Mafia: Saints & Sinners - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

[Alisha]

it strikes me as weird that you're backing down so quickly but then again your entire line of reasoning was proven incorrect so it makes sense logically but the paranoid part of me is slightly uneasy

 

[Infected_alien8_]

it strikes me as weird that you're backing down so quickly but then again your entire line of reasoning was proven incorrect so it makes sense logically but the paranoid part of me is slightly uneasy

yeah the only reason i suspected you was since i thought you admitted to misunderstanding your role so now that i realized you didnt my feelings are gone again and im back to neutral on you

 

[Alisha]

in other news im slightly concerned i might be wrong after all and maybe the devil gets a mind control ability

 

[Infected_alien8_]

in other news im slightly concerned i might be wrong after all and maybe the devil gets a mind control ability

why are you so confident the deal results in alignment switching instead of something else, and that there aren't already 3 mafia?

 

[Alisha]

 

[Alisha]

why are you so confident the deal results in alignment switching instead of something else, and that there aren't already 3 mafia?

because what else can be a proper representation of deals with the devil? the devil takes your soul from the deal, represented by you joining the devil's side.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

because what else can be a proper representation of deals with the devil? the devil takes your soul from the deal, represented by you joining the devil's side.

losing your soul can be represented by lots of way though, you said yourself there was a game that took votes from people - why don't you think it's that this time?

another idea is that it could make them vulnerable to mind control via the voodoo people

in a game I ran years ago I also had a devil role, it visited a player and would tell the player it would take their abilities unless they sold their soul, and that meant the devil could control their vote one time in the game

 

[Alisha]

losing your soul can be represented by lots of way though, you said yourself there was a game that took votes from people - why don't you think it's that this time?

another idea is that it could make them vulnerable to mind control via the voodoo people

in a game I ran years ago I also had a devil role, it visited a player and would tell the player it would take their abilities unless they sold their soul, and that meant the devil could control their vote one time in the game

I guess it could be by vote, I'm slightly influenced by meta reasons that it's not by vote

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I guess it could be by vote, I'm slightly influenced by meta reasons that it's not by vote

what meta reasons?

 

[Alisha]

what meta reasons?

i just don't see stranger giving the devil extra votes in exchange

god inf you're forcing me to be as bad as the rest of you when i host a game

 

[Infected_alien8_]

i just don't see stranger giving the devil extra votes in exchange

is there a specific reason for why

 

[Alisha]

is there a specific reason for why

it's been done before and im reasonably certain she's read past games!

 

[Infected_alien8_]

it's been done before and im reasonably certain she's read past games!

you think she won't have done something that's been done before? is there a specific reason for that too?

 

[Alisha]

you think she won't have done something that's been done before? is there a specific reason for that too?

i just don't read her as repeating something already done by another game she's seen

 

[Fog]

Hello, sorry I am still here, just the game was going slow when I first checked it and now we are 8 pages in!

Making a deal with the devil involves gaining an ability, but may have unexpected consequences. Deals are made by declaring them in the main thread.

Sure but we don't know the consequences and unless we physically cannot win without making deals with the devil I don't see a reasonable scenario where they'd be necessary unless it was mylo or something else drastic

I would assume that the abilities are good? Which would entice a player to make a deal? Like what if the only way to get a cop or a doctor is through a deal?

do you agree with alisha that making a deal with the devil will turn you mafia?

Linking this quote to my last point, I think that the idea of making a deal turns you mafia seems stupid... if you're getting an ability for it? Like what use would let's say a "cop" be if they were mafia sided?

I think the most probable case would be that the Devil if he chooses to accept your offering steals your vote? - Links back to Voodoo and all that jazz (get it Jazz... New Orleans)

let's be real a lot of people don't play mafia with making optimal plays in mind

HKCaper I think she's calling you out ?

 

[BetaPanda]

I think when you deal with the devil, you get a special quirk but you become a vulnerable target from the devil

 

[BetaPanda]

I personally think there could be another way for the Devil to convert people but then conversion also seems a bit odd in terms of gameplay.

Like how would it work if say we have 5 town 5 mafia (just an example game, not the Setup we have rn) and 3 of the 5 town convert now we have 2 town 8 mafia and mafia auto win since there’s now an unbalanced game cause they just kill the last 2 players.

of course I could be skipping some gameplay mechanics here (I’m not exactly an expert at Mafia games and how they work) but it’s just how I see it

i kinda agree with this

 

[Aqua]

I would assume that the abilities are good? Which would entice a player to make a deal? Like what if the only way to get a cop or a doctor is through a deal?

But we don't know what the consequences are fog. We don't need a cop or a doctor, for all we know the devil team needs people to make deals with the devil, there's too much to lose and too little to gain (unless ofc it was a mylo or something similar)

 

[Alisha]

I would assume that the abilities are good? Which would entice a player to make a deal? Like what if the only way to get a cop or a doctor is through a deal?

aqua look my point has been proven

 

[Aqua]

aqua look my point has been proven

fuck

 

[sessybessy]

what if the people who ‘convert’ just become a third party group? Weird game mechanic but still somewhat possible...


correct me if I’m wrong but third party wins either way right?

 

[Aqua]

what if the people who ‘convert’ just become a third party group? Weird game mechanic but still somewhat possible...


correct me if I’m wrong but third party wins either way right?

This theory crafting is getting a little out of hand now lol.

Altho I suppose that could be real it brings up way too many questions and flaws at this point in the game that cannot be answered, to not ignore your question completely:

I'm kinda doubtful that a large proportion of the game (2+ people out of 12) would be able to switch to a neutral position whenever they choose otherwise town would be at a major disadvantage by the numbers. Also it definitely wouldn't be a neutral position because that removes any reason to play... they win anyway.

Sometimes bigger games have 1 survivor role that will have that objective from the start, or have a role that can assume a position on either team but to have numerous roles that begin the game as townie shift out of the townie alignment wouldn't work IMO

 

[Timdood3]

i just don't read her as repeating something already done by another game she's seen

But what about taking an idea from a past game and ramping it up?

I'm kinda doubtful that a large proportion of the game (2+ people out of 12) would be able to switch to a neutral position whenever they choose otherwise town would be at a major disadvantage by the numbers.

*Laughs in Party at the Machine*

 

[Aqua]

*Laughs in Party at the Machine*

Mind elaborating how that mechanic worked?

I wasn't here for that game

 

[Timdood3]

Mind elaborating how that mechanic worked?

I wasn't here for that game

Basically it was a small game like this one with the gimmick being that nearly half the game was third party. Closed setup obviously.