Being skeptical of what everyone says doesnt sound like a mafia member, more like a scared civilian. I'm not exactly ready to throw super under the bus just yet but.. "Because yolo" makes me seriously question his reliability
Like what Hype said, I personally disagree with this statement. Try looking from the mafia's point of view. Would you be someone who would risk your life hurling accusing statements at Tom, Dick and Harry? If you are from the mafia, you would be slightly more relaxed considering you are the one who can make a move that can affect someone's life as compared to a powerless civilian who can only rely on a group of people to lynch someone, and at a higher risk of being attacked at night. I still do have my suspicions against him though.
Anyway, I agree with Ltin. I am always suspicious of people to the very end. I never want to trust anybody for they can and will lynch/kill me if needed. But I am now wavering to go with the arguments against superstein
This specific post made me wonder a bit though. If your role will save you then why wait for you to be in a spot of serious danger? I have always seemed that it is best to claim earlier so that you don't run those risks.
I think the conversation is running a bit dry, here are a few questions that will hopefully spark some more conversation. Who is most suspicious to you at this point?
Who are you most likely going to vote for? For what reason?
Who is most suspicious to you at this point?
I am quite suspicious of people who are quick to vote more as a team, such as Super and 77, Omo and Notty
It seemed like 77 was trying to divert attention away from super by voting for Ltin, and Notty was quick to join in voting for super when Omo was being accused and voted for.
Who are you most likely going to vote for? For what reason?
My hands are up in the air at the moment, Im leaning towards super but I have no idea at all. Anything could happen (Time to listen to Ellie Goulding c: )
Who is most suspicious to you at this point?
I'm actually a little suspicious of everyone. Since I just replaced Dill's role, I'm still a little slow at catching up. I haven't confirmed those who seem the most suspicious to me yet, so I'll wait for a few more posts.
Who are you most likely to vote for?
Wait for me to get my lazy ass moving and properly read through all the posts again before I confirm who to vote for :u
Anyway, I agree with Ltin. I am always suspicious of people to the very end. I never want to trust anybody for they can and will lynch/kill me if needed. But I am now wavering to go with the arguments against superstein
This specific post made me wonder a bit though. If your role will save you then why wait for you to be in a spot of serious danger? I have always seemed that it is best to claim earlier so that you don't run those risks.
But if you wait until the last second, people might call bluff on you, provided you don't have definite proof, which can only really be derived from a Mayor using a double-vote to prove their innocence.
This specific post made me wonder a bit though. If your role will save you then why wait for you to be in a spot of serious danger? I have always seemed that it is best to claim earlier so that you don't run those risks.
This specific post made me wonder a bit though. If your role will save you then why wait for you to be in a spot of serious danger? I have always seemed that it is best to claim earlier so that you don't run those risks.
I agree with super here, I've done this about 2 or 3 times in mafia now. And it meant death for me. People won't believe you anyways. The only time I survived the day I said it was when I was the contact and lied about being the cop. However, it is never the right time to claim. As who will believe you?
Who is most suspicious to you at this point?
Super. But most suspicious is a big word. I'm not that suspicious of super, but I have no supicions on other people. So I'm just more suspicious of super than others. But not much more. I can tell you who I am not suspicious of. 77 and Old. Both have enough evidence for me to think they are a towny. So I trust em.
Who are you most likely going to vote for? For what reason?
Super. For yolo voting. And the posts made after that.
How, strange.
Seems I'm finally being thrown under the rug, certainly no one seems a tad suspicious of my absence from the game while going on a frenzy on all the other, poor sods. How tragic.
Perhaps it's a nice change of pace, at least I'm finally fulfilling that idea of me not posting as much which I wanted to try out in a previous season but ended up doing exactly the opposite.
#no-one-suspects-the-Spanish-Inquisition
Actually, I've been trying to keep up, but the lack of alerts (slightly unhelpful) at times, and just a sense of just generally laziness and ignorance on my part haven't exactly mixed well with my enthusiasm in posting. I normally try to post during the late-hours because trying to post while alerts fly in this thread is a bit infuriating cause things are constantly shifting and you don't get a good or general idea or seeing any suspicious movements and dirty dealings that could be hiding under the surface, that posting right away and in rapid succession just doesn't get you.
