- potentially leads to a WIFOM loop to get our brains screwed around in, for example, what if they see this, and decide to not kill you off, giving everyone a feeling of trust towards this accomplice you mention, when in fact they are a member of the mafia, but everyone now trusts them. I'm felling kinda dizzy at the moment, so please excuse any fatally flawed logic
- potentially leads to a WIFOM loop to get our brains screwed around in, for example, what if they see this, and decide to not kill you off, giving everyone a feeling of trust towards this accomplice you mention, when in fact they are a member of the mafia, but everyone now trusts them. I'm felling kinda dizzy at the moment, so please excuse any fatally flawed logic
I hoped no-one would notice. But it's simple really.
I believe that because I am voting storm that the mafia would kill me tonight. Therefor I state that if I die I will reveal another mafia member. This is so that I might have ensurance on my safety tonight. And that if I don't die, the person I believe is mafia will be cleared of a name. The mafia can either call bluff on me and kill me to see if I spoke the truth, or believe me and not kill me tonight.
And to speak the truth, I actualy do have a person in mind that could easely be mafia if storm is mafia. We'll see when this day is over I guess
I personally think that sticking your neck out pretty much clears your name, and I trust you a bit more. You have good reasoning, so hopefully they don't kill you! ^-^ Unless you are mafia and are screwing all of us over, which is always possible.
Or, I could be mafia, covering for you, and for myself by saying that, and then adding that bit at the end. Never fully trusting anyone is a good initial course of action, keep in mind.
Or, I could be mafia, covering for you, and for myself by saying that, and then adding that bit at the end. Never fully trusting anyone is a good initial course of action, keep in mind.
Exactly. Either that or the mafia wants us to think that JKangaroo is with them so that we will lynch him when they know that he is experienced and he could help the town win.
Well, well, well. What have we here?
Curious. Why have I suddenly been pulled into and centered around such controversial arguments; It makes me deeply troubled.
-sigh-
First, let me state that if I am being suspected here, I do not deny it.
Whenever I post, unless I am being directly accused and must defend myself, or if pretending to be a civilian allows me to win, then I will do so. Otherwise, I always keep my position open and up to suspect, because let's be honest...
...How is it that you can believe what role I truly am? That is indeed the case, because the only "truth" that can be derived from any player is that only the Host themselves, and the player in question, know their specific roles.
Can you trust that person? or can you not? Once again, that is up to you, because as I always say...
"...There is still always that chance that the one you believe most to be your friend, is truly, your enemy..."
So, go ahead and suspect me if you wish... ...However, do not do it in the way that has been presented here today.
I was hoping these matters were laid to rest in the past, yet they seem to continue to resurface, continue to rise from between the cracks of memories...
The essential notion of the first post from storm speaks this simple idea: more experienced players will be targeted first, and should they still believe alive, they should be most up to be of suspect...
...Which, I always dub to be ludicrous and a completely unreliable idea for any player to follow.
The roles are randomized, the opinions and bias and thoughts of players continually shifting, and every role a secret until revealed to truth by either death, or a "confirmed" cop (without the chance of him being the contact) showing such a role in question.
There are too many factors, to many circumstances and "what if's" that could occur.
You cannot rely on silly stereotypical questions to base your suspicions on such as "This player is skilled, he could be Mafia" or "This player is quiet, he must be Mafia," so on, and so on.
If you wish to suspect me, or anyone else for that matter, so be it. However, if you begin your suspicions with this idea automatically implied within the sentence itself, I will not take it seriously, and will consider it un-trustable testimony.
...
...However, if I must answer the question of:
Well... I believe I stated the reason in a previous season, did I not? Anyways, myself, being experienced in both the Town and Mafia-sided parties in my lifetime in forum Mafia, I must say I have spent significantly spent more time playing the role of a snitch, a Mafia member, in the majority of the Season's I have been apart of.
In my experience, I must say that the answer is simple: I've seen to have noticed a trend which can normally be relied upon, and I must say was fairly prevalent and noticeable last season. The fact remains that: "Why, as Mafia, kill off the most experienced players at a time when they pose no threat to you and instead, are being most suspected and watched by the rest of the playerbase?" Which, I might add, consists of the Vigilante AND Serial killer as well.
Kill 2 birds with 1 stone, as they say... And in this case, kill off the other players in the pool and leave the dirty work and have the guilt be laid upon by both the Vigilante and the Serial killer. Unless the situation called for it, it was best to leave those most suspected during the day, or those whom are deemed "experienced" to fall at the hands of others. That... was a rule I always tried to stick by, and honestly, was a fairly reliable way to play the game.
