C9++ - Game End - Mafia Win

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I think right now based on of what Weak said Alisha and Shadow_Hunter3 could be the best targets to lynch. I'm just going to trust Weak's reads since he's proven and I sort of agree with them.

vote Alisha


Seems like she's just last minute diverting at this point. Already claimed before.
 

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I feel like what the Mafia has been doing so far has been to tag one of their own members with someone who is Town in their suspect list, and try to divert the attention from them elsewhere onto the second party.

Either way, if this vote is wrong, then I guess gg?
 

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Also just to point out all the Townies need to be voting for this lynch to go through - one misvote from any person and it's over - I'm completely relying on Weak's reads at this point.

Just remember that if Alisha does flip Mafia don't let any argument convince you that Shadow_Hunter3 is Town.
 

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Why I think Choco is scum

Earlier I said Choco seems town because he's not been panicking, but once I looked back on everything it started to rub me the wrong way; he's not panicking enough.

Exhibit A
Should we lynch Inffy and toxicologist Alisha for insurance? (sorry bad inside joke forgive me)
Day 0 he made a few jokes, but the jokes a lot of the time were framed in a way to throw shade onto other people.

Exhibit B
What reads do you think we will get and why do you think they will be valuable? What kind of information do you think we will get, by, for instance, lynching a villager in this setup?
He asked a lot of basic questions during Day 0, which initially set off my vibes of suspicion but I backed off in favor of other people. He's a very experienced player, but it felt weird because he asked them in a way that made him appear unsure, where he would normally have stronger opinions about them.

Exhibit C
How do you know for a fact that there's an SK in the game when the setup has, in fact a 50% chance of generating one? Do you have any particular reasoning behind this? Also, who do you suspect being SK/Mafia and why? I am actually inclined to lynch you based on this statement - however as mentioned before I'm interested in what other people want to say about this.
Jumped onto fantome early and that cast a lot of initial doubt in his direction. It could be nothing on it's own, but there's a pattern here.

Exhibit D (Molten Behavior)
I find him the most scum so far, especially the SK remark. I feel like him declaring there's a SK directly is him diverting attention away from reading into the Mafia, or him actually being SK.
Molten says fantome is very suspicious too, shortly after Choco had thrown shade on fantome.

Exhibit E
So I'm not going to go into every single accusation Alisha has made against me but right now ironically and very contrary because of what she's doing I'm actually starting to Townread her a bit simply because I can see a basis for the suspicion. Though I'd like to point out than when I did accuse Les (Fantôme) what struck me was her overtness in defending Les.
He townreads me here but plants a seed that I overtly defended fantome

Exhibit F
I don't understand why you are being defensive here Tim? I mean, I can see the basis of your suspicion but right now most of the suspicion lies on Les. I'm not suspecting you as of right now but the rhetoric in this question just seems excessive in my opinion.
Okay, so in my post from just now I mentioned that I'm starting to slightly Townread Alisha but I wasn't really paying full attention to the discussion that was ongoing at that point in time.

This right here starts making me very suspicious because:
1. You voted Inffy first (meme joke so I'll ignore this)
2. Then you voted me, claiming that I was quick to jump on Les, even though Timdood was the one who jumped first
3. THEN you voted Les
but your flip-flop between me or Les
Casts doubt on Tim here, then twists the knife by hiding behind him while walking back his townread of me all in one post. He said I was quick to defend fantome but apparently it's not ok of me to say he jumped on him. Also he characterizes me as a flip-flopper here early on which is blatantly untrue, I should have caught that early on but I was too busy being gaslit by that.

Also a couple pages later he posts a montage of my votes and unvotes, with a magikarp flopping around, I'm not quoting that partly because I don't want silliness in this and also because it still upsets me. Fantome responded to defend me there, too.

