Club
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Alisha - Neutral read. Her logic makes sense to me, but also she's being quieter than I'd expect her to, which could just be confusion about the setup or it could be her trying to keep town from getting too close to a secret she knows.
Timdood3 - Slight town. I do understand where his bad feeling about me comes from - I'm still trying to figure out WTF is going on with this setup. I'm a bit weirded out by the fact that he has the same role as hip, but I'm not really sure if that means anything about his alignment yet.
Ltin - He's been jumping to conclusions quickly, I'm not really sure how to interpret that though. Tbh I'd like a reads list from him before I form an opinion on him.
Mooglie - Has been providing a lot of good info and is making a very honest effort to analyze this bizarre setup. Strong town read.
hipmeow - Her claim makes sense to me, but I really think we should look more into the fact that her and Tim have identical roles in a small closed setup. There's something about that which makes me think there could be one good and one evil comedian or something like that. Slight scum.
Nottykitten - Strong 3p - between her willingness to outright claim her action and ability to move between rooms, in addition to her compulsion to go to certain rooms leads me to believe that Notty has some ulterior goal beyond the standard win conditions for town or mafia.
TheWeakGuy48_ - Neutral/slight town read. He's being less assertive than I'm used to him being, but at the same time he's clearly working towards coordinating town so we can gather some useful information tonight.
HKCaper - Strong town. Clearly working towards analyzing the game as well as possible actions mafia could have taken.
webpaige - Neutral read. She was the first person to toss out the idea that Omni's death was a random decision, which seems like it could be misdirection on part of a scum, but outside of that she hasn't really posted anything outright scummy. I'd like a reads list from her too, if possible.
sessybessy - Slight/strong town - she seems like she's genuinely analyzing the setup and trying to draw conclusions. She's being a lot more active than she was last game which also makes me read her more as town, which is just personal bias tbh.
Also, I'd like to point out an issue with the theory that everybody in the same room receives the same item at night.
Last night, HK, Tim and I were all in the downstairs dressing room. HK and Tim received cogs. I received a battery.
Finally, my role is Cyborg.
Last night, HK, Tim and I were all in the downstairs dressing room. HK and Tim received cogs. I received a battery.
Finally, my role is Cyborg.
I'll claim now before I'm lynched in my sleep
I'm a Comedian with the double loot ability (which I found VERY confusing as I thought I recieved 2 loot and 2 of the item I stole and I referred to this in an earlier post before I asked for clarification from Inffy)
I wanted to see who got what because at first it looked like each room gave a certain item but Hip had a different item than me (this appears to be a coincidence as more people revealed their items)
I also received Scrap Metal (not cogs) so it was weird no one else had any but people had plenty of wire and cogs
I'm a Comedian with the double loot ability (which I found VERY confusing as I thought I recieved 2 loot and 2 of the item I stole and I referred to this in an earlier post before I asked for clarification from Inffy)
I wanted to see who got what because at first it looked like each room gave a certain item but Hip had a different item than me (this appears to be a coincidence as more people revealed their items)
I also received Scrap Metal (not cogs) so it was weird no one else had any but people had plenty of wire and cogs
Basically a lot of your earlier assumptions seem to have dominated the conversation, which isn't entirely your fault. But I'm curious as to why you were so confident in those assumptions.
This assumption was made based on pretty limited information, IMO. Granted, I may be biased b/c I'm one of the few people who has received a different item than the other people in my room.
Why do you necessarily assume that this is a mafia ability? Would it be possible that in later game phases we'll all be forced into a more limited number of rooms? Also have you ruled out the existence of 3p roles? If so, why?
And can you post a reads list please?
I think you misinterpreted my saying "mafia" here to mean "the informed minority" as opposed to what I actually meant, which was "the party game we are currently playing."