Plus reading/typing in the late hours = bad chemistry for making you fall asleep in the middle of it.
(Plus being assigned summer projects just a few weeks shy of school kind of makes you not be spending most of your time on the interwebs!)
Really, taking your time seems to be best, because at the moment, I see so many random, awkward, and just general arguments based on little, to almost no evidence at all, and it seems its drawing people at too many different conclusions, and keeping people in a state of Biased-opinionation which keeps them from looking at the other possibilities.
First, let me clear up a statement found directly at the beginning of this day:
Abstains nromally lower the amount of votes needed to complete the voting process,
So if you want this time to be used wisely and you disagree with a no-lynch so far, then normally abstain's aren't recommended.
They aren't particularly useful anyways so I recommend not abstaining.
I don't understand. This is a similar case in which I feel such that such a remark makes little sense and feels ludicrous, just as where my stance on Defiant's (fairly silly) claim that people who don't answer questions are most likely not Mafia (which is 100% untrue, it can be anyone.), I have the same stance on this arguments.
Although personally, I knew road was really just joking around here (because really, how could it not be a joke?). Just as my argument against Defiant's claim, just as questions have been done numerous times over the course of every Mafia season, we have also had people whom are new to the game here on our forums, with the leader of the charge, Defiant himself, always saying and warning people that abstains are useless. They make votes easier to accomplish, and really, unless everyone is in 100% certainty that a particular player is guilty, then any number of votes between a lynch and a no lynch for that particular person is a time in which players can step in between the bandwagon and present evidence and outcomes and just general ideas which can clear, a most likely innocent person.
Plus, we found out that Road was in fact the Godfather. Taking a post of the Godfather as reliable suspicions seem a bit--- Counter-intuitive doesn't it? In the end I would say it would make you more suspicious trying to push a Mafia's remark, even if that remark was intended as a joke.
This is why I feel so bad for succumbing to my laziness and ignorance on the 2nd day. I really should have posted. Honestly, when I made my previous post, I was being silly. I wanted to act "Mysterious!... woo~~ *waves hands around...*" and honestly, I never really got my point across at the end.
Honestly, I guess I was about in the same boat as 77(?) in which I did not believe that storm was suspicious. When writing those "questions" for people to look at the end of my previous post in regards to storm, I wanted players to go back and look at all the arguments made against him, and to see if, "were those really substantial enough to convict him of his supposed crime? or in actuality, were such claims just overly exaggerated, and backed behind support by some of, perhaps the MOST vocal players on the table currently?"
Now then, with that out of the way, let's let the accusations fly, shall we?
If you took any hint at what I was nudging at from my word so far, then you should be seeing where I am going with this. As it stands, I feel superstein is in exactly the same predicament as storm was: being pressured, put into a corner, and essentially being attacked on by a select group of people based on useless conjecture and bad evidence. Of course, it's only bad evidence in my opinion, and that can differ on a person by person basis, let the reader be warned.
However, as it stands, we're only 2 "real" days into the game, having done 1 lynch already and most likely focusing on a 2nd should no one step in, or should a time limit be enacted. In those two game days, as well as the free day given to us, there's been a back and forth between two particular players whom I have not necessarily been taking glances at for the majority of this game. Why? I'm not sure, but at the moment, clearly it feels like no one else, or at least, very few of us, are looking in their direction.
Yes, in all aspects, one should always be sticking to this philosophy when playing forum Mafia. No one can be trusted, though, again as I said before, it should always be a healthy skepticism, and not overly biased.
But, I'm certain you aren't exactly worried about being suspected... are you? I mean, despite the claims of being scared of being picked off in the night, which you seem to do a lot recently, and I believe there was even a post in which you said yourself that you stated "if I die I will surely release a role" as some kind of warning to the Mafia so you wouldn't die in the night, as you put it, a sort of, "insurance." (note I cannot exactly find the exact quote mainly because I'm rushing this and would like to get back and finishing these projects)
However, it doesn't seem like you have to worry about much really, because from what I've seen of the thread so far, it truly appears that the rest of the players just seem to be, how would you put it?--- Eating out of the palms of both you and Jivvi's hands. It may be an over-reaction, but after reading again through the thread, it seems true. Throughout the entire game so far it feels as if you two are playing off of each other, throwing remarks and posts around like nothing at times. You both even posted in succession on that you were not suspicious of each other, saying "sticking your neck out" makes you less suspicious in your eyes, which I believe was exactly the thing Defiant was warning us NOT to be fooling ourselves with. It feels like you are both manipulating us.
