EscapeRemastered Mafia: Economy of Madness [Day 3]

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the safe?

that can only be bought via the auction

the money donated to me wont be given to me until tonight, and the auction will be over by then

so its impossible for the donations to be used to buy the safe
But why do you want the safe?

Sessy since notty was too scared to answer, what makes you think I could be mafia?
my main reason is the fact that your reasoning for a mass claim day 0 was for “shits and giggles” and afaik you didn’t provide any other reason that wasn’t utter shitposting garbage. I personally don’t think a town member would want potentially PR townies outed so early on in the game, especially since the mechanics like an Auction hadn’t even happened yet and it honestly seemed like mafia trying to out as many roles as possible. Added on to that I don’t think you claimed your role yourself (correct me if I’m wrong, I wasn’t active during the massclaim).

I don’t think you’re fully mafia like 100% scum but that’s just my suspicion.
 

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is this plan even a good idea

if we mislynch today and then i get 0 coins tomorrow and you guys lynch me then youve mislynched 2 people for nothing and we're near mylo for no reason

i didnt realize i was gonna be lynched as part of this so i thought itd be fine
You don't have to be, and probably won't be if we mislynch tonight.

The plan only 100% works if we kill scum tonight.

Otherwise we have to decide what the best way forward is on our own and take what we get from whoever we choose to lynch tomorrow and compare that to the data we received from the plan.
 

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You don't have to be, and probably won't be if we mislynch tonight.

The plan only 100% works if we kill scum tonight.

Otherwise we have to decide what the best way forward is on our own and take what we get from whoever we choose to lynch tomorrow and compare that to the data we received from the plan.
And if we don’t kill scum tonight...?
 

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my main reason is the fact that your reasoning for a mass claim day 0 was for “shits and giggles” and afaik you didn’t provide any other reason that wasn’t utter shitposting garbage. I personally don’t think a town member would want potentially PR townies outed so early on in the game, especially since the mechanics like an Auction hadn’t even happened yet and it honestly seemed like mafia trying to out as many roles as possible. Added on to that I don’t think you claimed your role yourself (correct me if I’m wrong, I wasn’t active during the massclaim).

I don’t think you’re fully mafia like 100% scum but that’s just my suspicion.
a) What would be the benefit for scum to suggest a massclaim?

b) Why would I so confidently claim first without any knowledge of other roles except my own?

c) Why was I immediately onboard with TWG, even tho he flipped mafia?

d) Despite the fact TWG was shown to be a vanilla mafia where his role claims he can only make money through nightkills, I have a backed up claim to have started with 3 coins. What could explain that.

Added on to that I don’t think you claimed your role yourself
I don't know what this means I literally claimed first and have been consistent with my role ever since. Notty somewhat CC'd me but claimed she misread her ENTIRE role originally and has been pretty inconsistent throughout the game.

It's incredibly bad for you to suspect me of being mafia if you haven't actually read the massclaim yourself.

The massclaim I suggested as a joke but pushed for it once I realised in the context of the game it didn't seem like there would be /much/ drawback as we clearly get most of our PR shit from auction items and scum wouldn't have a chance to come up with realistic fake claims.

And it worked perfectly.

Town are massively ahead this game.
 

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And if we don’t kill scum tonight...?
Otherwise we have to decide what the best way forward is on our own and take what we get from whoever we choose to lynch tomorrow and compare that to the data we received from the plan.
it's literally in the post you're quoting and the more detailed explanation I wrote up for you a few minutes ago...?
 

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it's literally in the post you're quoting and the more detailed explanation I wrote up for you a few minutes ago...?
oh I’m very VERY sorry you must explain yourself twice. I’m simply trying to tie up loose ends.

a) What would be the benefit for scum to suggest a massclaim?

b) Why would I so confidently claim first without any knowledge of other roles except my own?

c) Why was I immediately onboard with TWG, even tho he flipped mafia?

d) Despite the fact TWG was shown to be a vanilla mafia where his role claims he can only make money through nightkills, I have a backed up claim to have started with 3 coins. What could explain that.



I don't know what this means I literally claimed first and have been consistent with my role ever since. Notty somewhat CC'd me but claimed she misread her ENTIRE role originally and has been pretty inconsistent throughout the game.

It's incredibly bad for you to suspect me of being mafia if you haven't actually read the massclaim yourself.

The massclaim I suggested as a joke but pushed for it once I realised in the context of the game it didn't seem like there would be /much/ drawback as we clearly get most of our PR shit from auction items and scum wouldn't have a chance to come up with realistic fake claims.

And it worked perfectly.

Town are massively ahead this game.
okay so I was wrong and I take responsibility for my inability to read.

mafia would benefit from a mass claim because presumably they know their team members so just getting everyone else to post their roles can let them start to cherry pick those they need to lynch and those they do not.
 

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sessy can you ask tim to clarify on what qualifies as singing with someone and get back to us btw
Inf out of curiosity do you still believe notty is town after everything?

After her misreading her entire role, after trying to buddy up with my role then pushing for me as mafia once I called her out for it, after that thing that oog brought up before?

Nothing she has really done this game seems to have been for the benefit of town. I said earlier notty was doing her manipulation things but I wasn't sure whether they were for the benefit of town or not, yet it's pretty clear now they're not.

This includes her trying to bait you into claiming you had lower than average coins.

This feels like a vatu situation again where it is possible that they're town but we've got a 50:50 between her and sessy (last game vatu and weak) and her behaviour has been extremely disrupting and unhelpful to the town.
 