The main roles I had in mind when saying that were the roles of tracker and watcher. (Consider: what happens if a watcher watches the tracker? Not from a gameplay standpoint mind you, but from the standpoint of "everybody has a house which they leave to perform their actions")
From my point of view it was a perfectly valid assumption given the facts available to me at the time.
And I did say probably
Its late I will post a reads list tomorrow.
So it seems that my original assumption was correct in that there are a lot of Comedians. If there are any that haven't yet claimed I would advise that you keep it that way. We don't need to further limit the pool of PR targets for the mafia.
I do believe that Hip is town though since he was the first to claim comedian before knowing that there were more of us.
I do believe that Hip is town though since he was the first to claim comedian before knowing that there were more of us.
Can you clarify/elaborate on this post? Specifically the part where you refer to yourself as a comedian with the double loot ability. And then mentioned also stealing an item. If you are a Comedian like hip and me, then you shouldn't have the ability to steal anything. Care to explain this?
And to make things easier: How many of what items do you currently have and where did you get them.
Nope, no more abilities either
My full reads-list, in loose order.
Timdood3 - Am Comedian.
Hipmeow - Because of my aforementioned comedian-ness, and his being the first to claim it, I believe that he is town.
Alisha - I'm usually inclined to trust Alisha just because of her agreeable personality, but this game I'm getting a more neutral vibe. Could be a result of the way we learn little things intermittently rather than all at once; she seems mostly to be trying to figure out mechanics rather than scumhunt. (and I can't say I blame her, a lot of players seem to be doing that.)
Mooglie - Saying "the rest of the comedians" feels a bit like trying to slide under the radar with the filler claim. But I'm probably being too critical. Like Alisha, it's been a lot of just trying to figure out things about the setup. Neutral read.
Ltin - Claimed to have a role that made more sense after the map was revealed. I'll reserve judgement on that part until we hear what this role actually is, but I feel like a role that cares about the map is more likely to be mafia, but still has a decently high chance to be town. (It's kind of meta, but if I were to design this setup I certainly wouldn't want mafia to have all the fun of cross-room shenanigans.)
HKCaper - Hasn't been particularly active. I didn't die in my sleep while sharing a room with him, but that's about as far as I can say. Neutral read.
TWG - Nothing he's done has really stood out to me, but I'm leaning toward town by process of elimination.
Sessy - To me, sessy is on the line between neutral and scum-read. Probably the short posts that put me off of trusting her.
Notty - I feel that notty's "purification" fits in theme-wise as fighting off darkness. It feels like it could be a kind of pseudo-roleblocker since abilities seem to cost items. What stands out to me is that "grim souls" can survive the darkness. "Purification" suggests that it would remove said grimness. I'm inclined to believe the role itself, given Alisha's item-less-ness. However, I feel like it's more likely to be a mafia role than a town one.
Stranger - As I said, I have a bad feeling about stranger. It feels weird to just randomly toss out your role name without claiming an ability. Almost like trying to plant a fake claim for later. Another thing is that the slight townread on me saying they know why I don't trust them- I don't even know why I don't trust them- feels like saying "Hey, no need to bark up this tree, I think you're cool." Overall just. feels. fishy.
Paige - My last post contains my reasons for distrusting her. I also don't inherently trust any comedian claim after hip's and mine because at that point it's easy to catch on that it's a filler role.
Coming soon(tm): A claims table
Timdood3 - Am Comedian.
Hipmeow - Because of my aforementioned comedian-ness, and his being the first to claim it, I believe that he is town.
Alisha - I'm usually inclined to trust Alisha just because of her agreeable personality, but this game I'm getting a more neutral vibe. Could be a result of the way we learn little things intermittently rather than all at once; she seems mostly to be trying to figure out mechanics rather than scumhunt. (and I can't say I blame her, a lot of players seem to be doing that.)
Mooglie - Saying "the rest of the comedians" feels a bit like trying to slide under the radar with the filler claim. But I'm probably being too critical. Like Alisha, it's been a lot of just trying to figure out things about the setup. Neutral read.