Also he called out Molten at one point for voting to lynch and no lynching, but didn't follow through on that accusation

Exhibit G
I think Inffy has a point that you are being somewhat overly defensive but at this point I'm just more or less convinced this is how you play... I'm not entirely dismissing the other theories though.
I don't think I scumread MoltenAshes (Wyatt) because of that - I think he's just being cautious and he did say about no-lynching earlier on and the reason being him voting Okx and Ernie was to get them to talk. His behaviour just seems consistent to me.
Inffy previously said Tim was being overly defensive, and Choco pops up from the background and reinforces this

Also threw in a quote of him defending MoltenAshes, which stands out because he didn't follow through on his accusation of him from earlier

Exhibit H
IMO Weak is the kind of person who's actually more suspicious as Town and less suspicious as scum... considering he's duped me so many times before in previous games I'm naturally wary of him but I don't think this is how he acts as scum.
Defends TWG early on when Inffy and I put our votes on him




Day 0 Voting Result - Shadow_hunter3, ChocoFox, Alisha, Fantome, MoltenAshes, Catgirl12467, Fog

Day 1

Molten votes catgirl early on

Exhibit J
If Choco is indeed Mafia, then Catgirl would actually be very likely town in my eyes.
The whole reason I pushed on Catgirl was because I felt like she was trying to lead a Choco mislynch today. If Choco is Mafia, then Catgirl would actually be correctly suspicious on Choco, and my whole reasoning on Catgirl's susness would be proven false.
MoltenAshes I want you to directly respond to this. What do you think about Choco?

Also Molten later unvoted catgirl who was town, saying I had a good point about something or other.
Exhibit K
MoltenAshes seems to be throwing a lot of shade on the weakest targets around - seems like a sort of convenient way of diverting attention (?),

As what Unu said Inffy seems to be siding with people who are influential and what not. I still think MoltenAshes is suspicious.
Characterizes Inffy as agreeing with anyone that's influential despite that being a non-behavior of town inffy - also mentions suspicion of molten but that's about it

Also he threw shade at molten for a few posts as if he's preparing a bus if people keep voting him, but lets the issue drop entirely

Exhibit L
Sigh* does this mean Inffy is Mafia now - if Weak really is Town?

Doubt, doubt, doubt!
Immediately after TWG claims, Choco takes the chance to throw shade on Inffy.

He voted TWG in the end, by the way



Also he just voted me so this is obviously a blitz so please take time to discuss this before ending the day

And ask yourselves this question; Who in the game can Choco feasibly be teaming up with, and who in the game can I be feasibly be teaming up with?
 

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If Alisha flips Mafia - go after Shadow_Hunter3 and the last one maybe Wyatt or Inffy, leaning towards Wyatt.

Don't deliberate - just follow this if she does flip Mafia - we have no room for error at this point.
Don't deliberate? In other words, Choco is saying here don't stop to think about the votes you're going to be making.
 

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I'm slightly confused by your confidence in voting alisha here choco, why are you trusting TWG's reads so much?
He's proven Inf - he flipped Town, and not to mention I *did* scumread Alisha, Shadow_Hunter3 and MoltenAshes d1. D0 I pointed out there's a small possibility that Weak is Town.

Right now Alisha is trying to blitz me.

Since it has come to this, let me claim correctly before Weak's prophecy comes true.

I am the doctor.

I guarded Fog N1, and then Unu N2.
 

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Why did I guard Fog N1?
Fog was my biggest Townread on D0, I still Townread him.

Why did I guard Unu N2?
It seemed to me the Mafia were trying to attack people who could be hiding PRs (i.e. Okx), which is why I figured I'd guard someone who could potentially have good reads and was still mildly quiet.
 

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He's proven Inf - he flipped Town, and not to mention I *did* scumread Alisha, Shadow_Hunter3 and MoltenAshes d1. D0 I pointed out there's a small possibility that Weak is Town.

Right now Alisha is trying to blitz me.

Since it has come to this, let me claim correctly before Weak's prophecy comes true.

I am the doctor.

