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The reason for me not voting is because I have no idea who to vote.

My gut tells me oog is town and I can see how his ability could benefit us. If, for example, he wiretaps someone and figures out they were lying about their role etc. It's just unfortunate that it can hinder Town roles too. But I think he could be very useful so I don't want to vote him.

The 77/myuser thing is 50/50 for me since I kind of want to believe both of them.

Part of me wants to vote to lynch Notme due to his suspicious behaviour but I get the impression he acts like this a lot and I don't think many others would lynch him.

The fact that oog knows caff has watched Over the Garden Wall is interesting. It makes me think caff is perhaps the telegrapher, but then again we don't know if that role is bad or not. I just find it interesting that she denies it too.

But yeah, I'm stumped on what to do. :(
 

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I don't particularly feel like lynching Oog as I think he's town. And Myuser's words have been pretty desperate which is either an elaborate scheme or genuinly annoyed we might lynch a town doctor. But it has me kind of convinced.

myusername22 I'm might be willing to take your word on the fact that there is only one doctor and that means 77 is lying about stuff, but the "Not Innocent" report me and my partner got is not working much in your favor so I'm not sure what to think. But if what you're telling is true then why are you voting Oog and not 77, if Oog is only a chance to get Mafia and 77 would be confirmed Mafia in your eyes?
 

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Wait... If Caff is the Telemarketer... How did she do it?

Sure, you say I was roleblocked, but... How? Are you suggesting there's one more roleblocker out there? D:
Well it depends on how you view the role I guess. Remember in Bloody Masquerade where I was a lie-detector. I believe I couldn't be roleblocked as it wasn't a visiting action or anything(if I remember right). Maybe the same thing applies to the Telemarketer?


Also no I don't classify Duffie as an "educated doctor" or a "doctor claim", since shes a jailer. So this "only one doctor" thing doesn't apply to her in my opinion.
 

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We literally lynched the hooker.
Duffie having been roleblocked is ridiculously unlikely.
yes i agree with this but i still feeeel it
+ a theory that doesn't really make sense but it may explain why

cat targetted duffie on night 2 and from night 1 we can gather that the role has some sort of switchy-ability since a tracking report was received on night 1 instead of a watching report. since duffie is a jailer then what if that traveled over and cat ended up roleblocking *and* protecting duffie. the protection may be why there was such a lack of deaths and the roleblock may be why i got that telegraph if caff is the telegrammer. however, this doesn't make sense since i got the 'was not visited' second half meaning that the watching worked as well, but this might be because there was no report to overrule the watching report.
 

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I don't particularly feel like lynching Oog as I think he's town. And Myuser's words have been pretty desperate which is either an elaborate scheme or genuinly annoyed we might lynch a town doctor. But it has me kind of convinced.

myusername22 I'm might be willing to take your word on the fact that there is only one doctor and that means 77 is lying about stuff, but the "Not Innocent" report me and my partner got is not working much in your favor so I'm not sure what to think. But if what you're telling is true then why are you voting Oog and not 77, if Oog is only a chance to get Mafia and 77 would be confirmed Mafia in your eyes?
77 didn't explicitly claim doctor. His role could be part of something else. All I'm certain. Of is that either he or Duffie is lying because I doubt there are 3 protection roles. The odds of the town correctly lynching between us 3 are low, but its doubtful the mafia want all of us alive right up until endgame so its likely they will either kill one of us off or more information will surface in another way. As far as I'm concerned, this is a lynch for another day.

Besides, from my perspective 77 is a better lynch because I know we don't lose the town doctor, but that's not really an option. Let's say we force a lynch between the two of us... Who would you vote for? The one the cop reported as 'not inno' or the one the cop had no report on? Basically, I'd lose and there would still not be enough evidence to lynch 77 tomorrow ( seeing as he didn't explicitly claim doctor) we have no way of knowing this isn't town vs town and I don't want to waste 2 lynches on the bet that one of us is mafia when it could be Duffie.

Its still possible he was role blocked or something, and I find it very weird scum would claim to visit Erik just to kill me unless 77 were a lyncher role or something.
 