Ltin - Claimed to have a role that made more sense after the map was revealed. I'll reserve judgement on that part until we hear what this role actually is, but I feel like a role that cares about the map is more likely to be mafia, but still has a decently high chance to be town. (It's kind of meta, but if I were to design this setup I certainly wouldn't want mafia to have all the fun of cross-room shenanigans.)
HKCaper - Hasn't been particularly active. I didn't die in my sleep while sharing a room with him, but that's about as far as I can say. Neutral read.
TWG - Nothing he's done has really stood out to me, but I'm leaning toward town by process of elimination.
Sessy - To me, sessy is on the line between neutral and scum-read. Probably the short posts that put me off of trusting her.
Notty - I feel that notty's "purification" fits in theme-wise as fighting off darkness. It feels like it could be a kind of pseudo-roleblocker since abilities seem to cost items. What stands out to me is that "grim souls" can survive the darkness. "Purification" suggests that it would remove said grimness. I'm inclined to believe the role itself, given Alisha's item-less-ness. However, I feel like it's more likely to be a mafia role than a town one.
Stranger - As I said, I have a bad feeling about stranger. It feels weird to just randomly toss out your role name without claiming an ability. Almost like trying to plant a fake claim for later. Another thing is that the slight townread on me saying they know why I don't trust them- I don't even know why I don't trust them- feels like saying "Hey, no need to bark up this tree, I think you're cool." Overall just. feels. fishy.
Paige - My last post contains my reasons for distrusting her. I also don't inherently trust any comedian claim after hip's and mine because at that point it's easy to catch on that it's a filler role.
Coming soon(tm): A claims table
There was someone else who didn't know their role name but I forgot who it was. I also know the items column is incomplete, somebody just correct me afterward, I'm too tired.
| Player | Role Name | Ability | Items |
| Alisha | ??? | ??? | 0x |
| Timdood3 | Comedian | Double Loot | 2x Cog |
| Ltin | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| Stranger | Cyborg | ??? | 1x Battery |
| Mooglie | Comedian | Double Loot | 0x |
| Hipmeow | Comedian | Double Loot | 2x Wire |
| Notty | Purifier | Prevents a player from getting items (and takes them?) | 1x Wire |
| TheWeakGuy | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| HKCaper | ??? | ??? | 1x Cog |
| Webpaige | Comedian | Double Loot (And a steal?!) | 2x Scrap Metal (And a stolen item?) |
| Sessybessy | Unknown | ??? | ??? |
So Comedians appear to be the VT-like role in this game, so the question is if scum knew that from the beginning or not and knew how to take advantage of it. I am inclined to trust hip for now for being the first to claim though.
I'll give a brief summary of my reads at the moment before I begin sifting through the entire thread as there are a few people I haven't focused on observing yet, I might do the line connecting thing I did last game when I get a chance since that really helped me before.
Town
Sessybessy - She gives an aura of innocence despite her unknown role which influenced my decision to ask her to go in a room with me, but from my time in the room with her she looked to be genuinely trying to figure out the mechanics of the setup and we coordinated the pages we read, if she was scum I think she would be a lot less consistent.
Hipmeow - From being the first to claim comedian, makes me slightly less worried about him compared to everyone else. Slightly.
Neutral
TheWeakGuy48_
HKCaper
Timdood
Ltin
Nottykitten - Notty is the most unpredictable player I've ever seen, and I don't think I'll ever get a good grasp on her meta playstyle. Admittedly I swung toward scumreading her yesterday and the beginning of today partly because of the meta read and also because of the item confusion. With her explanation that she removed my item and that I can verify that I didn't get anything despite expectations to the contrary, her role is making sense and she's trying to bring information to the table. I don't have a solid read on her alignment yet and I'm withholding judgement because my meta read on her makes me slightly stupid.
