Cloning
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Robot labour isn't all that bad, because they are only non living machines. But if we are talking A.I. Machines, then THAT'S a different story about labour, because they could rebel if they where smart enough(btw, A,I, machins are also not living). But in terms of cloning, yes slave labour and all that sort is illogical. Clones are Human too, but made by man. I also am not saying growing body parts to replace other ones that failed in a person is wrong, actually, it seems smart. But the point in cloning is to make us seem like gods and superior to anyone else, including God. There is no other point in scientists creating Life.
And we forgot to mention that sheep Dolly died very shortly afterwards, which is a fail in recreating perfect life.
Regards! -parquetted
[Edit] In conclusion to the robots and labour being wrong; if it's Life, it's slavery
And we forgot to mention that sheep Dolly died very shortly afterwards, which is a fail in recreating perfect life.
Regards! -parquetted
[Edit] In conclusion to the robots and labour being wrong; if it's Life, it's slavery
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Defiant_Blob
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Using robots for labor and humans for labor are entirely different.
And assuming you COULD produce humans that are essentially brain dead, why would you use humans over robots, which by the time we could properly clone humans would probably be way more advanced?
Like the whole "no ties to the economy" thing is kinda gross sorry
What's the difference between cloning people and using them for labor and how slaves were bred with each other for labor?
They both "have no economic ties", being considered sub-human and not citizens, only property.
Experimentation could work be done way better as science progresses. We wouldn't need to use full humans, we could just print (yeah, 3D printing organs IS a thing btw) what we need, no need to form a full human that would require much more care. Cloning for experimentation is just totally inefficient.
And clones for war is just...??? It's just plain unethical obviously, but... Like, obviously these clones will have to be trained and such, you can't just throw brain-dead clones at your enemy. Meaning these clones will likely have a brain capacity and such and therefore self-consciousness.
I mean, sure, we could re-wire the human brain so that these clones are robot like, only processing what info they need. But why do that when robots themselves are so much better? Robot AI is developing at rapid speeds, and they'd far outdo any human.
And assuming you COULD produce humans that are essentially brain dead, why would you use humans over robots, which by the time we could properly clone humans would probably be way more advanced?
Like the whole "no ties to the economy" thing is kinda gross sorry
What's the difference between cloning people and using them for labor and how slaves were bred with each other for labor?
They both "have no economic ties", being considered sub-human and not citizens, only property.
Experimentation could work be done way better as science progresses. We wouldn't need to use full humans, we could just print (yeah, 3D printing organs IS a thing btw) what we need, no need to form a full human that would require much more care. Cloning for experimentation is just totally inefficient.
And clones for war is just...??? It's just plain unethical obviously, but... Like, obviously these clones will have to be trained and such, you can't just throw brain-dead clones at your enemy. Meaning these clones will likely have a brain capacity and such and therefore self-consciousness.
I mean, sure, we could re-wire the human brain so that these clones are robot like, only processing what info they need. But why do that when robots themselves are so much better? Robot AI is developing at rapid speeds, and they'd far outdo any human.
Willchill
Blocktopia's Official Octopus
Artificial Intelligence is anything as simple as a robot in a factory detecting whether something is oriented properly and doing something based on the result it gets (e.g. flipping the item if it is upside down). Where do you draw the line?
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Artificial Intelligence is the mind of the robot it is transplanted in. If the robot learns something, say it was something violent, then it creates something in it's brain that could be considered something it could do. But robots are going way off of topic. Cloning is unethical.
Defiant_Blob
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You're over complicating the term. AI is something as simple as the programming on an enemy in a video game.
But if you're implying that the robot would eventually become self-conscious or so (E.G. Skynet), then it's really up to how they're programmed to make sure they don't get out of line.
You've said that clones should be counted as human, but you consent to having clones used as sources of organs, which is treating them as sub-human, in your perspective. I'm not sure if you meant to contradict yourself there, or if you made a mistake.
