[GAME OVER - TOWN WIN] The Comedy Club

[Alisha]

What evidence to the contrary do you have?

I don't have evidence to prove what I believe, and neither does Mooglie.

 

[Mooglie]

The specific point I'm talking about is the difference between somebody using the darkness to kill people, and the darkness operating as an entity independent of the players in this game.

im sorry that i take something called the Darkness and not just 'the darkness' to have some sort of sentience and ability to function on its own

Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about since I didn't get to read an apparent discription of how omni died, so forgive me that I don't have the luxury of working with the same level of information that you hip and paige do.

so maybe consider this and dont imply/say im insistent on it being its own kill for 0 reason!

You're misconstruing the point I'm trying to make there, where that your theory happens to be the one where we don't do any scumhunting and just accept that Omni was hit by a darkness NPC, better luck next time. Mechanical theories make sense, but you were so insistent on it being the one true path earlier that it seemed off to me.

i mean youve literally said that its likely mafia can travel between rooms to do the kill so scumhunting within rooms is null, and if you mean im just dispelling the thought of mafia ever existing then ??? ive constantly said that the mafia exist throughout the game so yes i do think we should scumhunt

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also i think theres 3 mafia this game
im certain alisha is one since my vibes told me day 0 and now theyre coming for me smh

the whole tim vs stranger this has struck me as weird and a bit fake so i thought they were a team where tim was minorly bussing to avoid suspicion but strangers claim is interesting and doesnt seem fake (as it can be proven to be right/wrong but it isnt necessarily not a mafia ability)

i thought notty was lying day 0 but theyre still continuing it so maybe not, i dont buy spirits doing their bidding but apparently every single theory ive had this game was wrong so hey maybe notty is controlling magical spirits to purify people of their items

 

[Mooglie]

I don't have evidence to prove what I believe, and neither does Mooglie.

- why omni of all people
- if mafia can travel between rooms, do they get to know who is in every room and then decide their kill, or do they have to decide on a room to stay in, and them a room to visit, get told who is in that room, and then decide the kill
- the Darkness™ implies sentience in a game which we're told 'it is alive' a lot (referring to the stage which shouldnt have sentience but hey ho)
- omni's death message (which you didnt see but all 3 people who did see it, one who you are town reading, has been confirmed to be very spooky and ominous)
- infs message

but on the contrary theres also evidence to suggest that the mafia are darkness worshippers and do use the darkness to kill people
a theory ive said
in my pamphlet analysis post
and after infs post revealing new information
since im not saying scumhunting is stupid and worthless in this game im just trying to get a grasp on the situation

 

[Alisha]

i mean youve literally said that its likely mafia can travel between rooms to do the kill so scumhunting within rooms is null, and if you mean im just dispelling the thought of mafia ever existing then ??? ive constantly said that the mafia exist throughout the game so yes i do think we should scumhunt

I did not say that we shouldn't bother scumhunting within the room, I pointed out that Omni's role implies threats from outside the room, something you also expressed doubt in when you thought about hip and paige's motives.

Mooglie, I am not coming for you specifically, I had a set of three scumreads that I posted, and I haven't even begun voting and I said that I was going to backread and draw my own map of the reads and focus on the people I have not focused on.

 

[Mooglie]

meanwhile my townreads are ltin for being the first to come forward about hidden abilities (on the contrary alisha brought up the point about mafia being given info at the start of the game to fit in so maybe they were told that everyone has hidden abilities so it was safe to come forward) and hip for being the first to come forward about the comedian thing and actually stated abilities

 

[Mooglie]

I did not say that we shouldn't bother scumhunting within the room, I pointed out that Omni's role implies threats from outside the room, something you also expressed doubt in when you thought about hip and paige's motives.

Mooglie, I am not coming for you specifically, I had a set of three scumreads that I posted, and I haven't even begun voting and I said that I was going to backread and draw my own map of the reads and focus on the people I have not focused on.

im DEFENSIVE and do not like anyone calling me scum!
and what do you mean about expressing doubts
and dont belittle me!