This can most likely be the case with Fruit, as it was, indeed, the Mafia, and not the Vigilante nor Serial Killer, whom killed Fruit. We could have a skilled member in the Mafia, true. We could also have a player who's read this tactic before (as I'm certain I stated this in a past season). Or, we could just have a tricky player, who knows how to play their cards right, and that, can essentially just be anyone.
Just... a little food for thought there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now, I want to address another issue I have in a specific post:
Another person I am suspicious of is Sploorky. On Day 0 when he asked the players to answer all those questions it made me very suspicious. I thought it could be a way to eliminate the ones who had the right suspicions in the beginning. I didn't say anything for fear that they would kill me in the night, (but I've decided to come out with it, realizing the town will probably lynch me before this would ever happen.)
Another issue I had hoped would be laid to rest after another player, that being the deceased: Defiant_Blob, also stated something similar to being suspicious of players whom answered or proposed questions were most likely Mafia and could be used to their advantage...
...Which is true. However, any post can be twisted or used toward any players advantage. (am I doing it right now? Perhaps. ). Now, I do not want to go into to much detail after I already stated my thoughts on such a topic in my 1 previous post regarding Defiant (if you didn't read it already), but...
In all my days of forum Mafia, feeling suspicious, especially out of the blue, on... "QUESTIONS?!" Honestly, that just feels absolutely crazy in my eyes. Again, what are the point of questions: To spur an exchange in a what would be either a rushed scenario (in that case a no-lynch), or to spur discussion in an event of a drought of discussion (which is also in the case of these questions proposed by Sploorky).
Honestly, what could we talk about on a "Day Zero" so to speak? I mean, nothing has occurred. It is a day before the actual game begins. We do not know what will happen, we have no leads. Day 0 was essentially just to get all of our thoughts together, and instead of going into this season blind, we would AT LEAST, have a decent idea of where our alliances were, and whom we could believe to be our enemies.
Again, you could say the Mafia was using those questions in order to assist them... But I could still say the same that such questions and again, "Any post," can still be used against any player. Because... ....You are essentially using those questions against Sploorky in that post of yours, are you not?
Again... Just a little food for thought. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I cannot say anything for Defiant... But for myself, I can say that personally, after a number of seasons playing alongside of Defiant, I can safely say that I can never trust Defiant in terms of his testimony or posts... at least, as a fellow player in a Mafia game.
Defiant still holds large influence in these Seasons, and thus, it can be used to his advantage. Although being Mafia himself last season, balloon felt Defiant did a clever idea with the lyncher: (at least that is what I am perceiving from this)
1st question: To be fair I would say Defiant_Blob since I think a lot of people underestimated him because of him testing out the lyncher with a new play style he still is very smart and clever in this game.
And I still hold to that statement at this very moment. It is nothing personal, purely my opinion and position in this current predicament.
Does this relationship with Defiant on my end make me suspicious because he was the one to die this night?: - A possibility. Could I be the vigilante because of this circumstance?: - A possibility. Could I also be the Serial Killer because of this as well?: - Again, a possibility.
It all comes down to the fact that you have to decide on whom you want to believe you can trust, and whom you can't, so make that decision wisely, and be prepared to change it at a moment notice, because someone could backstab you at any moment, and the evidence / argument you thought to be sound, could just be a clever ploy or wrong in its entirety.
Be careful. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Now... After reading through these past few pages, I noticed a specific discussion and I thought, "How interesting." This discussion, though not referencing me personally, did discuss a role which I am affiliated with in some respect and I thought,
"Why not create a bit of controversy, speculation, and a flair of drama?"
"Why not... make this season just... That much more interesting? --- Despite the risk I am putting on myself."
Now, the discussion I am referring to began a particular "road to ruin," whom began a little discussion in terms of the "Copycat."
Here is the, "small," discussion in whole:
I really think that this copycat thing isn't gonna work in our favour. We're just gonna be like; 'Yay! We killed the serial killer!' And then it'll turn out that we've ended up with 2 killers, or 2 godfathers or something less that beneficial.
Now, I can understand that people would be worried about the Copycat, as there is the chance that--- there is essentially a "2nd" of ANY POWER-ROLE---- then again, there is just as likely of a chance of being a normal civilian, though that doesn't prove or take away the idea of the other.
The copycat is dangerous if in the wrong hands...
...Especially... If they chose a Mafia member or the Serial killer, both playing their cards against the town, and making it "THAT" much more difficult to win in the end-game...
...However, I hope to put those fears to rest, for I know for certain that... The copycat visited myself during the night, and have thus, copied my role. There is now... Two, of my respective role.
