(i mean i guess you could say im still ignoring you since despite those counters i still said i thought they FELT fake still but still i cant help how i feel! even though that could easily be tunnel but i also did say that it could be and acknowledged it!)looks like you countered hip and mis reads but not notty and moog, and i did end up retracting my point about your hip read so that wasnt pure tunnel, and i ended up deciding you were just using a different definition for 'rationale' than me for your mis read and never pushed on them further, so your counters there were convincing to me so im not just ignoring you