Blocktopia Mafia Season 4

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Vatowski

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Let’s talk about Dessern shall we. He claims to be the doctor, but IS HE? To be honest I am pretty sure that if anyone was the doctor they will keep their mouths shut about the fact of having such a KEY role in the game. Revealing it openly to the public is a very clumsy move. I have look in the old files, and I discovered that Dessern also played Mafia Lite V1. If we consider Mr. Jack as an “experienced” player, he should have known that revealing his role to the public would be a critical mistake. So was this a clever ruse? Or simply an accidental event? I can’t say at the moment because of Marnixxie’s post. Marnixxie’s post is really intriguing because he wants to lynch Dessern without posting a reason.


My reasoning:

1) Marnixxie is the cop and investigated Dessern that night.

OR

2) Marnixxie is the doctor and he is obviously opposing the impostor.

I will end my reasoning for now because I am really curious of what Marnixxie has to say.
 

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I will wait for Marn's post before I vote. Even though I originally thought Dess was telling the truth, I'm not sure now since the way dessern has handled the situation since but I'm far from voting dessern because look at the last few games. Season 2- killer the cop was lynched day 1 for voting straight off the bat. Season 3- me the cop well err went up against defiant and got lynched day 1 for contradicting myself. Do we want to risk killing the doctor day 1 aswell? Im personally leaning towards a no lynch but I'll wait for marn.
 

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I'm sorry that I'm a bit inactive with this thread, I don't have much time to be online on the forums. I mean, I haven't been on the server the whole week.

I don't have time for explaining defences etc now, school in half an hour.
I'll write later
 

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Hiiiiiii,

Finally got the chance to decently reply here.
In my eyes Dessern spoke too much at his very first reply after the first night.

Hmm I have my idea as of who to lynch for tonight...
Actions of mafia, but as well for the vigilante happen at night... Slip of the tongue? Sit in his role? Typo? Of course assuming that he is sitting in hi role, and by that slipped of the tongue is not the best reason to start with to accuse Dessern.

I dont think that the skeleton was aiming for notty actually. That might have been aiming for the zombie not knowing what they were.
How would you know? And I read that your argument relating to the murder of nottycat by the skeleton only has to deal with an appeal to the past? The past does not count here anymore, and the only thing I read in your message is a pressure from the town and/or from your possible own zombie group. The reason I feel like that, is because the was no need for both of the replies yet so far, roles are random and no one should be really knowing anything at the first day. Only thing you are doing now laying your cards on the table, when it is not even needed.

I will make the first accusation then. Jkangaroo I belive he is a zombie as during the night I found out his role which is indeed a zombie (anything else to add).
Alright, Dessern telling us that he has seen JKangaroo at night, and found out his role. Alright, then he is the cop and I was wro-

I am indeed the doctor (Fessing up will not help or damage me here) I will be putting my last night to a good use and protect myself. Rather try to stay a night and help one more day then die and not help at all.
What...? No, just no! Or you are trying to safe your own back for no reason as zombie, or you are saying you have such power roles, just to provoke people saying: "You are lying, I am the real doctor", which means that the zombies would know who to aim in the next coming nights.

If you are the real doctor, and going to protect yourself, fine. But in none of the replies yet so far you proved to be a doctor, except from just saying it. If I would have talked myself into a cul-de-sac, I would have at least told who I protected, to make people at least be more confident about my speeches, but you didn't!

I will admit I am horrible at this and when I reveal my role I look back it seeing it was a very poor choice. But I am not a mafia member I can promise you that.
If you find yourself horrible at this, why are you acting as the forerunner in the investigations, and at no point really giving anyone relevant information? You have already promised more or less to be the cop, and as well the doctor, how many more promises after this one do I get before you die in this game?

I admit I missed the bit saying the kitten saved a life and was forgetting I would be told if I saved a life... So I do agree our best course of action is a [.b] NO LYNCH!
With saying such thing, you are the complete opposite of a doctor and cop, if you are having a power role that could bring the town to victory, you most likely want to lynch someone, but you. Instead of that, you suggest a no lynch, for what? To save your ass?

Okay my posting did indeed slow down but I am going for a NO LYNCH I admit that I was ignorant of the fact that I would be told if I saved somebody.
You also could have told us who you tried, and why would you vote twice, desperate much? :p


I misread the entire night and have to deal with the consequences but either way you can try to lynch me now and kill the doctor or you can let me live through the night (protecting myself) then die the next night. If I dont die soon you will know that I did indeed lie to you but be wary of the fact that the mafia members are smart and try not to kill me to lead you to belive that I am mafia.
Even if you would die, with whatever role, at least we would have less confusion in the town, and live on with true cops/doctors/civilians, depending on what role you have. And even if you die now, the town will have a bigger chance of catching a zombie next time.