Now...
If you believe you can trust me, and believe I truly am, on the side of the town, then congratulations, then you have nothing to worry about in terms of the Copycat.
If I am a power-role, then should I die, then you have another whom can step up and take my place. If I am merely a civilian, then in the end, nothing was lost or gained besides an extra civilian to take the brunt of the nightly attacks until you are able to find the chance to kill off the Mafia and win the day...
...Or loose, if you cannot succeed in that task, which is again, always a possibility.
And I guess this could also, you could put it...
A...
..."Threat," so to speak, to those whom I am against in this season, for even if I am killed, whether by lynch, by dishonorable backstabbing, by nightly attack, by anything, then I shall not truly die.
My...
..."Apprentice," all for dramatic flair of course, will still be there, with the same role: a duplicate.
And unless they can find that role, whatever "MY" role is, will still live on in my stead.
Again, whether you choose to believe I am town-sided or not, as I have stated throughout this post and a number in the past, such opinions are purely up to you to decide.
What does your heart tell you?
What does the evidence show?
Will you take... If any!... "That" chance?
Are you prepared to face the worst if that is the case?
And are you ready to revel if you are correct?
...
Only time will tell, of course.
Obviously I am not going to disclose my true role, if it is indeed anything but the civilian role, nor am I going to reveal that of the copycat.
If the copycat did not wish for me to reveal that they we are partners in this affair, then I apologize.
But, please, do not even show your identity unless the case is necessary.
And of course, I wish you good-luck should I die.
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If you are wondering why I am posting so much in this single post, and why I am touching on many a trivial post or controversial or thought provoking----
And creating such a controversial piece of evidence as proven by the final point I procured in this lengthy post, then it is simply this:
I, personally, DO believe, that myself, will not be making it that far into this season.
After my performance as the sole surviving Mafia member in the previous season, and after being put into this position as an "experienced player," I personally feel quite targeted...
... AND, should anything go wrong and I DO die, then I wanted to post anything and everything I have a problem with, or something I feel will provoke discussion or push the game forward.
Also seeing that the very first "legitimate" vote was cast recently, I will also not reveal my position in the case of suspecting "Storm," quite yet.
Instead, I will ask you this:
Can the ideas against Storm be proven, strongly agreed with, or backed up by previous evidence?
Are you certain about this and have you thought out the other possibilities? Are you suspicious of anything? Have you over-looked anything?
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Where do YOU stand in terms of these recent revelations and ideas and theories?
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You must decide for yourselves, of course.
Hmm I didnt expect a vote that soon but okay then.
Not sure about joining the vote on storm aince it seems like every season people team up on him. I think I will vote a bit later and alao to those who havent spoken yet your going to need to unless like last season you want to get lynched off for not talking.
I am not sure on what to do the mafia killing on Ninja I think was probably just to confuse us since he didnt really say much of anything on day 0 and they didnt go after people like JKanfaroo who was suspected by alot so I got nothing on what they are trying to accomplish.
Then again who knows maybe they are just trying toget vig and serial killer to do all the work which means vigilante , choose carefully who to kill and dont only go for experienced players since as seen in last season I was in the mafia and didnt kill off defiant or Alpha 2 very good players so that is another reason not to use that tactic because the mafia sometimes likes to let the good players play which is how I felt last season.
That's a very nice and long post you have there. However I do not believe your claim about the copycat copying you. I actualy think that You are the copycat and copied someone. This does not change anything though. You are still the same role and we don't know what that is =S
As for the questions: Can the ideas against Storm be proven, strongly agreed with, or backed up by previous evidence? Don't think so. I only have that which I quoted earlier as evidence. Some people agree with me that it is supsicious and a mafia move. Are you certain about this and have you thought out the other possibilities? Yes, I am certain. And I don't see other possibilities that him being mafia. I don't think a towny would have said that in a first post after the story. And not even bringing up the death of the doctor..... Are you suspicious of anything? Yes, but if I'd say it I will be dead tonight I think. It's a long shot anyways. Have you over-looked anything? No, I don't think so.
That's a very nice and long post you have there. However I do not believe your claim about the copycat copying you. I actualy think that You are the copycat and copied someone. This does not change anything though. You are still the same role and we don't know what that is =S
As for the questions: Can the ideas against Storm be proven, strongly agreed with, or backed up by previous evidence? Don't think so. I only have that which I quoted earlier as evidence. Some people agree with me that it is supsicious and a mafia move. Are you certain about this and have you thought out the other possibilities? Yes, I am certain. And I don't see other possibilities that him being mafia. I don't think a towny would have said that in a first post after the story. And not even bringing up the death of the doctor..... Are you suspicious of anything? Yes, but if I'd say it I will be dead tonight I think. It's a long shot anyways. Have you over-looked anything? No, I don't think so.