Also, what evidence do you have to back up your claim that the purpose of cloning is to glorify humans to the status of gods? parquette
Damer_Flinn
Resident Asha'man
I'm going to nudge this in another direction now.
What's the difference between a mechanical robot and a bio-mechanical robot? One route cloning research could lead to is a more environmentally friendly type of machine. One that runs on nutrients consumed (like plants and animals do) instead of fuels burned.
What's the difference between a mechanical robot and a bio-mechanical robot? One route cloning research could lead to is a more environmentally friendly type of machine. One that runs on nutrients consumed (like plants and animals do) instead of fuels burned.
Jubjubers
Best BuildBox Guy 2011 - 2013
I'm all for using clones as a The Island/Never Let Me Go style organ donation system.
Though, if something is an exact copy of something, as a clone is a human, would it necessarily make them the thing they're copying?
Though, if something is an exact copy of something, as a clone is a human, would it necessarily make them the thing they're copying?
Choas_Lego: I am not saying we should make clones to tear them apart for body parts. I'm saying its not alright to make clones from DNA, but it is probably alright to make body parts from DNA.
[edit] p.s. Choas_Lego, What is the soul purpose in making clones? There is really no other reason in making clones except to feel like gods.
[edit] p.s. Choas_Lego, What is the soul purpose in making clones? There is really no other reason in making clones except to feel like gods.
Do you really think a scientist wakes up in the morning and thinks to themselves "Yeah, I'm going to become a god from cloning!"
The purpose of cloning would be to understand the limitations of science and forcefully changing genetics (which we already do with plants and fruits). If forcing creation is what you consider to be people attempting to be like god, then planned parenthood is the samething, and so is choosing to use birth control. There are many reasons to clone something, we can clone limbs and organs for people who need them, those are just a few, I'm not a scientist but I can appreciate the efforts they make. If you look through the perspective of someone of a different religious belief that permits cloning or someone who is non religious, then your reasoning kind of falls apart, which is why so many people are asking you. Some people don't buy that and that's fine but if your only reason isn't a universal one then it's a little flawed. Not trying to say religious beliefs aren't a good reason not to do something but that kind of comes down to the individual and not the whole.
This is my last post on this thread: If your a scientist, and you invent clones of humans, what would be the first thought in your mind? Most likely "I am superior than everyone else!!!" then that's basically playing god. I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say 'forcing creation'(how did forcing creation get into this?) , but why must we change genetics? GMO's are unhealthy for the human body, or for any animal as a matter of fact. If we want cures from potent cells, umbilical cords are readily available (discarded everyday) and does no harm. There have been hundreds of cures using them and no one gets hurt.
Thank you all for the discussion, its been lively!
Regards! -parquette
Thank you all for the discussion, its been lively!
Regards! -parquette
How do you know that? It seems like you're projecting how you'd feel if you made a clone and assuming that is how others would feel in the same situation.
Do you have any sources for why GMOs are unhealthy? Could you give some examples?
Yeah I'm gonna need a source for this too. Also you're not gonna find a lung or a pancreas in an umbilical cord - the furthest I think cloning would go is vat-grown organs, which I believe we are either achieving or on the verge of achieving... I recall seeing an article about a vat-grown heart, I'll link it later. I assume you have no issue with using stem cells to grow organs? It's been hotly debated and is consdered a religious ethical dilemma to some, and is the closest to human cloning we have gotten so far.
Jayfeather
Gay Magician
honestly like it doesn't even matter what they do with shit as long as its not unethical. let scientists make plants and shit cuz that's what they do and then they learn tTHINSGS
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why would you wait for a clone to grow from its birth to the point where its useful to use as unskilled labor/war?
robots are much cooler and also don't have to go through the spitty baby phase
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robots turning on humans from being too intelligent is also a movie cliche please stop
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why would you wait for a clone to grow from its birth to the point where its useful to use as unskilled labor/war?
robots are much cooler and also don't have to go through the spitty baby phase
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robots turning on humans from being too intelligent is also a movie cliche please stop