 

[Alisha]

but on the contrary theres also evidence to suggest that the mafia are darkness worshippers and do use the darkness to kill people
a theory ive said
in my pamphlet analysis post
and after infs post revealing new information
since im not saying scumhunting is stupid and worthless in this game im just trying to get a grasp on the situation

Ok, then since I misrepresented you I apologize. I was talking about the theory of the darkness being a murdering NPC, but considering you did post content based on the death via darkness then yes I'm sorry.

 

[Alisha]

im DEFENSIVE and do not like anyone calling me scum!
and what do you mean about expressing doubts
and dont belittle me!

Expressing doubts - when you thought that the situation of omni dying meant either you paige or hip killed him, and upon listing your reads you weren't sure if the threat was from in the room or not.

I'm not belittling you, I don't do that to people.

 

[Mooglie]

Expressing doubts - when you thought that the situation of omni dying meant either you paige or hip killed him, and upon listing your reads you weren't sure if the threat was from in the room or not.

that was because i misread his death information description thing
i thought it said 2 other people were waking up but one looked dark and emotionless but instead it meant 2 other people were waking up and the other person (omni) was dark and emotionless (because he died)

I'm not belittling you, I don't do that to people.

well im in high defense mode and officially read all of your posts from now on as hostile you have to live with this!!

 

[hipmeow]

well im just going to say my top susps are -
stranger: something just seems off with the pushing for a lynch between me oog and paige at the start, its like they just went with the whole mafia kills people in the same room thingy which im pretty sure is false now. plus idk im just getting everyones favourite mafia reasoning, vibes.
notty: their ability seems like i would harm town moreso than mafia. i mean not only would mafia need items for some reason, but notty would also need to know who the mafia is which means we may aswell lynch them unless im missing something. but i guess it could still work as a 3p ability too but idk.

 

[Mooglie]

i mean not only would mafia need items for some reason

there was a mention of 'a key' in uhhh tims pamphlet page iirc so mafia could need items as well (the key was for darkness worshipping or something)
also paige's (and someone else i forgot) pamphlet page mentioned writing something on library paper to force someone to put themselves on stage

 

[Nottykitten]

The specific point I'm talking about is the difference between somebody using the darkness to kill people, and the darkness operating as an entity independent of the players in this game.

If they were using the darkness to kill people then how do you explain the flavour about people with 'grim souls' (aka servants) being able to survive the darkness? I doubt the Mafia would try to kill one of their own if they controlled the darkness (and if they did want to why would inf discourage such advanced plays) so wouldn't it make more sense for the darkness to not be controlled by the servants?

The voice says our best chance of survival is to get rid of the servants but that doesn't mean the servants are actually killing us. In my opinion this works even better because servants that can't kill probably have something else to do like building something that looks like this:

Spoiler

Which I can prevent using my purifying ability.

 

[hipmeow]

there was a mention of 'a key' in uhhh tims pamphlet page iirc so mafia could need items as well (the key was for darkness worshipping or something)

i still think its silly to expect this one role to remove getting items from mafia member when if we do know who is mafia we may aswell kill them

 

[Alisha]

that was because i misread his death information description thing
i thought it said 2 other people were waking up but one looked dark and emotionless but instead it meant 2 other people were waking up and the other person (omni) was dark and emotionless (because he died)

Ok, thank you for explaining that to me.

well im in high defense mode and officially read all of your posts from now on as hostile you have to live with this!!

Not for long if you do end up lynching me

 

[Nottykitten]

meanwhile my townreads are ltin for being the first to come forward about hidden abilities

Excuse me

 

[Mooglie]

i still think its silly to expect this one role to remove getting items from mafia member when if we do know who is mafia we may aswell kill them

valid i guess!
i mean i dont think notty is town too but i think following this logic could work as a 3p
but i said earlier today my suspicion that notty is mafia masquerading as 3p has grown but idk!