Scumreads
Mooglie - Even though moog is very vocal with voicing the trains of logic he's been on, a lot of them look like they've been misleading or there to distract us, such as the insistence on the darkness, a neutral entity, killing Omni despite evidence to the contrary. That indirectly keeps our focus on mechanics instead of scumhunting the likely killers of Omni.
WebPaige - I haven't played with her or observed her in a game I hosted before so I lack a meta read on her, but so far she's been agreeable and maintains a present voice, with the occasional suspicion casting sprinkled throughout, and sometimes an odd statement here or there that makes me go 'huh?'. (Iike the stealing comment)
Stranger from Planet 9 - Jumped around quite a lot, notably when she voted me with a serious tone yesterday but in her reads list gave a generic back and forth read on me without addressing it.
I'll give a brief summary of my reads at the moment before I begin sifting through the entire thread as there are a few people I haven't focused on observing yet, I might do the line connecting thing I did last game when I get a chance since that really helped me before.
Town
Sessybessy - She gives an aura of innocence despite her unknown role which influenced my decision to ask her to go in a room with me, but from my time in the room with her she looked to be genuinely trying to figure out the mechanics of the setup and we coordinated the pages we read, if she was scum I think she would be a lot less consistent.
Hipmeow - From being the first to claim comedian, makes me slightly less worried about him compared to everyone else. Slightly.
Neutral
TheWeakGuy48_
HKCaper
Timdood
Ltin
Nottykitten - Notty is the most unpredictable player I've ever seen, and I don't think I'll ever get a good grasp on her meta playstyle. Admittedly I swung toward scumreading her yesterday and the beginning of today partly because of the meta read and also because of the item confusion. With her explanation that she removed my item and that I can verify that I didn't get anything despite expectations to the contrary, her role is making sense and she's trying to bring information to the table. I don't have a solid read on her alignment yet and I'm withholding judgement because my meta read on her makes me slightly stupid.
Scumreads
Mooglie - Even though moog is very vocal with voicing the trains of logic he's been on, a lot of them look like they've been misleading or there to distract us, such as the insistence on the darkness, a neutral entity, killing Omni despite evidence to the contrary. That indirectly keeps our focus on mechanics instead of scumhunting the likely killers of Omni.
WebPaige - I haven't played with her or observed her in a game I hosted before so I lack a meta read on her, but so far she's been agreeable and maintains a present voice, with the occasional suspicion casting sprinkled throughout, and sometimes an odd statement here or there that makes me go 'huh?'. (Iike the stealing comment)
Stranger from Planet 9 - Jumped around quite a lot, notably when she voted me with a serious tone yesterday but in her reads list gave a generic back and forth read on me without addressing it.
Mooglie
The Local Cow
(well quoting a table didnt work but)
if paige does have an extra steal ability then it isnt confirmed i have double loot since i got 0 items last night so my ability is still unknown to me if all comedians dont have the exact same abilities
Mooglie
The Local Cow
well i guess thats the counter point to the above backup proof but still!!!!!!!
(i should really stop doing an inf and responding to posts as i read them im in defensive mode since people are trying to come for me)
Mooglie
The Local Cow
yikes gee sorry that im trying to come up with theories around the mafia game that has a map and pamphlet i sure should expect it to be a carbon copy of every other mafia game in the mechanics department too XD
id also like to say that paige also thought of the darkness and i think hip mentioned it too since you did not get to read omnis dead description and so dont know what youre talking about!
im so insulted and my day 0 vibes told me alisha was mafia and so out of pettiness im gonna go ahead and
vote Alisha
You're misconstruing the point I'm trying to make there, where that your theory happens to be the one where we don't do any scumhunting and just accept that Omni was hit by a darkness NPC, better luck next time. Mechanical theories make sense, but you were so insistent on it being the one true path earlier that it seemed off to me.
Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about since I didn't get to read an apparent discription of how omni died, so forgive me that I don't have the luxury of working with the same level of information that you hip and paige do.
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
I mean