I guarded Fog N1, and then Unu N2.
Hey I thought everyone was going to claim vanilla townie like Tim said

You're accusing me of blitzing you but you're the one throwing out a vote on me Choco.

Nobody else vote until the rest of the massclaim comes in please - there might be a counterclaim or a C9++ equivilant counterclaim
 

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Hey I thought everyone was going to claim vanilla townie like Tim said

You're accusing me of blitzing you but you're the one throwing out a vote on me Choco.

Nobody else vote until the rest of the massclaim comes in please - there might be a counterclaim or a C9++ equivilant counterclaim
So the reason why I didn't want to claim was to wait until you folks started to out yourselves and then there'd be no taking back on your words.

I'm 100% convinced you and Shadow are Mafia.
 

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He's proven Inf - he flipped Town, and not to mention I *did* scumread Alisha, Shadow_Hunter3 and MoltenAshes d1. D0 I pointed out there's a small possibility that Weak is Town.

Right now Alisha is trying to blitz me.

Since it has come to this, let me claim correctly before Weak's prophecy comes true.

I am the doctor.

I guarded Fog N1, and then Unu N2.
He's proven but that doesn't mean his reads are accurate

And okay interesting
 

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So the reason why I didn't want to claim was to wait until you folks started to out yourselves and then there'd be no taking back on your words.

I'm 100% convinced you and Shadow are Mafia.
What makes you think this again? Can you make an argument post like alisha did please?
 

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That's true - but what other basis do you have for your reads? The both of us have enough Townie blood on our hands:

Ernie: refused to even talk - I asked for a defence from him - he didn't give
Weak: was suspicious and Alisha pushed onto him
Choco you're leaving out that Inffy was the one that swung that vote - I voted Molten and didn't waver until Inffy convinced me TWG was more likely. (Then TWG convinced me more that TWG was more likely but that's besides the point)
 

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That's true - but what other basis do you have for your reads? The both of us have enough Townie blood on our hands:

Ernie: refused to even talk - I asked for a defence from him - he didn't give
Weak: was suspicious and Alisha pushed onto him
I don't have another basis rn but I don't think relying on TWG's reads is a good one to use, on its own at least, but I guess I'll wait for your other reasons
 

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I don't have another basis rn but I don't think relying on TWG's reads is a good one to use, on its own at least, but I guess I'll wait for your other reasons
I'm not going to bother quoting backwards and present one huge giant post - only to have you throw more questions and shade like you did on the other people who got lynched before.

I'd rather wait for a counterclaim. Honestly if you want to lynch me and make Weak's prophecy come through, go ahead.
 

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I'm not going to bother quoting backwards and present one huge giant post - only to have you throw more questions and shade like you did on the other people who got lynched before.

I'd rather wait for a counterclaim. Honestly if you want to lynch me and make Weak's prophecy come through, go ahead.
I never said anything about lynching you, I'm just asking you to make a case for why your read is correct

It doesn't matter if you end up being proven doctor or not, if you can't make us see what you're seeing we have no reason to join you, so if you want alisha lynched then we'll need to understand why
 

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I'm going to hold off on saying much until the last* PR claims.

Moments are I type that sentence Choco claims doctor. Wonderful.

So. Who hasn't claimed? Shadow_Hunter3 , Unusual_Dood and MoltenAshes? Are any of you going to counter claim?
I'm vaniller townie,

I do agree with Alisha that PR should claim, the more people we are certain of are town, the less chance of lynching town.
There are 8 people left, Tim is basically proven, if the other PR claims we need to choose between 6 players, so we have a 50/50 chance of getting maffia
 

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I'm not going to bother quoting backwards and present one huge giant post - only to have you throw more questions and shade like you did on the other people who got lynched before.

I'd rather wait for a counterclaim. Honestly if you want to lynch me and make Weak's prophecy come through, go ahead.
Did anybody listen when I made that post about perspective
 
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