 

[Alisha]

If they were using the darkness to kill people then how do you explain the flavour about people with 'grim souls' (aka servants) being able to survive the darkness? I doubt the Mafia would try to kill one of their own if they controlled the darkness (and if they did want to why would inf discourage such advanced plays) so wouldn't it make more sense for the darkness to not be controlled by the servants?

I'm a bit confused here, you're talking about a specific situation where mafia nightkills another mafia? Did this topic come up before somewhere?

 

[Mooglie]

Excuse me

*something hidden about role my bad!!

notty was the first to mention abilities specifically
but that could have been extrapolated!!

 

[hipmeow]

well im positive notty isnt town be it 3p or mafia so its a safe bet

vote notty

 

[Nottykitten]

I'm a bit confused here, you're talking about a specific situation where mafia nightkills another mafia? Did this topic come up before somewhere?

Im talking about you saying the darkness is controlled by the servants and the flavour text saying clearly that people with grim souls can survive the darkness. What is the purpose of this flavour text then according to you? Why would it mention people with grim souls (servants) being able to survive the darkness if the servants are doing the killing? Why would Inf put in flavour text that says "mafia can't kill themselves XD"?

well im positive notty isnt town be it 3p or mafia so its a safe bet

vote notty

You say this literally every game plus you're going to lynch one of two people who so far claim to have an active ability (and mine is practically proven).

 

[hipmeow]

You say this literally every game plus you're going to lynch one of two people who so far claim to have an active ability (and mine is practically proven).

but i dont see how its useful to us. like even my double loot ability seems to be more useful than urs.

 

[Alisha]

Im talking about you saying the darkness is controlled by the servants and the flavour text saying clearly that people with grim souls can survive the darkness. What is the purpose of this flavour text then according to you? Why would it mention people with grim souls (servants) being able to survive the darkness if the servants are doing the killing? Why would Inf put in flavour text that says "mafia can't kill themselves XD"?

If the servants are doing the killing, perhaps they can not only survive the darkness but they can channel it to kill. I believe the purpose of that flavortext is to inform that they can be alone and enter dark rooms without worrying about harm.

Hip's point that notty can unintentionally/intentionally sabotage town (like, by stealing from omni who had a confirmed ability that required items) isn't lost on me.

 

[Nottykitten]

Hip's point that notty can unintentionally/intentionally sabotage town (like, by stealing from omni who had a confirmed ability that required items) isn't lost on me.

I mean thats true for standard roles such as a roleblockers too. Good when used on scum bad when used on town.

If the servants are doing the killing, perhaps they can not only survive the darkness but they can channel it to kill. I believe the purpose of that flavortext is to inform that they can be alone and enter dark rooms without worrying about harm.

The flavour text clearly mentions that it's about the kill though. Take a look at HK's pamphlet thingy:

Pamphlet Page	Person	Pamphlet Paraphrasing
21	HK	Page 21 is on the darkness. It says the darkness takes over a player, and weakens the player it takes over. It also mentions the darkness cannot move to what im guessing are the black rooms, but can use the dark around it to kill. Lastly it says that the kill is nearly unstoppable, only those with grim (if anyone has any idea if this is merely flavor or actually useful) souls can survive.

If the servants 'channel' the kill or direct the darkness to do the kill then why would there be flavour text saying that the servants can survive kills by the darkness? It makes no real sense unless either the servants don't know who other servants are or the darkness is a seperate entity.

 

[hipmeow]

I mean thats true for standard roles such as a roleblockers too. Good when used on scum bad when used on town.

except a roleblocker might result in one less kill and information as to who is mafia. your ability does neither of those. if you do hit a mafia we have no clue if you did, and this all still presumes mafia need items for anything

 

[Nottykitten]

but i dont see how its useful to us. like even my double loot ability seems to be more useful than urs.

How is your double loot ability useful then? Are you gonna build something? Perhaps give your items away? So far there have been 0 claims about people being able to do anything with these items and nothing about being able to give them away/others in a room being able to use your items. I'm sure there is probably one or more roles like that not just for town but also for Mafia.