EscapeRemastered Mafia: Economy of Madness [Day 3]

[Alisha]

That's my point, I may be mistaken but if I remember correctly last game mafia got tons of coins from townies.

Considering they have a night to kill/steal (assuming the features are the same/similar to last game) unless they got unlucky tonight they'd have an advantage for every auction and we'd be none the wiser who had shit tons of money.

So with that in mind, assuming Tim has done a good job of balancing, it's reasonable to assume the amount of money mafia gain will be less than last game/something similar so they don't end up with 5x every other player.

Yeah both Scum teams stole coins from people, but notably that also had the rule that if you went to 0 coins you died which is not the case here. (Some scum began with a lot of coins at once, others had very few)

So it's reasonable to assume that the mafiakill in this game does not have to 100% steal coins, and it causes death. It COULD also be linked to an ability to steal coins from the dead, or they have a separate ability to take coins from the living...

But the point here is that coin loss and death are separate in this version, unlike the original.

 

[Alisha]

(Also there's a note in the OP that comparing this to the original game won't get us far, but the above point I made is a key difference we already can identify)

 

[Infected_alien8_]

(assuming the features are the same/similar to last game)

in case you missed it:

This setup is quite different from the original, but I hope keeps to the spirit of Alisha's vision.

You are free to speculate as much as you please, but be warned that trying to compare this to the original game is unlikely to get you far.

but also

So with that in mind, assuming Tim has done a good job of balancing, it's reasonable to assume the amount of money mafia gain will be less than last game/something similar so they don't end up with 5x every other player.

So it's reasonable to assume that the mafiakill in this game does not have to 100% steal coins, and it causes death.

we already know that maf gets all the coins/items townies had when they kill them:

Standard Mechanics Reminder:
The Mafia Factional Kill is both assigned and mandatory. If the target dies, the killer takes any coins and items they had.

 

[Alisha]

we already know that maf gets all the coins/items townies had when they kill them:

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[Aqua]

in case you missed it:

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[Infected_alien8_]

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you said assuming the features of this game are similar/the game to last game, but tim said it's quite different/that comparing won't likely get us far, so i wondered whether you missed him saying that

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that's why i thought maybe the mafia use coins on something else other than bidding

or maybe the maf start with barely any or no coins and there's a handful of town who have a good amount of coins and others don't have many, and the idea is that the maf have to get lucky with killing townies with a decent amount of coins and avoid killing ones who don't have many if they want to win bids

 

[Infected_alien8_]

the game to last game

the same*

 

[Stranger from Myst Island]

Personally I'm trying to avoid making comparisons to the original Economy in terms of the coin mechanics. For one, in the original economy town-aligned roles generally had no way of gaining money. That might be the case here, but I think it wouldn't be wise to jump directly to that conclusion.

 

[Stranger from Myst Island]

It's a silent auction. Everybody who wants a particular item places their bid on it. If your bid isn't the highest, you don't win.

What happens in the event of a tie?

 

[Infected_alien8_]

What happens in the event of a tie?

it's decided randomly between the people who tied

 

[Stranger from Myst Island]

it's decided randomly between the people who tied

Forgive me senpai I have failed to read

 

[Good Skele]

combine their coin totals together to purchase something

Oh so it can be a verb.
Quite an interesting mechanic to think of.

 

[Aqua]

you said assuming the features of this game are similar/the game to last game, but tim said it's quite different/that comparing won't likely get us far, so i wondered whether you missed him saying that

...yes

which is why I don't think it's like last game because it would be OP if it was?

 

[Alisha]

that's why i thought maybe the mafia use coins on something else other than bidding

or maybe the maf start with barely any or no coins and there's a handful of town who have a good amount of coins and others don't have many, and the idea is that the maf have to get lucky with killing townies with a decent amount of coins and avoid killing ones who don't have many if they want to win bids

it's possible there's a black market to buy things

 

[Infected_alien8_]

...yes

which is why I don't think it's like last game because it would be OP if it was?

then you put the brackets in the wrong place!

 

[Alisha]

Personally I'm trying to avoid making comparisons to the original Economy in terms of the coin mechanics. For one, in the original economy town-aligned roles generally had no way of gaining money. That might be the case here, but I think it wouldn't be wise to jump directly to that conclusion.

yeah I imagine this game isn't gonna be as stingy with coins, like the money printers and scrooges from before. since there's a universal way to interact with your coin totals and purchase stuff, logically that means that most if not everybody will be able to participate in bidding in some fashion.

 

[Aqua]

then you put the brackets in the wrong place!

I don't think I did but if it helps I'll reiterate what I said.

If the night kill/steal works the same as it did last game, unless there is some other unknown mechanic, it would be imbalanced in regards to the auction mechanic.

Therefore it's reasonable to assume that the nightkill/stealing is different or there is some other mechanic in play to balance it out.

 

[Stranger from Myst Island]

So here's a question: Where does everyone think the proceeds of the daily auction go?
I'm sure the natural assumption is that the house eats the coins or whatever, but what does it mean for us if the coins go to a certain player or players?

 

[Alisha]

yeah I imagine this game isn't gonna be as stingy with coins, like the money printers and scrooges from before. since there's a universal way to interact with your coin totals and purchase stuff, logically that means that most if not everybody will be able to participate in bidding in some fashion.

Like to elaborate, in Economy the coin totals ended up being more passive - there were effects that depended on your coin totals like night actions and certain abilities, but in general your coin total was never directly compared to someone else's coin total

as a natural consequence of the bidding market, we all are competition for each other because we are putting our coin totals to use anonymously.

 

[Alisha]

So here's a question: Where does everyone think the proceeds of the daily auction go?
I'm sure the natural assumption is that the house eats the coins or whatever, but what does it mean for us if the coins go to a certain player or players?

the RID killer probs

 

[Aqua]

So here's a question: Where does everyone think the proceeds of the daily auction go?
I'm sure the natural assumption is that the house eats the coins or whatever, but what does it mean for us if the coins go to a certain player or players?

possibly a 3rd party role or split between numerous townies.

the latter could justify the blind bidding as it could make mafia hesitant to over bid.

 

[Aqua]

the RID killer probs

wait what, how do you knwo there's an RID killer

 

[Alisha]

possibly a 3rd party role or split between numerous townies.

the latter could justify the blind bidding as it could make mafia hesitant to over bid.

Along that line I'm curious about a potential power role possibly existing to find out how many coins the winning bid on an item/auction had.

 

[Stranger from Myst Island]

wait what, how do you knwo there's an RID killer

I told you I knew what I was doing when I voted her!

 

[Alisha]

wait what, how do you knwo there's an RID killer

I don't!

but it makes sense to give auction coins to an RID killer to scale up the game depending on the powers town buys! (Or even give them to fuel a scum power or something)