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oh, and another thing

ooglie and cat's claims basically rely on each other to be true. correct me if i'm wrong, but nothing outside of the potato inn has been verified by anyone else. all evidence supporting one's claim has been provided by the other, and vice versa.

the potato bag thing might not even be real. it wasn't even mentioned to be a bag until after samlen died, flipping as "potato poisoner"

Oh you want me to change the subject, eh? VERY WELL THEN.

What do you know of potatoes?

...posting and running before I freeze up again.
Worst first post in a mafia thread, bar none.
Oh for the love of all that is potatoes... Ok, ok, because I'm bad at long posts apparently, I'll make this as short as possible.

Yes I'm in the potato inn. I was supposed to be representative, but I guess that fell apart because I'm too quiet for my own good.

Oog is not in the club. Oog probably targeted me with an action or something N1 and saw the bag as a result of it. I personally had no idea what the bag even did until Oog mentioned it. That said... it was stolen last night, along with the apparently revealed lethal potatoes it carried.

...wait a second. I just... realized. Oog targeted me night 1. Oog, does your role have anything to do with obfuscating info?

And the last thing... Myu's claim lines up with what I know. I'm inclined to believe him, unless something else comes up.
We didnt disclose any information last night about our roles because we thought one of us might be a mafia (which we were right), therefore I have no idea about this bag.

And it does matter please tell us who - what hunter said
1. I don't know what the bag does or even how it functions. All I could do was question its existence. I started the game with it.
2. Oog's answers do finally mean something. Means he has been snooping 'round my info, and likely knows my ability and actions.
3. I found out when they were stolen, at the very start of this day.

As for what happened with Ender/Myu's claim...

I know that Ender targeted JKang. JKang was protected by Myu. Myu kills whomever visits his patients. Myu therefore killed Ender.

There, that solves that.
Anything else?
Cat claims to be a simple watcher, but erik's already a watcher and cat would have caught ender's killer if she had watched him.
Also, if ooglie really did interfere with cat's reports, then wouldn't cat, as a town pr, recognize that as antitown and try to get him lynched?
Cat's reaction is too passive from my point of view.

The "cat suddenly turned into a tracker n1!!" claim is unverifiable and frankly sounds ridiculous.

tl;dr neither cat nor ooglie have any evidence to suggest their claim is true that isn't provided by the other.
 

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(nevermind just realized she targeted jk)
No, cat claimed to watch ender but get turned into a tracker role. It's possible and more reasonable that jkang and ender were bussed by a driver-type role. Frankly that should have been the first explanation to come to mind.

But myu claims to kill any people visiting his target, and if cat watched jkang, then she'd be dead, according to his claim.
 

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Sorry, new to mafia, what does this mean lol
say there's this guy, carl, who has a night action
carl wants to use his action on alice

there is another guy, dave, who has a driver-bus action
he switches the "addresses" of alice and bob

carl tries to use his action on alice, but it is performed on bob instead
likewise, any actions attempted on bob are performed on alice
 

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No, cat claimed to watch ender but get turned into a tracker role. It's possible and more reasonable that jkang and ender were bussed by a driver-type role. Frankly that should have been the first explanation to come to mind.

But myu claims to kill any people visiting his target, and if cat watched jkang, then she'd be dead, according to his claim.
Interesting theory here: what If Ooglie is a town sided journalist following a mafia sided Journalist (forget the name of the mafia sided journalist role.) She can't claim journalist so she's forced to claim something silly like watcher, but couldn't deny that she had enders tracking report because Ooglie had seen it? Explains why she got no message, as duffie as jailer would probably not receive a message.

where is this duffie was roleblocked thing coming into play again? I must've missed it?
 

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Hunter But if they were switched wouldn't myuser have protected ender instead, and so he'd be alive? Or did myuser not claim to protect jk? Sorry I'm confused and my internet is too bad to let me look back at what people said right now D;
maybe? i was thinking more along the lines of maybe cat herself was forced to change targets

then again, oog could have just messed with the report
 

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Hunter ooglie is bit confusing, but I think he may be innocent.
well pinning it on a dead guy is kinda easy

also is anyone else sensing a theme of like pairs
naoh & hunter as templars
notty & chief as police (then poor lonely tim)
jkangaroo & [someone maybe caff] as telegram people
There seems to be a lot of one shot power roles:

Here's an updated table adding me, the table I stole from Hunter and is probably out of date:
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Player{/td}
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N1 actions{/td}
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N2 actions{/td}
{td=192x@}
Roleclaim{/td}
{/tr}
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{td=117x@}
Ooglie101{/td}
{td=512x@}
saw cat near potato hoard, censored her report{/td}
{td=303x@}
censor cat, received over the wall telegram{/td}
{td=192x@}
Censorer{/td}
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{tr}
{td=117x@}
Notme{/td}
{td=512x@}
None{/td}
{td=303x@}
None{/td}
{td=192x@}
Mad Gunwoman (Hunter){/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Nottykitten{/td}
{td=512x@}
Attempted to investigate 77, received same message as Tim{/td}
{td=303x@}
Investigate myu, not innocent{/td}
{td=192x@}
Policeman-in-training{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
JKangaroo{/td}
{td=512x@}
Read telegram, pass telegram onto Aqua{/td}
{td=303x@}
Read telegram, pass to Ooglie{/td}
{td=192x@}
Telegram Operator{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Duffie{/td}
{td=512x@}
Curfew'd 77{/td}
{td=303x@}
Curfew'd Caff{/td}
{td=192x@}
Curfew Enforcer{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Hunter{/td}
{td=512x@}
Templar Chat{/td}
{td=303x@}
No chat{/td}
{td=192x@}
Templar{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Enderfive{/td}
{td=512x@}
tracked jkang? (unknown if true){/td}
{td=303x@}
Dead{/td}
{td=192x@}
Tracker{/td}
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{tr}
{td=117x@}
Vatumok{/td}
{td=512x@}
Possibly killed Noah{/td}
{td=303x@}
Dead{/td}
{td=192x@}
Clockmaker{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
CaffeinatedKitty{/td}
{td=512x@}
Has action, targeted Vatumok{/td}
{td=303x@}
Blocked by Duffie, no report{/td}
{td=192x@}
PR{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Jivvi{/td}
{td=512x@}
No action{/td}
{td=303x@}
No action{/td}
{td=192x@}
Neckbeard with an item{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Samlen{/td}
{td=512x@}
Unknown, Poisoner{/td}
{td=303x@}
Potato chat, Died, may have poisoned?{/td}
{td=192x@}
Maf2 Poisoner/Potato Farmer{/td}
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{tr}
{td=117x@}
erik5456{/td}
{td=512x@}
watch notty, jolt visited{/td}
{td=303x@}
watch hunter, no visitors{/td}
{td=192x@}
Watcher{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Jolteon42{/td}
{td=512x@}
block notty{/td}
{td=303x@}
Dead{/td}
{td=192x@}
Mafia Hooker{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
myusername22{/td}
{td=512x@}
surgeon jkang{/td}
{td=303x@}
surgeon erik{/td}
{td=192x@}
Surgeon{/td}
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{tr}
{td=117x@}
catgirl12466{/td}
{td=512x@}
Seems to have tracked ender, attempted to watch ender{/td}
{td=303x@}
Potato chat, watched Duffie, result "no visitors"{/td}
{td=192x@}
Watcher, Potato{/td}
{/tr}
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{td=117x@}
Aqua{/td}
{td=512x@}
Received Vissarion telegram, no action{/td}
{td=303x@}
No action{/td}
{td=192x@}
One-shot PR{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Mastersten{/td}
{td=512x@}
No action{/td}
{td=303x@}
No action{/td}
{td=192x@}
One-shot PR{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Naoh{/td}
{td=512x@}
Templar Chat with Hunter, Died{/td}
{td=303x@}
Dead{/td}
{td=192x@}
Templar{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Timdood3{/td}
{td=512x@}
Investigated Hunter, inno{/td}
{td=303x@}
Investigated Aqua, inno{/td}
{td=192x@}
Policeman{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Watermelon1388{/td}
{td=512x@}
No action{/td}
{td=303x@}
No action{/td}
{td=192x@}
One-shot PR{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
77thShad{/td}
{td=512x@}
Unknown, blocked by duffie{/td}
{td=303x@}
Potato chat, "tried to keep alive" erik{/td}
{td=192x@}
PR, Potato{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=117x@}
Infected_alien8_{/td}
{td=512x@}
No visit{/td}
{td=303x@}
No visit{/td}
{td=192x@}
PR{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
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