Storm's case was with notty. "He's avoiding confrontation?" Not really, in fact, he seemed to be the one creating confrontation and controversy, no one else. People just seemed to jump on the idea of it with you, Notty, leading the charge. Jivvi has a number of posts that don't seem to add up either.
I've sifted through super's posts and posts against him, and I think that it's safe to say that the evidence agaisnt him outweighs the evidence in his favour. I vote forsuperstein because of this.
May I please ask, what evidence is their against super besides a few jokes here and there. Are we seriously jumping on the "yolo" bandwagon just because of a little, silly vote? Really? I'm a little disappointed in you Notty, for being the one who doesn't feel that super is that suspicious enough for a vote (yet) but voting anyways. Hmm...
Honestly, if I must, I actually have to say I am not suspicious of you Notty, at least, in retrospect. I would put my suspicions more-so in line with your suspicions regarding Super: I'm suspicious, just not suspicious enough to garner a vote. However, I do feel you are trying to benefit the town in some way, though you can never tell. In fact, I have a sneaking suspicion on what your true roll is Notty, and the more I think about it, the more I feel I can actually trust you as a person..... ...But maybe not your arguments.
Now, this may just be my Ego talking, but, I have a theory. Day 0, there was no reason for it to be there, but it was nice of Alpha nonetheless. We had SIGNIFICANT progress on determining people's stances on Day 0, and aloud a better and clearer judgement on actual events and people, whether new or old.
However, who died the following night?: Welp, Defiant of course. However, its not my point on WHO died, but BY WHOM?: and the answer is simple: It was both the Vigilante and the Serial killer. Where was the Mafia then? Wouldn't they want to kill skilled players across the board as well? Welp, I guess not, because they killed Fruit instead, a new-comer to the game. I believe I have already stated why the mafia would choose someone like Fruit:
ansoro was the second target of the mafia, and again he wasn't a very outspoken person, which is probably why he was targeted, with the doctor gone I have no doubt the mafia are doing all they can to find our remaining power roles. Anyone who is either withdrawn and not often spoken, or seemingly holding back information or opinion who ISN't a mafia member will most likely be targeted tonight.
It's not because of this, but rather, the idea that, why should the Mafia kill prime-targets, the talkative and leading players, rather then everyone else? Easy: Because they have such high suspicions and targets on their backs, the mafia can normally leave it to the Vigilante and the Serial killer to do their dirty work. Any power-roles in the rest of the pool are just an extra on the side.
However, Why would both the Serial Killer and Vigilante go after Defiant? I mean--- I can see the reasons for the Serial Killer: Kill one of the experienced players before they become a threat, which although I hate it as a lynching-argument, is a strong argument in terms of nightly-deaths. However, why the Vigilante? There were no suspicions on Defiant, Defiant seemed to be mainly pro-town in a lot of his posts (at least, seeing his ratings.), and really, the only person whom seemed mildly against a lot of the things Defiant said that entire free-day was me: Jkangaroo. Again, may just be my ego talking, but I feel like the Vigilante choose Defiant because of that post.
And my most likely suspect?: Honestly, I feel like your the Vigilante. In my head, using the theory, you seem like the most likely candidate as vigilante. You may not come out as it, but until another player comes out and says their the vigilante, or the real vigilante dies, I'm going to assume your that role.
On the other hands--- I believe digitalmez is the serial Killer. Why?: Cause #yolo. (Love you digi <3). Random hunch of course. No true basis--- unless i'm not letting in on everything I want to say of course.
Anyways, because of that, I don't believe in suspecting you Notty, however, I have the sneaking suspicion that Jivvi isn't telling us the whole truth. Again, because I am rushing this, I have not had the best ability to explain everything I wanted, but I wanted to make a post at least ONCE before I was marked as inactive by Alpha. Hopefully one of my extremely long posts helps counter that. ^-^ It'll probably easy to counter some stuff I said, but again, I was rushing.