I figured that I should go ahead and release all of my suspicions early on this season and contribute to the conversation more. I knew that would cast more suspicion upon me, but I figured I wouldn't last long anyway based on last season, so I said go for it! And no, I did not bring up the death of the doctor, because I knew that's what everyone else would be posting about. Oh yes it's a shame the doctor's dead, but the fact that the doctor is dead doesn't move the conversation any closer to justice for our town.
Also, be wary of those who say things that are easily agreeable. Mafia will try to avoid conflict, so they'll say stuff that everyone agrees with. It makes them more likable and makes them seem town.
This is excactly the reason I was afraid to post my suspicions on you, because I want to try and live longer than I do normal in seasons. But I also like to keep mafia forward, Thereform Storm886 is my vote. And if you turn out to be mafia, I think I know who another of your mafia friends is. I found that out due some posts that have been made earlier. It's a long shot, but if I die tonight by the mafia I will be sure that that person is with the mafia too. And if I'm dead then I'll use all my last words to take that person down ^_^. Ofcourse if you turn out to be non-mafia or if I'd survive magically then that person is obviously not teaming with you.
How exactly am I avoiding conflict? It was planned, that's the truth. I replied to his post. And accusing another person of being anti-town doesn't seem like avoiding conflict to me.
You are going to be very disappointed notty when you see my role on Alpha's post.
Without much struggle the town escorts storm to the sacrificial pyramid. After saying a few solemn warnings he is punted right off. His death would benefit the town little as he was a civilian.
That question really sounds to me like you are framing JK. Like you are trying to get us to lynch JK. And in the next quote you explain excactly what you are trying to do.
Exactly. Either that or the mafia wants us to think that JKangaroo is with them so that we will lynch him when they know that he is experienced and he could help the town win.
You've just put my mafia sensor on red alert, I have to say that looks far too coincidental for my liking, in fact it looks so planned its rather obvious
To say that its a mafia 101 tactic wouldn't be far off the bat in this case I believe.
Bandwagon post. I think you're anti-town. You haven't contributed much to the conversation either, but then again many haven't. I can feel it in my gut. I would like to vote for Old_Man_Oak_63.
Without much struggle the town escorts storm to the sacrificial pyramid. After saying a few solemn warnings he is punted right off. His death would benefit the town little as he was a civilian.
Well, I don't think I'll be disappointed at all. As I think you're still mafia. And this is a new season, new roles. Just because it turned out bad last season doesn't mean it's bad this season.
Bandwagon post. I think you're anti-town. You haven't contributed much to the conversation either, but then again many haven't. I can feel it in my gut. I would like to vote for Old_Man_Oak_63.
This vote feels like you are trying to find a reason to vote someone else. And the closest thing to suspicion you could find was his post where he agreed with me. Maybe I'm looking terribly wrong on this but that postn is only onther way you seem mafia to me.
Without much struggle the town escorts storm to the sacrificial pyramid. After saying a few solemn warnings he is punted right off. His death would benefit the town little as he was a civilian.
Well, I don't think I'll be disappointed at all. As I think you're still mafia. And this is a new season, new roles. Just because it turned out bad last season doesn't mean it's bad this season.
Bandwagon post. I think you're anti-town. You haven't contributed much to the conversation either, but then again many haven't. I can feel it in my gut. I would like to vote for Old_Man_Oak_63.
This vote feels like you are trying to find a reason to vote someone else. And the closest thing to suspicion you could find was his post where he agreed with me. Maybe I'm looking terribly wrong on this but that postn is only onther way you seem mafia to me.
Yes, just because it turned out bad last season doesn't mean it's bad this season. You don't know that, but I know that is the case. That is just there so I can point out on my final post that I warned you in advance. :)
I wasn't trying to find a reason to vote someone else. I was trying to find someone to vote for. And Old_Man_Oak has "my mafia sensor on red alert." I mean we can't use another no lynch this round. And JKangaroo, Sploorky, and balloon have made me suspicious but nothing yet that would make me want to vote them out this round. They really keep the conversation interesting. Old_Man_Oak's post is extremely suspicious and he hasn't contributed much to the conversation. So I rather take the risk on someone who isn't contributing much rather than someone who is the top contributor.
Well, that post seems alright. Not great but its good enough. Even though I still don't believe the warning part . It's time we need other's opinion about this now.