That's all
 

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I believe Dessern. The entire sequence of events make it out as a screw-up. He assumed the line in the story meant the mafia was saved by the doctor. Never did he say he investigated somebody. He protected JKangaroo, and tried to lynch him once he thought the mafia was saved by the doctor. Right after Alpha said both mafia and skeleton targeted notty, he retracted his vote. He could have went along with the fake cop/doctor claim and possibly killed JK, but he didn't.

Also:
Marnixxie said:
I would have at least told who I protected, to make people at least be more confident about my speeches, but you didn't!
By voting for JKangaroo, he basically told us that's who he protected.

Marnixxie said:
Even if you would die, with whatever role, at least we would have less confusion in the town, and live on with true cops/doctors/civilians, depending on what role you have. And even if you die now, the town will have a bigger chance of catching a zombie next time.]
It may also be without the one role that can save lives, and the mafia will have a better chance of killing at night.

To quote the mafia forums:
"However, against any village that endorses the strategies above, claiming doctor is suicide. Even if you are about to be lynched, getting CC'd during a doctor fakeclaim does nothing but delay the inevitable, as you will be forced to shoot the doctor anyway, then you will be lynched an investigative role even wasting a report on you. You will be forced to shoot the doctor because you can't afford to let a cop or tracker continue to investigate the rest of the village as well as your mafia buddies."

Claiming doctor is suicide. I doubt the mafia are going to set one of their mafia members up to die so they can kill off one innocent, ESPECIALLY on the first day of the game.

I'll reread the thread later and come up with who to vote to lynch.
 

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You also could have told us who you tried, and why would you vote twice, desperate much? :p
He voted twice because he failed at bolding his vote the first time... And he had to re-post his vote in order for his vote just to be valid... So... What?
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Anyways, what I'm getting from this is that, because Dessern has basically revealed his role, the Mafia has an obvious target in which to kill off, making his statement a suicide mission, so he really is not any use to the town at this point, because even if he stays alive, he will just attempt to save himself tonight, which the Mafia will expect, and basically just kill someone else, so the doctor will essentially not really be an asset / useful for the town because of this?
And because we do not actually know whether or not he is telling the truth, the best possible choice is to lynch dessern off: both because it would clear up some data to see if he is truly a townsperson, aka. the doctor, as well as the idea that the Mafia will most likely just kill him off anyways if he truly is the doctor?
That's just the idea I'm getting from this statement, so I'm most likely wrong because I very much do not see the main point of it.
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Anyways, I'm think I may just go ahead and vote "no lynch" sooner or later. If my summary of Marn's statement is correct, or even if its not, I believe there is a greater chance he is a doctor, and killing off a townsperson will most likely lessen the chance of the town winning, as we will have lost 6 people in the first 2 nights instead of 5 if we do not lynch.

And No, that was not a vote. If it is a vote, it would be bolded.
 

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Ok, I think I know who I'm voting. Before that, I want to give a likely sequence of events if Dessern is the doctor.
A. He dies at night.
B. He is left alive in the hopes that the town kill him, thinking he is mafia.
To my knowledge, he can only protect himself once. So, best case scenario for doc Dessern: We don't lynch him, he protects himself at night or the mafia/skeleton doesn't kill him, he somehow avoids being lynched on day 2, then he's probably going to be killed by the skeleton on night 3, as the doctor is a big threat to the skeleton. Dessern is pretty much going to die. Why waste a day lynching him on the chance he's lying?

Now, for who to vote. Prizyms. The reason for this is this quote:
I have read through the thread and nothing much has popped out at me. I'll go for a NO LYNCH.
We had somebody claim doctor, people calling for his head, and people defending him. Marnixxie promised a good reason as to why to lynch him. All this would all catch attention. Instead, a no lynch vote. And then, once Dessern had 3 votes against him, Prizyms voted for him without explaining why.

I could be wrong, yes. It's the biggest hunch I have, and I'm going with it. I vote Prizyms.
 

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I agree with Sploorky. Prizyms hasn't actually said anything at all, except the odd statement, and to suddenly change their vote when everyone else does looks suspicious to me. From what I can see, he seems to just be voting for whoever has the most lynch-votes against them, which could easily mean that he is a member of the Mafia. I have decided to vote to lynch Prizyms.
 

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Ok, I don't want to risk lynching the doctor (even though he is useless now but it's still a mislynch) so unless marn persuaded me, I would no lynch only because there was no other evidence. But now, sploorky has caught prizums as being very quiet, nothing to add but is getting enough posts to fly under the radar when we look for inactive people.
I think voting pryzums is the best bet for today.

I also Vote Pryzums
 
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