Because of this suspicion, I formally vote to lynch Jivvi.
Also: I still see my little controversy the other day didn't gain any responses besides 1. Oh well. ^-^ At least, I know I can trust 1 person to not be evil.
However, it doesn't seem like you have to worry about much really, because from what I've seen of the thread so far, it truly appears that the rest of the players just seem to be, how would you put it?--- Eating out of the palms of both you and Jivvi's hands. It may be an over-reaction, but after reading again through the thread, it seems true. Throughout the entire game so far it feels as if you two are playing off of each other, throwing remarks and posts around like nothing at times. You both even posted in succession on that you were not suspicious of each other, saying "sticking your neck out" makes you less suspicious in your eyes, which I believe was exactly the thing Defiant was warning us NOT to be fooling ourselves with. It feels like you are both manipulating us.
Storm's case was with notty. "He's avoiding confrontation?" Not really, in fact, he seemed to be the one creating confrontation and controversy, no one else. People just seemed to jump on the idea of it with you, Notty, leading the charge. Jivvi has a number of posts that don't seem to add up either.
I though storm was mafia. And so I tried to convince everyone that storm was mafia because I was pretty sure he was. I was wrong though. Yes, I try to "manipulate" people to see suspicion. But thats just my way of doing things =P As for jivvi, I feel like I can trust him. And also you. Because road accused you two. Sure, it might have been a joke-accusion. But I don't think mafia would make a joke-accusion on one of their own. Which is why I don't think you two are mafia.
I've sifted through super's posts and posts against him, and I think that it's safe to say that the evidence agaisnt him outweighs the evidence in his favour. I vote forsuperstein because of this.
May I please ask, what evidence is their against super besides a few jokes here and there. Are we seriously jumping on the "yolo" bandwagon just because of a little, silly vote? Really? I'm a little disappointed in you Notty, for being the one who doesn't feel that super is that suspicious enough for a vote (yet) but voting anyways. Hmm...
Honestly, if I must, I actually have to say I am not suspicious of you Notty, at least, in retrospect. I would put my suspicions more-so in line with your suspicions regarding Super: I'm suspicious, just not suspicious enough to garner a vote. However, I do feel you are trying to benefit the town in some way, though you can never tell. In fact, I have a sneaking suspicion on what your true roll is Notty, and the more I think about it, the more I feel I can actually trust you as a person..... ...But maybe not your arguments.
My arguments are flawed and weird, but they make sense to me. Its just the way I think. Doesn't say anything about my role though. As I use weird arguments when I'm mafia and when I'm not.
Now, this may just be my Ego talking, but, I have a theory. Day 0, there was no reason for it to be there, but it was nice of Alpha nonetheless. We had SIGNIFICANT progress on determining people's stances on Day 0, and aloud a better and clearer judgement on actual events and people, whether new or old.
However, who died the following night?: Welp, Defiant of course. However, its not my point on WHO died, but BY WHOM?: and the answer is simple: It was both the Vigilante and the Serial killer. Where was the Mafia then? Wouldn't they want to kill skilled players across the board as well? Welp, I guess not, because they killed Fruit instead, a new-comer to the game. I believe I have already stated why the mafia would choose someone like Fruit:
ansoro was the second target of the mafia, and again he wasn't a very outspoken person, which is probably why he was targeted, with the doctor gone I have no doubt the mafia are doing all they can to find our remaining power roles. Anyone who is either withdrawn and not often spoken, or seemingly holding back information or opinion who ISN't a mafia member will most likely be targeted tonight.
It's not because of this, but rather, the idea that, why should the Mafia kill prime-targets, the talkative and leading players, rather then everyone else? Easy: Because they have such high suspicions and targets on their backs, the mafia can normally leave it to the Vigilante and the Serial killer to do their dirty work. Any power-roles in the rest of the pool are just an extra on the side.