Storm's the most suspicious person here imo, but I'd like discussion to go further before I vote.
For the questions I asked, I wasn't looking for the answers you gave, because they could be used against you. I was looking for the reason you gave them, to form early opinions/suspicions on people. Also slightly late, but I think the whole "If you answer the questions, you could be mafia because you want to appear town" is silly. In my eyes, if you're not answering, it doesn't mean you aren't contributing. The amount of times we could WIFOM off of that idea is immense, so I doubt we will get any suspicions off of who did and didn't answer.
Nothings happening, there's no pressure. If I wanted to wait around holding my thumbs while for someone *Cough cough JK cough* to do something (IE make posts, make evidence, vote) than I would go play Super DMV adventures.
Storm's the most suspicious person here imo, but I'd like discussion to go further before I vote.
For the questions I asked, I wasn't looking for the answers you gave, because they could be used against you. I was looking for the reason you gave them, to form early opinions/suspicions on people. Also slightly late, but I think the whole "If you answer the questions, you could be mafia because you want to appear town" is silly. In my eyes, if you're not answering, it doesn't mean you aren't contributing. The amount of times we could WIFOM off of that idea is immense, so I doubt we will get any suspicions off of who did and didn't answer.
Bandwagon post. I think you're anti-town. You haven't contributed much to the conversation either, but then again many haven't. I can feel it in my gut. I would like to vote for Old_Man_Oak_63.
Just woke up and, okay I'll give you a bit of depth to where I'm at at the moment.
So quite obviously my first issue at hand is this little piece here.
Exactly. Either that or the mafia wants us to think that JKangaroo is with them so that we will lynch him when they know that he is experienced and he could help the town win.
There are two things that make me very suspicious about it.
1. It puts the spotlight on JKangaroo, when there is little evidence to say he is or isn't mafia.
2. It happened very quickly, and was also the first thing posted. This leads me to think that storm, wanted it to be seen by everyone.
To me it just looked like you were setting up JKangaroo and trying to manipulate people into thinking he was mafia. This was rather neatly explained by notty, which is why I didn't end up saying much on the topic.
However my suspicions don't stop at you, as I said, it looked far too coincidental to not have been a planned tactic.
Furthermore if I'm right, and I think JK might have hinting about it with this Are you certain about this and have you thought out the other possibilities? Are you suspicious of anything? Have you over-looked anything? I think what JK is trying to point out here is the possibility of something else happening in this situation. So much suspicion has been laid on storm and yet superstein seems to have gone with the wind. Interesting much? Unfortunately I have no evidence yet in regards to super, however at this point what I feel is.
I think that both superstein or storm are mafia, they both had a hand in bringing JK under suspicion, and as I say, it looked like a planned strategy by the two of them. Right now I would like to hear from superstein as he has only posted a single line of text this day.
Lastly I'd just like to point out that
Bandwagon post. I think you're anti-town. You haven't contributed much to the conversation either, but then again many haven't. I can feel it in my gut. I would like to vote for Old_Man_Oak_63.
Yeah I didn't end up saying a lot on the topic, notty explained what I was thinking and rather neatly too, however the fact that you are trying to push suspicion off yourself and onto me on such a trivial piece of evidence, it makes me suspect you even further, so for now I vote for storm886
I'm still a bit surprised/confused why Fruitninja was lynched. Since he doesn't have much experience on the game like others. I searched for Fruit's posts in the game before he was lynched. Fruit was having suspicious towards Sploorky the whole time. Maybe that's a reason why he was lynched?
IF Sploorky it's part of the mafia maybe he just wanted to go for a "new" player. And why not Fruit? Since he's new AND he was "against" Sploorky.
Then I read Storm having some suspicious towards Sploorky, and now Sploorky it's all against Storm. Saying "Storm's the most suspicious person here...".
It just looks weird how Sploorky jumps towards someone if they are against him.
Oh and I just found a bit weird that Sploorky said "Wait why are people voting Oak". Maybe he was trying to "save" Oak? And drive all the attention to Storm?
I'm just not 100% sure yet. I'm just trying to look for hints and information.
Sploorky isnt jumping on people saince from what I have seen he has reason to since Oak got voted randomly and storm does seem suspicious with the posts he has made. I admit Ninja dying after only saying he is suspicious of sploorky does seem reasonable but I dont think anyone would do that because people then would immediately lynch sploorky so that seems to be too bad of an idea for anyone to do.
I was hesitant on voting storm but after the voting on Oak on one piece of evidence while it took others to vote for y after about 4 pieces which now makes me want to vote storm886