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you can just tell us how your role works after you asked for some clarification, that should be allowed or else youd be stuck never being able to clarify your role to people if your role pm was actually unclear to you
okay well I’ll ask I guess...

Inf out of curiosity do you still believe notty is town after everything?

After her misreading her entire role, after trying to buddy up with my role then pushing for me as mafia once I called her out for it, after that thing that oog brought up before?

Nothing she has really done this game seems to have been for the benefit of town. I said earlier notty was doing her manipulation things but I wasn't sure whether they were for the benefit of town or not, yet it's pretty clear now they're not.

This includes her trying to bait you into claiming you had lower than average coins.

This feels like a vatu situation again where it is possible that they're town but we've got a 50:50 between her and sessy (last game vatu and weak) and her behaviour has been extremely disrupting and unhelpful to the town.
I suspect Notty as town over you, in fact I think you’re more town than Inf at some points. If that helps at all, I know this was directed at Inf but I thought I’d shove mt
 

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mafia would benefit from a mass claim because presumably they know their team members so just getting everyone else to post their roles can let them start to cherry pick those they need to lynch and those they do not.
Altho this could be true, mafia had no way of communicating between themselves prior to day 0.

If I were mafia me pushing for a massclaim could cause both my teammates to die, if they couldn't come up with good fake claims out of nowhere, with no info about the town roles.

with everything else, I hope you can agree altho theoretically possible it's extremely unlikely.
 

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Inf out of curiosity do you still believe notty is town after everything?

After her misreading her entire role, after trying to buddy up with my role then pushing for me as mafia once I called her out for it, after that thing that oog brought up before?

Nothing she has really done this game seems to have been for the benefit of town. I said earlier notty was doing her manipulation things but I wasn't sure whether they were for the benefit of town or not, yet it's pretty clear now they're not.

This includes her trying to bait you into claiming you had lower than average coins.

This feels like a vatu situation again where it is possible that they're town but we've got a 50:50 between her and sessy (last game vatu and weak) and her behaviour has been extremely disrupting and unhelpful to the town.
the misreading role thing i can see as being legit so im not including that in my read of them

the buddying up with your role was strange i agree

the thing oog brought up - if you mean tagging twg - i can also see as strange yeah

assuming that i, as a townie, would assume all other town had low coin amounts also was strange

so yeah i dont disagree they have scummy things about them, and honestly im probably fine lynching them yes, but i still am like 'why would they claim to be able to participate in the black market, the scum shop, when they knew no other townies would claim that so itd look suspicious to do it'. maybe they just didnt think that far ahead, or maybe it was some WIFOM attempt though, but thats the reason im not pushing notty hard atm, that still bothers me a bit
 

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I suspect Notty as town over you, in fact I think you’re more town than Inf at some points. If that helps at all, I know this was directed at Inf but I thought I’d shove mt
If you suspect notty is more town than me then you haven't been paying attention to this game at all and I lose all hope in trying to convince you otherwise.

I know you've said you've had IRL stuff going on causing ur absence and I'm not mad at you for that, shit happens. But you have to realise how impossible this task is for me if you haven't payed attention to any of the facts and have just arbitrary opinions.

It's like trying to convince a donald trump supporter of all the terrible things trump has done. It's an uphill battle all the way and at the end of the day, if you haven't done your research it isn't worth my time, I'm sorry.
 

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the misreading role thing i can see as being legit so im not including that in my read of them

the buddying up with your role was strange i agree

the thing oog brought up - if you mean tagging twg - i can also see as strange yeah

assuming that i, as a townie, would assume all other town had low coin amounts also was strange

so yeah i dont disagree they have scummy things about them, and honestly im probably fine lynching them yes, but i still am like 'why would they claim to be able to participate in the black market, the scum shop, when they knew no other townies would claim that so itd look suspicious to do it'. maybe they just didnt think that far ahead, or maybe it was some WIFOM attempt though, but thats the reason im not pushing notty hard atm, that still bothers me a bit
(and like, for the other 'strange' things theyre not like 'super damning' cuz all of them could be just genuine mistakes (i.e. not considering your claim properly, not considering other town's perspectives properly when asking me about my coins), but they do add up + make them more scummy than most people)
 

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If you suspect notty is more town than me then you haven't been paying attention to this game at all and I lose all hope in trying to convince you otherwise.

I know you've said you've had IRL stuff going on causing ur absence and I'm not mad at you for that, shit happens. But you have to realise how impossible this task is for me if you haven't payed attention to any of the facts and have just arbitrary opinions.

It's like trying to convince a donald trump supporter of all the terrible things trump has done. It's an uphill battle all the way and at the end of the day, if you haven't done your research it isn't worth my time, I'm sorry.
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wait no I meant Notty as Mafia oops
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“you haven’t been paying attention”
 

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If you suspect notty is more town than me then you haven't been paying attention to this game at all and I lose all hope in trying to convince you otherwise.

I know you've said you've had IRL stuff going on causing ur absence and I'm not mad at you for that, shit happens. But you have to realise how impossible this task is for me if you haven't payed attention to any of the facts and have just arbitrary opinions.

It's like trying to convince a donald trump supporter of all the terrible things trump has done. It's an uphill battle all the way and at the end of the day, if you haven't done your research it isn't worth my time, I'm sorry.
wait no I meant Notty as Mafia oops
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