However, Why would both the Serial Killer and Vigilante go after Defiant? I mean--- I can see the reasons for the Serial Killer: Kill one of the experienced players before they become a threat, which although I hate it as a lynching-argument, is a strong argument in terms of nightly-deaths. However, why the Vigilante? There were no suspicions on Defiant, Defiant seemed to be mainly pro-town in a lot of his posts (at least, seeing his ratings.), and really, the only person whom seemed mildly against a lot of the things Defiant said that entire free-day was me: Jkangaroo. Again, may just be my ego talking, but I feel like the Vigilante choose Defiant because of that post.
And my most likely suspect?: Honestly, I feel like your the Vigilante. In my head, using the theory, you seem like the most likely candidate as vigilante. You may not come out as it, but until another player comes out and says their the vigilante, or the real vigilante dies, I'm going to assume your that role.
On the other hands--- I believe digitalmez is the serial Killer. Why?: Cause #yolo. (Love you digi <3). Random hunch of course. No true basis--- unless i'm not letting in on everything I want to say of course.
Anyways, because of that, I don't believe in suspecting you Notty, however, I have the sneaking suspicion that Jivvi isn't telling us the whole truth.
I can sadly say that I'm not the vigilante. I would have loved that role, being able to kill someone on your own at night. [Would have loved serial killer also =3]. But that's not me. And I do have my own ideas of who the vig is. But why would a town-sided person say out loud who they thing the vig is? Isnt that bad for the town.....? Now you(a very good mafia-player) have said you think I'm the vig I will probabily be hit tonight. And that would make me very sad. And I feel very unsafe now.
This makes me a bit more suspicious of you JK. But as I said in this post somewhere, I don't think you are mafia because road accused you. But that doesn't mean you can't be the serial killer. Though I don't actualy think you are the serial killer. Saying who you think is the vig was pretty... stupid.
Maybe you just slipped up, but maybe you want to give the mafia a reason to target me tonight.
Again, because I am rushing this, I have not had the best ability to explain everything I wanted, but I wanted to make a post at least ONCE before I was marked as inactive by Alpha. Hopefully one of my extremely long posts helps counter that. ^-^ It'll probably easy to counter some stuff I said, but again, I was rushing.
Because of this suspicion, I formally vote to lynch Jivvi.
Also: I still see my little controversy the other day didn't gain any responses besides 1. Oh well.
^-^ At least, I know I can trust 1 person to not be evil.
it appears my argument was derailed by this, a completely pointless vote which got the conversation headed in a direction away I tell you this, I hate coincedences. But I feel this is no coincidence, I think this was a move to draw the conversation away from superstein (who made no attempt to defend himself I might add, only by threatening a role claim, which if you ask me is a load of hot air). Another thing that I have noticed, 77_is_the_best has also contributed very little in discussions, in this latest vote the only thing he uses as evidence is a 'vibe' there is no reasoning or evidence to back up his claim. Which is why it makes me suspicious the way he has seemingly drawn away suspicion from superstein, another mafia in disguise prehaps? My vote stays as it is, although I want some more discussion on this.
If you don't agree with what I am saying, then reply to this post and give some reasoning and evidence to back up your reply! If you agree with what I am saying, then reply to this post, give some reasoning an evidence to back up your post! Do not ignore this post!
it appears my argument was derailed by this, a completely pointless vote which got the conversation headed in a direction away I tell you this, I hate coincedences. But I feel this is no coincidence, I think this was a move to draw the conversation away from superstein (who made no attempt to defend himself I might add, only by threatening a role claim, which if you ask me is a load of hot air). Another thing that I have noticed, 77_is_the_best has also contributed very little in discussions, in this latest vote the only thing he uses as evidence is a 'vibe' there is no reasoning or evidence to back up his claim. Which is why it makes me suspicious the way he has seemingly drawn away suspicion from superstein, another mafia in disguise prehaps? My vote stays as it is, although I want some more discussion on this.
If you don't agree with what I am saying, then reply to this post and give some reasoning and evidence to back up your reply! If you agree with what I am saying, then reply to this post, give some reasoning an evidence to back up your post! Do not ignore this post!
I'm not entirely suspicious of superstien because of his :i will reveal my role thing" it seems more desperation than anything else. i remove my vote for superstien.
also, this probably doesnt mean much, but 77 said you instead of he when he voted for me....